Honda City vs Honda Jazz and CVT vs Manual Tranny

[maverickjazzy]

Good day mga tsikoteers! Ask ko lang po (isa akong noob) ano sa tingin niyo ang mas ok City 1.3 or Jazz 1.3? At sa tranny CVT or manual? Im planning to buy my first car (i prefer brand new) either this december or january next year, and I cant decide which to buy. My criteria are unit price, fuel economy, passenger comfort/cabin room, luggage room and safety. I've considered Toyota Vios before together with those two cars but scratched it off my list because of cramped cabin space. BTW, pag weekend po ang sakay is about 6 people (3 adults and 3 kids). Weekend is probably 90% highway driving and weekdays is purely city driving. At isa pa po, hindi rin ako expert driver, only have several months of irregular driving experience. Hope you can help me decide. My budget is up to 650 thousand only. Thanks.

[niky]

Jazz 1.3 CVT maybe... more flexible if you're carrying kids. The CVT isn't that quick, but it's exceptionally smooth and very convenient in traffic.

But price-wise, the 1.3 CVT City is the best value for money. It's got a very large trunk, too (at 500 liters), which is very useful for carrying a weekend's worth of groceries and luggage. Or you can go even cheaper and get the 1.3 MT.

Carrying six people in a car that small on the highway isn't that safe, though... you may want to consider an APV (but the fuel consumption is so-so) or an AUV.

[maverickjazzy]

Jazz 1.3 CVT maybe... more flexible if you're carrying kids. The CVT isn't that quick, but it's exceptionally smooth and very convenient in traffic.

But price-wise, the 1.3 CVT City is the best value for money. It's got a very large trunk, too (at 500 liters), which is very useful for carrying a weekend's worth of groceries and luggage. Or you can go even cheaper and get the 1.3 MT.

Carrying six people in a car that small on the highway isn't that safe, though... you may want to consider an APV (but the fuel consumption is so-so) or an AUV.

Sir niky salamat sa response. I've also considered an AUV also because my brother who owns a Crosswind XT also suggested that I get a Crosswind XT also. My issue with the Crosswind is the ride, mas matagtag compared to a sedan. at fuel consumption is only about 10Km/L city driving, as per my brother although diesel is cheaper. And I dont think it is within my budget of 650K, ano po pala price ng Crosswind XT (Bnew)?

Im leaning toward the city because of the unit price although mas ok external looks ng jazz, ang sagwa kasi ng itsura ng city lalo na yung rear parang alanganin.

[Mguy]

Same boat here. Jazz 1.3 CVT is my daily ride and during weekends, I carry 4 adults and 2 kids. Comfortable naman, maluwag at tipid sa gas.

Its fun to drive. I bought it for my wife who just started to drive and it is a good car to begin with.

Had the car for nearly 2 years na and I have no major issue whatsoever.

[maverickjazzy]

Same boat here. Jazz 1.3 CVT is my daily ride and during weekends, I carry 4 adults and 2 kids. Comfortable naman, maluwag at tipid sa gas.

Its fun to drive. I bought it for my wife who just started to drive and it is a good car to begin with.

Had the car for nearly 2 years na and I have no major issue whatsoever.

sir mguy salamat, tingin ko rin pag 3 adults at 3 kids yung sakay sa jazz or city will still be comfortable. anyway kung issue yung safety sa jazz or city, siguro naman its not much of a problem for me because im a slow driver, about 90KPH max at highway driving and 60KPH max at city driving. yun nga lang pag aksidente, minsan di maiwasan kahit maingat ka. thanks.

[Psylocke]

Are you sure you want a Honda? Click the two links below the lemon...

6 people in a city is a bad idea moreso with the jazz which has a narrower rear bench than the city. You probably should get an Avanza instead.

As for CVT versus MT, CVT is not as durable as MT.

[orly_andico]

Hyundai Matrix, 690k with a turbodiesel. It's just a small stretch..

Or the Kia Rio wagon, low-600k daw matic na yun. Or the Kio Rio sedan, 530k. The Kia has a longer wheelbase than the Vios so would probably have more interior space.

[niky]

Unfortunately, neither the Matrix or Rio have a third row, but I believe the Matrix has a bigger rear bench than any of the subcompacts.

