Most economical car for 400k

[b0y37]

Hi guys. Im currently using our 8 year old Mitsu Advie as my daily driver. Im logging in around 15k-20k km/year as this is my only car.

Im thinking of buying a second hand for personal use, and will delegate the AUV as a family vehicle.

Im looking for one that is:

1. Budget is around 400k.

2. Running cost is, at most, equal to my AUV. Im getting at least 10km/li with my Adventure. So a P2000 worth of diesel can get me around 500km. Assuming the gasoline price is almost always x1.2 with diesel, Im looking for a car that can deliver at least 12km/liter in the city. Though I know that PMS with diesels is every 5k km,as compared to 10k km for petrol engines.

3. Not an AUV (obviously)
4. Year model not older than 2010 (to minimize the risk of it being a flooded car)
5. May porma/performance-factor din kahit paano. (Im in my early 30s, driving the adventure makes me feel like 40-ish)
Got to drive my sister's Jazz, nabibilisan na ako, LOL.

TIA.

[1D4LV]

a) Suzuki Alto... Kaya lang, walang porma or performance factor.
b) Mitsu Mirage..... ok na ok.... dagdag lang ng onti sa budget.
c) Pwede mo ding i try yung Toyota Wigo.... dagdag lang ng onti sa budget.

if you are looking for a second hand car, probably a Hyundai Getz would fit your bill.
A second hand vios would also be good.

[Egan101]

Kung kaya sa 400k, Ford Focus TDCi. This can do 15 km/L and it's a diesel. It's also no slouch in terms of performance. The 2007-2008 models come in 6MT while 2009-2012 come in 6PS (dual-clutch AT).

[b0y37]

^The FF TDCI used to be my dream car. I remember, maganda yung review ni Sir Niky and GH dito, especially sa "indestructible" transmission nya (MT). However, medyo wary ako sa maintenance nya. Ano bang usual issues with the Manual TDCI? Kung wear and tear parts, ok lang. Pero kung may issues na maapektuhan yung performance nya (speed, fuel consumption, safety, etc), Id rather stay away from it.

[Battlestar]

How about 2009-2010 Toyota Vios 1.5G MT or AT sir? Your budget is perfectly suit on this car. Also, it can match your Advie fuel consumption up to 10Km/L on city driving. Yung maintenance baka pagtawanan mo lang sa sobrang mura. And best of all, it has widely support from forums like tsikot or other club.

[Mikemike07]

Vios, jazz or city. Pero allergic ako sa resale value ng mga yan. Lalo na sa jazz. Konti nalang brandnew na rin.

Since you dont wanna feel like 40 this time around, why not a slightly older civic fd 1.8? Fc would probably be around what youre getting or slightly better. Looks good din inside and out. I miss the digital speedo so bad. Haha.

Pero in your case, id get a brandnew vios J nalang. At around 630k srp, barya nalang yung monthly mo kung 400k ipangdodown mo. Sure ka pa na walang problema for at least 3 years. Pwede rin mirage/wigo, masmatipid and masmura pero i really prefer the vios over it. Ok yung hatak ng 1.3 MT vios. Pangit nga lang yung steering. Parang laruan when compared to my lancer. Wala kasing weight at all. Pero at least you can park using 1 finger.

[dr. d]

Hi guys. Im currently using our 8 year old Mitsu Advie as my daily driver. Im logging in around 15k-20k km/year as this is my only car.

Im thinking of buying a second hand for personal use, and will delegate the AUV as a family vehicle.

Im looking for one that is:

1. Budget is around 400k.

2. Running cost is, at most, equal to my AUV. Im getting at least 10km/li with my Adventure. So a P2000 worth of diesel can get me around 500km. Assuming the gasoline price is almost always x1.2 with diesel, Im looking for a car that can deliver at least 12km/liter in the city. Though I know that PMS with diesels is every 5k km,as compared to 10k km for petrol engines.

3. Not an AUV (obviously)
4. Year model not older than 2010 (to minimize the risk of it being a flooded car)
5. May porma/performance-factor din kahit paano. (Im in my early 30s, driving the adventure makes me feel like 40-ish)
Got to drive my sister's Jazz, nabibilisan na ako, LOL.

TIA.

seems to me, you're just bored with your advie, 'cause nothing ever goes wrong with it? heh heh.
be carefu sir, you might just get what you're asking for.. but not exactly what you had in mind..
enjoy!

[lowslowbenz]

I'd go no lower than a Vios.

