Elantra 1.6 GL M/T vs Lancer 1.6 EX M/T

[renzo_d10]

Matipid naman yung FD sir, mixed driving nakaka-12km/L ako. Kapag highway mga 16

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[jing182]

Uy, pwede! cge magkapag hunting nga ng Civic FD

[niky]

The only things with similar economy to the Celerio with the safety you desire would be the Mirage (high NCAP score, ABS, airbags) and the Accent diesel (manual). The Accent is capable of 20-25 km/l, as is the Mirage. Both are safer than your Celerio.

[dr. d]

i'd be a pessimist if i say that a diesel innova will probably give you at least 13 km/liter.
that'd be about 381 kesos for fuel alone.. and since malaki ang katawan, mas protected ka na rin sa banggaan..
a base diesel innova J will be in the same price range as the sedans...

[b0y37]

Slightly OT..
May kakilala ako na taga Bulacan, tapos everday pumapasok sa Ortigas. Dinadala nya yung City nya hanggang Trinoma, dun na sya nagpapark. Tapos MRT na lang papuntang Ortigas. Baka pwedeng ganun na lang gawin mo sir? Ligtas ka pa sa traffic sa Edsa.

[GTi]

2nd hand Focus TDCi ayaw nyo sir? Pwede siguro 2011-2012 units. Open naman pala kayo sa 2nd hand eh. If so there are many options available even among SUVs.

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[TheMikProject]

Sa tingin ko lang po, sa mga bagong sasakyan, hindi naman po nasi laki ang sukatan ng safety niya sa crashes. Mas importante pa rin yung design ng crash structure.

Tingnan niyo po yung ASX, kaliit-liit pero isa siya sa dalawang CUV na pumasa ng small overlap crash test ng IIHS. Talo pa niya ang CR-V, Rav 4 na bago, Jeep Patriot, Kia Sportage, etc.

With that in mind, I think hindi ka magkakamali sa Lancer, Elantra or FD in terms of safety. Compared to bigger vehicles sold only in 3rd world countries and wasn't designed to meet international standards of safety, mas magaganda yung tatlong sedans dahil pumasa na iyan ng napakaraming crash tests.

[dr. d]

Sa tingin ko lang po, sa mga bagong sasakyan, hindi naman po nasi laki ang sukatan ng safety niya sa crashes. Mas importante pa rin yung design ng crash structure.

Tingnan niyo po yung ASX, kaliit-liit pero isa siya sa dalawang CUV na pumasa ng small overlap crash test ng IIHS. Talo pa niya ang CR-V, Rav 4 na bago, Jeep Patriot, Kia Sportage, etc.

With that in mind, I think hindi ka magkakamali sa Lancer, Elantra or FD in terms of safety. Compared to bigger vehicles sold only in 3rd world countries and wasn't designed to meet international standards of safety, mas magaganda yung tatlong sedans dahil pumasa na iyan ng napakaraming crash tests.

difficult to judge... like you said, these 3rd world vehicles haven't been crash-tested..
personally, if ever i'm (Heaven forbid!!) involved in a crash, i'd feel safer if i were driving a bigger vehicle.. wasn't there a study sometime in the past, that indicated that in a crash, people driving bigger vehicles tended to suffer less injury than those driving smaller vehicles...?

[TheMikProject]

difficult to judge... like you said, these 3rd world vehicles haven't been crash-tested..
personally, if ever i'm (Heaven forbid!!) involved in a crash, i'd feel safer if i were driving a bigger vehicle.. wasn't there a study sometime in the past, that indicated that in a crash, people driving bigger vehicles tended to suffer less injury than those driving smaller vehicles...?

True, bigger vehicles usually fair better in crashes (imagine a subcompact crashing into a truck) but a small car with a well designed safety system would fair better than a big car with a poorly designed system. (e.g. a small Volvo C30 vs a big, heavy PUV jeepney)

If you really want to know more about a car's safety record, I suggest looking at their safety features and browsing through the sites of various crash testing organizations. (IIHS, Euroncap, ANCAP- you'll see the ratings of a lot of familiar models sold in the country in the Australian NCAP and ASEAN NCAP)

Remember this: Mustang crashing into Adventure in Skyway - [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWa79lW1FcQ"]Mustang & Adventure Skyway Accident - YouTube[/ame]
The Adventure is a bigger vehicle than the Mustang, but the fatalities came from the Adventure.

[viper888]

True, bigger vehicles usually fair better in crashes (imagine a subcompact crashing into a truck) but a small car with a well designed safety system would fair better than a big car with a poorly designed system. (e.g. a small Volvo C30 vs a big, heavy PUV jeepney)

If you really want to know more about a car's safety record, I suggest looking at their safety features and browsing through the sites of various crash testing organizations. (IIHS, Euroncap, ANCAP- you'll see the ratings of a lot of familiar models sold in the country in the Australian NCAP and ASEAN NCAP)

Remember this: Mustang crashing into Adventure in Skyway - Mustang & Adventure Skyway Accident - YouTube
The Adventure is a bigger vehicle than the Mustang, but the fatalities came from the Adventure.

the adventure is not the bigger car
It only weighs 3100 pounds
the mustang on the other hand is a porky 3700 pounds