[orly_andico]

*niky,

none of the OP's choices have a third row anyhow. it's going to be a tight fit for 6 people whatever happens. although i managed 6 people in the 626 before (the shocks got busted, hahaha).

i think the only vehicle in that price class which can take >5 people in better-than-subhuman comfort is the entry-level Avanza. if and when it becomes available, but i read that the first 1000-2000 units were pre-ordered by some large taxi companies.

perhaps the OP should look into a 01-03 CRV or something. that also is within budget. although I am acutely aware that it's very easy to get financing on a new car and well-nigh impossible to get financing on a used one, so buying a used car is actually harder unless you're rolling in cash.

[orly_andico]

*niky, pahabol, di ko nabasa entire post mo. ditto on the APV. it's a pretty good deal for the price. you do pay for the enhanced people-carrying capacity with the less-than-frugal fuel consumption and the acquired-taste looks..

[maverickjazzy]

*niky,

none of the OP's choices have a third row anyhow. it's going to be a tight fit for 6 people whatever happens. although i managed 6 people in the 626 before (the shocks got busted, hahaha).

i think the only vehicle in that price class which can take >5 people in better-than-subhuman comfort is the entry-level Avanza. if and when it becomes available, but i read that the first 1000-2000 units were pre-ordered by some large taxi companies.

perhaps the OP should look into a 01-03 CRV or something. that also is within budget. although I am acutely aware that it's very easy to get financing on a new car and well-nigh impossible to get financing on a used one, so buying a used car is actually harder unless you're rolling in cash.

sir orly i did not consider buying a used car because im hoping that the new car i will buy will last me a long time(10 years) because i dont intend to change it immediately. sorry po im saving for a house kaya for me mas wiser choice kung bago ng car ang bibilhin ko yung pangmatagalan. thanks.

[maverickjazzy]

Hyundai Matrix, 690k with a turbodiesel. It's just a small stretch..

Or the Kia Rio wagon, low-600k daw matic na yun. Or the Kio Rio sedan, 530k. The Kia has a longer wheelbase than the Vios so would probably have more interior space.

Sir orly Ok po ba ang quality at durability ng hyundai at kia? sorry po, pero medyo bias kasi ako against korean cars, di ko alam kung bakit. mas preferred ko lang talaga siguro ang japanese cars. anyway, maganda naman ang reputation ng hyundai starex. any other suggestion po or your reason/s for these recommendations? thanks.

[maverickjazzy]

Are you sure you want a Honda? Click the two links below the lemon...

6 people in a city is a bad idea moreso with the jazz which has a narrower rear bench than the city. You probably should get an Avanza instead.

As for CVT versus MT, CVT is not as durable as MT.

sir psylocke prevalent po ba talaga ang lemon cars sa honda? ang alam ko pa naman maganda ang quality ng honda like toyota. available na po ba ang avanza? may mga variant ba ito like innova and how much it costs per variant? thanks.

[Psylocke]

sir psylocke prevalent po ba talaga ang lemon cars sa honda? ang alam ko pa naman maganda ang quality ng honda like toyota. available na po ba ang avanza? may mga variant ba ito like innova and how much it costs per variant? thanks.

Prevalent? I'm not sure, but if you ever find yourself with one I'm sure Honda will give you more crap.

Here's a brand new Honda on the showroom:



Looks like a cake of silver crap clinging to the underside. They couldn't even get a simple coating right.

BTW if you're planning to keep it for 10 years don't get the CVT, I highly doubt if it'll last that long. Replacement will cost a leg or both.

[maverickjazzy]

sir psylocke saang dealer po ng honda yung car mo galing? lahat ba ng honda dealers di maganda ang aftersales service? yun po siguro ang cons ng cvt mahal ipagawa although sabi nila mas matipid. sa fuel consumption how much is the difference between CVT and manual tranny? thanks.

[CVT]

First, get the CVT version,- a different(surreal) driving experience.

Then between City and Jazz,- Jazz is way up there both in aesthetics and function.

But with 6 people riding during the weekends? Consider another vehicle (not car)....


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[masterjoe619]

Go for the Jazz 1.5 para mas malakas ang hatak.

Hindi naman siguro lahat ng honda "LEMON" nagkataon lang cguro kay master psylocke. Parang nung pumunta kani sa Panasonic dito sa Cainta (Fieldtrip namin 2001) 13% daw nang production may defects hindi raw napeperfect.

[Blackraven]

The auto option is best suited for this car.

The 7-speed CVT (and even the 5-speed GLC AT for USDM models) are better than the stick. Of course the stick is still good pero Honda seemed to have designed the car with auto tranny in mind.

This is why 7-speed CVT/5-speed GLC AT are better than the 5-speed stick overall.