[Brennt]

you could get a 2010 Hyundai Accent (Crdi) for 400K. Siguradong tipid sa crudo. Around 20 Km/L. Salpakan mo lang ng mas magandang rims nde na mukhang pang matanda.. :D

[b0y37]

Mukhang pinakasafe na nga na choice ang Vios/City. As for the Hyundai accent, its a good option too. Dagdag lang ng magandang rims, sleeper na ang dating. I assume hindi naman mahirap ang maintenance ng Diesel accent, since ginagawang taxi ito?

Hindi ko na option yung Civic FD. My officemate has one. Halos same kami ng route, but doble kami ng fuel expenses. And yes, driving the adventure is a practice of patience, hehe. Though, in all our years of ownership, wala itong naging problema.

[Battlestar]

Mukhang pinakasafe na nga na choice ang Vios/City. As for the Hyundai accent, its a good option too. Dagdag lang ng magandang rims, sleeper na ang dating. I assume hindi naman mahirap ang maintenance ng Diesel accent, since ginagawang taxi ito?

Hindi ko na option yung Civic FD. My officemate has one. Halos same kami ng route, but doble kami ng fuel expenses. And yes, driving the adventure is a practice of patience, hehe. Though, in all our years of ownership, wala itong naging problema.

Go ka na sa Vios 09-10' model bro. Look for SE version. This model is already equipped with a TRD rims and lip spoiler. My co-worker just bought a 2nd hand too just last month at the same price.

[silent_hunter]

Vios ka na lang.kahit 2nd hand 1st ge
n (robin) or

[silent_hunter]

Vios ka na lang.kahit 2nd hand na 1st gen(robin) or 2nd gen (batman). Hanap ka na lang well kept. Walang problema sa pyesa baka sa suking tindahan may mabili ka pa hehe

Puede din 2nd hand Hyundai accent crdi super tipid at mabilis! Pero dapat alaga sa turbo ang dating may ari.

[basti08]

I'd go with either Gen2 Vios G or Accent CRDi

things to look out for sa Vios
-AC compressor bearing, akala mo fan belt pa din umiingay pero AC bearing na. tapos papahigpit ka ng papahigpit ng belt kasi umiingay, lalo ma-loose thread bearing bigla na lang bibigay. Happened to some colleagues at VCP.
-squeaking fan belt, parang may sisiw sa engine bay mo. Pero belt dressing could cure this (as I do in my previous Vios) or replace with 'Bando' brand belts for just 850PHP.
-My only major repair of my previous gen is the Aux fan which mysteriously came loose at around 60000kms.
-VVT-i engine prone to engine sludge.

things to look out for sa Accent CRDi
-tensioner, plastic rotating parts where sa serpentine belt passes. the plastic part tends to be 'cooked' in heat
-stab link, tie-rod problems at around 80tkms
-turbo condition
-do not use 'partsmall' brand for brake replacements. Bendix are now available.
-Hyundai-Mobis parts are generally affordable.

Goodluck. YGPM reply also.

[b0y37]

I'd go with either Gen2 Vios G or Accent CRDi

things to look out for sa Vios
-AC compressor bearing, akala mo fan belt pa din umiingay pero AC bearing na. tapos papahigpit ka ng papahigpit ng belt kasi umiingay, lalo ma-loose thread bearing bigla na lang bibigay. Happened to some colleagues at VCP.
-squeaking fan belt, parang may sisiw sa engine bay mo. Pero belt dressing could cure this (as I do in my previous Vios) or replace with 'Bando' brand belts for just 850PHP.
-My only major repair of my previous gen is the Aux fan which mysteriously came loose at around 60000kms.
-VVT-i engine prone to engine sludge.

things to look out for sa Accent CRDi
-tensioner, plastic rotating parts where sa serpentine belt passes. the plastic part tends to be 'cooked' in heat
-stab link, tie-rod problems at around 80tkms
-turbo condition
-do not use 'partsmall' brand for brake replacements. Bendix are now available.
-Hyundai-Mobis parts are generally affordable.

Goodluck. YGPM reply also.

Thanks for the very detailed ownership experience sir basti.

