Fuel Efficiency

[Zac_español]

I was never a fan of small displacement engines, as I find most 1.3L cars and even some 1.6L cars as sluggish, until I drove the Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost. The price might be on the expensive side for a sub-compact but it's one fun-to-drive hatchback. Call it, "the little engine that could".

it is turbocharged that's why it runs good even the fact that it has a smaller displacement. Question is how reliable a turbo is? how long it can last? what about the cost of maintaining it? This is same with Chevy Spin, dnt get it wrong I love that car, but if you (TS) are on a tight budget you have to consider these things prior on buying a turbocharged engine.

[GTi]

Sir, i owned a 1998 local spacegear... i was thinking of having the injector check baka nga dun may kailangan i-tune up.. I read from tsikot forum that mitsu adventure gets around 9-10km/l... so i assumed since our vehicles have the same engine w/ 4d56 (mine w/ turbo).. plus the additional bodyweight of my van... maybe (just maybe)... 5-6km/Li is already the correct FC for it.

I wonder if the inferior gas mileage as compared to the Starex is because of the lack of an intercooler... And then again, that is the kind of FC you'd expect from a 3.0L turbo diesel or higher. Not that I'm recommending you to do this but our Revo diesel had been getting consistent 7km/L city. After changing the head and valve cover gaskets, pumapalo na ng 9km/L. Has your FC always been like this?

So, willing ka magdowngrade sa maliit na kotse?

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[Zac_español]

I wonder if the inferior gas mileage as compared to the Starex is because of the lack of an intercooler... And then again, that is the kind of FC you'd expect from a 3.0L turbo diesel or higher. Not that I'm recommending you to do this but our Revo diesel had been getting consistent 7km/L city. After changing the head and valve cover gaskets, pumapalo na ng 9km/L. Has your FC always been like this?

So, willing ka magdowngrade sa maliit na kotse?

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Hey sir! my car is due for top overhaul. san ka ngpatop overhaul? thanks!

*TS try to change the spark plugs. yan kc ang basic checkpoint for any concern sa engine performance.

[GTi]

Hey sir! my car is due for top overhaul. san ka ngpatop overhaul? thanks!

*TS try to change the spark plugs. yan kc ang basic checkpoint for any concern sa engine performance.

Hi! Technically, hindi pa full top overhaul dahil walang ginawa sa valves. Nagpagawa ako sa A1 sa Del Monte Ave. corner D. Tuazon.

Since diesel ang Space Gear ni TS, walang spark plugs yun.

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[jaggerx3]

Sir, regardless po sa budget, Would you recommend the mirage over the vios e or yaris e?

Kung ako tatanungn mas prefer ko ang vios/yaris. Since mas malaking car sya mas comfortable to drive.
Na test drive ko na mirage pati yung G4. Okay naman pero mas comfortable to drive ang vios/yaris.

[jut703]

Labo. Best FC pero regardless of budget?


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[viper888]

Labo. Best FC pero regardless of budget?


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Prius na lang

[Dudee]

So, willing ka magdowngrade sa maliit na kotse?

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My van, i think is 2.5cc w/ 4d56 diesel engine (w/ turbo), pero wala po intercooler...

I will keep the van kasi I need it for family outings.. the car I'm scouting is for my personal usage.. I intend to keep it as long as possible (like my van)... thats why i tend to go for toyota....

[Dudee]

Labo. Best FC pero regardless of budget?

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yes... di po malabo.. as i have search over and over the webs of the car brands... the higher the cost of a car, the bigger the engine gets... that's why regardless the budget because most Fuel efficient car are below 1M...

I'm highly inclined to the new yaris... Honda Brio will be launching next month... its a 4 cyl engine w/ 1200cc... I do have to wait and see din para walang sisihan... Toyota and honda are the 2 brands i like.

[Walter]

yes... di po malabo.. as i have search over and over the webs of the car brands... the higher the cost of a car, the bigger the engine gets...

So what about the Honda CRZ?

[babybackrivs]

So what about the Honda CRZ?

Ang hybrid tech ng crz ay ginagamit pang boost ng performance, not really for efficiency. Consumption is around 10km/l

[Zac_español]

yes... di po malabo.. as i have search over and over the webs of the car brands... the higher the cost of a car, the bigger the engine gets... that's why regardless the budget because most Fuel efficient car are below 1M...