[kimbon]

I'd go with either Gen2 Vios G or Accent CRDi
things to look out for sa Vios
-AC compressor bearing, akala mo fan belt pa din umiingay pero AC bearing na. tapos papahigpit ka ng papahigpit ng belt kasi umiingay, lalo ma-loose thread bearing bigla na lang bibigay. Happened to some colleagues at VCP.
-squeaking fan belt, parang may sisiw sa engine bay mo. Pero belt dressing could cure this (as I do in my previous Vios) or replace with 'Bando' brand belts for just 850PHP.
-My only major repair of my previous gen is the Aux fan which mysteriously came loose at around 60000kms.
-VVT-i engine prone to engine sludge.

yung isang car kong vios na experience ko din ganyan may squeaking sound parang may sisiw nga sa engine bay during under warranty pa * 30k sa odo. Nung napa 30k PMS sinabay ko ng ipana-ayos. sabi ng casa adjustment lang daw sa belt then okay na naman pero until recently * 40k odo na notice ko ulit may squeking sounds about 5 to 10 seconds lalo na pag gamit sa umaga. base sa assessment mo kaya A/C bearing or belt dressing or maybe both? May idea ka ba kung anong size ng bearing at yung bando brand na belt * 850 saan kaya meron nito sa Manila area? Bando brand ba ang okay na quality as I dont mind paying higher price basta tatagal lang ang gamit nito. Finally, ano pala ang pwedeng gawin para minimize lang ang engine sludge? TIA

[basti08]

yung isang car kong vios na experience ko din ganyan may squeaking sound parang may sisiw nga sa engine bay during under warranty pa * 30k sa odo. Nung napa 30k PMS sinabay ko ng ipana-ayos. sabi ng casa adjustment lang daw sa belt then okay na naman pero until recently * 40k odo na notice ko ulit may squeking sounds about 5 to 10 seconds lalo na pag gamit sa umaga. base sa assessment mo kaya A/C bearing or belt dressing or maybe both? May idea ka ba kung anong size ng bearing at yung bando brand na belt * 850 saan kaya meron nito sa Manila area? Bando brand ba ang okay na quality as I dont mind paying higher price basta tatagal lang ang gamit nito. Finally, ano pala ang pwedeng gawin para minimize lang ang engine sludge? TIA

Sa Toyorama ka na lang kumuha ng parts. Sa Banawe. Dun ako kumuha ng parts, kahit mga freelance nila mekaniko kabisado mga oto. Plus good quality engine parts or OEM lang ang carry nila.
Technically dapat sa mga unang experience mo ng squeaking belt sounds, dapat pag hinigpitan mawawala. Pero later on if your belt is still in good condition check on your AC bearing. Yung mga friends ko kasi nagpalit sila ng OEM Sanden compressor. Kasi too late na, bumigay na talaga. Di din kasi maganda higpit ng higpit ng belt. Pag sobrang higpit, ganun mangyayari.

[kimbon]

Sa Toyorama ka na lang kumuha ng parts. Sa Banawe. Dun ako kumuha ng parts, kahit mga freelance nila mekaniko kabisado mga oto. Plus good quality engine parts or OEM lang ang carry nila.
Technically dapat sa mga unang experience mo ng squeaking belt sounds, dapat pag hinigpitan mawawala. Pero later on if your belt is still in good condition check on your AC bearing. Yung mga friends ko kasi nagpalit sila ng OEM Sanden compressor. Kasi too late na, bumigay na talaga. Di din kasi maganda higpit ng higpit ng belt. Pag sobrang higpit, ganun mangyayari.

Okies I'm familiar naman sa Toyota's good quality parts like toyorama, celeste, gant, aerodynamics etc.. I think na bearing siguro ito coz kaka 40K PMS ko lang sa casa last month at ang sabi no wear & tear pa naman daw lahat ng belts. BTW saan pala pwede magpa change ng A/C bearing besides casa for my reference lang sana?

[basti08]

Okies I'm familiar naman sa Toyota's good quality parts like toyorama, celeste, gant, aerodynamics etc.. I think na bearing siguro ito coz kaka 40K PMS ko lang sa casa last month at ang sabi no wear & tear pa naman daw lahat ng belts. BTW saan pala pwede magpa change ng A/C bearing besides casa for my reference lang sana?

Sa Sanden mismo nagpa-gawa friend ko. Pero gusto nya kasi ipagawa sana sa casa kaso sa Sanden din sya ni-refer.

I dunno pero compressor na kasi ang needed palitan sa kanya. 2008 Vios 1.3E kanya. Bumigay at around 60Tkms naman na.

[number001]

Belt dressing does not address the root cause of the problem (ie. problem with bearing, pulley, tensioner, etc..) but rather simply cover it (squeaking noise) up.

Also most new vehicles now have an auto tensioner that prevents misjudgement as in the case of overtensioning the belt. For those without this feature, you will need to consult a shop manual that will show the amount of acceptable deflection or travel (of the belt).