I'm highly inclined to the new yaris... Honda Brio will be launching next month... its a 4 cyl engine w/ 1200cc... I do have to wait and see din para walang sisihan... Toyota and honda are the 2 brands i like.

if budget is not an issue, get a ford fiesta, if it does get a mirage g4

[jut703]

yes... di po malabo.. as i have search over and over the webs of the car brands... the higher the cost of a car, the bigger the engine gets... that's why regardless the budget because most Fuel efficient car are below 1M...

I'm highly inclined to the new yaris... Honda Brio will be launching next month... its a 4 cyl engine w/ 1200cc... I do have to wait and see din para walang sisihan... Toyota and honda are the 2 brands i like.

Kaya malabo kasi if you're concerned about fuel costs then you should be concerned about purchase price as well.

Few cars can match the Mirage's FC. And even fewer can match its features for the price.

The Accent is much more efficient but also much more expensive, to the point that you will not be able to recoup the additional cost through fuel savings in a reasonable amount of time. The Wigo is cheaper but is also less efficient, and the GLX is able to recoup the additional cost vs the Wigo G from FC savings.

People buy cars for utility, space, power, driving fun, features, and image. But all of these come at a price and even if a car is fuel efficient you cannot recoup the price you pay for these characteristics vs a bare/bland but cheaper car.




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[dr. d]

If you consider only the purchase price and the km per peso of fuel, you can actually compute when the two models you are considering, will about break even.. after which one car will become cheaper to own and operate.. That is, if there is such thing as break even..
If you include maintenance costs it becomes a lot more complicated..
Computing will probably be more effective than eyeballing...

[jut703]

Marami kasi puro hearsay lang, puro tantsa lang.

Most cost-effective would probably to get a used Mirage, or an even older used Vios. Both are fuel efficient, cheap to maintain, and pretty cheap to buy as well.

But most will not go that route because they want a brand new car. They say it's less of a financial headache but if you try computing, hindi naman talaga. Main reason is pride and desire. Kunwari practical but its really just a want, di lang inaamin.


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[dr. d]

Marami kasi puro hearsay lang, puro tantsa lang.

Most cost-effective would probably to get a used Mirage, or an even older used Vios. Both are fuel efficient, cheap to maintain, and pretty cheap to buy as well.

But most will not go that route because they want a brand new car. They say it's less of a financial headache but if you try computing, hindi naman talaga. Main reason is pride and desire. Kunwari practical but its really just a want, di lang inaamin.


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If you are willing to make a few valid assumptions, it is really easy and even fun, to make those computations.
I did. That is why I am sticking to my 2003 gas guzzler, as coding car, instead of buying a new, more fuel efficient car..

[Dudee]

I actually like the new yaris...got my eye on that... how come the mirage w/ 3cyl engine is as powerful as vios?

I know a friend who has a ford fiesta S.. matakaw daw.. well i believe so considering the 1.6 engine... but the interior is nice.. but then... i like to stick to japanese car maker...,kinda old habit...

I went to see the accent crdi... malaki pala interior... but then, i'd pass the crdi.. i think this maybe just a fad..

[jut703]

Yun naman talaga yun, kung ano yung GUSTO.

Screw FC and screw everything else.

Get the Yaris and be happy with it.


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[leodawesome]

The new Yaris looks very nice IMO. FC, I bet same lang yan sa Vios.

[jut703]

I actually like the new yaris...got my eye on that... how come the mirage w/ 3cyl engine is as powerful as vios?

I know a friend who has a ford fiesta S.. matakaw daw.. well i believe so considering the 1.6 engine... but the interior is nice.. but then... i like to stick to japanese car maker...,kinda old habit...

I went to see the accent crdi... malaki pala interior... but then, i'd pass the crdi.. i think this maybe just a fad..

Discussing this is pretty moot since it looks like you like the Yaris over all other options, and that's okay.

But to answer the questions..the Mirage is a much more modern engine compared to the old Vios' engine that has been around since the 90s. A decade's worth of advancements surely helps both power and economy.

Take note though that the Yaris/Vios gives much more than 81 hp it has on paper. Very torquey and efficient despite its age.

The Fiesta is no longer a 1.6. The flagship Fiesta has a 1.0 turbo that's not only fast, but also efficient. Very pricey though at 900k. Not very spacious either.

The Accent CRDi is bigger than the Mirage but just about the same as the Yaris. The turbo diesel isn't a fad though - it's been around for several years and Hyundai has been very good at the diesel game. The 1.6 engine does 25 km/L easily on the highway, while giving the same performance as 2-liter gas-fed sedans/CUVs.




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