The big car doesnt always win

[jing182]

kakatingin ko lang po ng mga 2nd hand na Focus TDCi, ang taas pa pala ng value hay sayang, sabagay diesel kasi eh tapos ang lakas pa ng makina, pag 2nd po kasi nasa 400-450k lang ang budget ko kasi usually hangang 3 yrs lang pwede i loan ang mga 2nd hand cars not to mention mas malaki ang downpayment (30%)

sa Mirage at Accent, ayaw na pumayag ni misis, maliit daw, ayaw nya daw ma compromise ang safety, kaya compact sedan lang talaga ang bagsak ko, yun Innova pwede din kaso parang masyadong malaki, ako lang naman kasi madalas ang laman, pero tama din naman ang sinasabi nyo sir dr d. mas safe nga naman Innova kaysa compact sedan, pag isapan ko din po ito, pero for now I'm leaning towards compact sedans. Yun ASX gusto ko din yan kaso mahal eh kahit 2nd hand, tapos halos wala pang nabebenta kasi nga very satisfied sila sa ASX nila. Hays! sana kasi i launch na ng Ford yun EcoSport dito sa Pinas malamang papatusin ko kaagad yun heheheh....

[niky]

kakatingin ko lang po ng mga 2nd hand na Focus TDCi, ang taas pa pala ng value hay sayang, sabagay diesel kasi eh tapos ang lakas pa ng makina, pag 2nd po kasi nasa 400-450k lang ang budget ko kasi usually hangang 3 yrs lang pwede i loan ang mga 2nd hand cars not to mention mas malaki ang downpayment (30%)

sa Mirage at Accent, ayaw na pumayag ni misis, maliit daw, ayaw nya daw ma compromise ang safety, kaya compact sedan lang talaga ang bagsak ko, yun Innova pwede din kaso parang masyadong malaki, ako lang naman kasi madalas ang laman, pero tama din naman ang sinasabi nyo sir dr d. mas safe nga naman Innova kaysa compact sedan, pag isapan ko din po ito, pero for now I'm leaning towards compact sedans. Yun ASX gusto ko din yan kaso mahal eh kahit 2nd hand, tapos halos wala pang nabebenta kasi nga very satisfied sila sa ASX nila. Hays! sana kasi i launch na ng Ford yun EcoSport dito sa Pinas malamang papatusin ko kaagad yun heheheh....

Just tell the missus this:

The Mirage has five star safety. Granted, our local Mirage doesn't have stability control, but it's still a five star car. The Innova has no crash-testing data... at all. It's a third-world vehicle, that, based on the Hilux crash test results, would be three stars at best.

Then she says... but the Innova is bigger!

Show her this:

Fifth Gear - Renault Modus v Volvo 940 Crash Test - YouTube

That Volvo is potentially a two or three star car. It's bigger, heavier and has more frontal crush space than the Renault. But you'd be deader in a head-on collision.

That's what crash safety means. No matter how big or how small the car, the stars mean the same thing. Many big pick-ups and AUVs are rated a lowly three stars or less on modern crash tests... and some, like the ancient Adventure and Crosswind, aren't rated at all.

[mojojojo]

What about the Altis, hindi mo ba ito I-consider as one of your options?

[jut703]

Lots of blokes still stuck with the "bigger is always better (or in this case, safer)" mentality.

[GTi]

The Innova is actually a prudent choice. Its actually similar in length and width to a typical compact sedan. You get extended seating capacity, D4D engine gives decent performance and excellent gas mileage. You also get sturdy underpinnings and surprisingly high flood wading capability.

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[jing182]

Na consider ko na din po ang altis, kaso masyadong bare yun altis E eto kasi ang ka presyo ng dalawa, pero spec wise ang katapat nun elantra at lancer eh yun altis G, kaso malaki na ang price gap

[Mschumacher]

Given your criteria: Accent ang hands down winner
1.)Pasok sa budget.
2.)Pinakamatipid sa lahat ng choices mo. kung 500 petot sa elantra or lancer malamang dito lets say 20kpl na lang 240 petot lang ang gas price mo. what more kung 25 kpl ka pa nasa 200 ka na lang. layo na kaagad ng difference sa savings. yun matitipid mo pwede mo igastos sa accessories.
3.)more power and fun to drive. (Biased ako sa crdi, sarap ng power kasi. owner of a 2010 tucson and 2008 carens).
4.)safe din naman ang accent.

Pag gas engine ang kinuha mo at naipit ka sa traffic tignan mo kung gaano kabilis umangat ang fc mo.

[jing182]

Sir Mschumacher, kamusta po ang pms cost ng accent hatch crdi? Kaya lang naman po ako nag hehesistate sa accent kasi sa biyahe ko araw araw mabilis ko po sya well errr malalaspag, mostly po kasi sa diesel engines eh lumalabas ang sakit pag nagpile up na ang milage, at lahat ng natipid ko sa gas eh mapupunta sa pag papagawa, di tulad ng mga gasoline engine, ang dami ko pong kakilala na 120k na ang odo reading eh maganda pa din po ang takbo ng engines nila.

[Mschumacher]

Sir Mschumacher, kamusta po ang pms cost ng accent hatch crdi? Kaya lang naman po ako nag hehesistate sa accent kasi sa biyahe ko araw araw mabilis ko po sya well errr malalaspag, mostly po kasi sa diesel engines eh lumalabas ang sakit pag nagpile up na ang milage, at lahat ng natipid ko sa gas eh mapupunta sa pag papagawa, di tulad ng mga gasoline engine, ang dami ko pong kakilala na 120k na ang odo reading eh maganda pa din po ang takbo ng engines nila.

Regarding pms cost ng accent no idea at all. sa carens ko at tucson inilabas ko na ng casa mejo kasi hindi ko feel sa casa pagawa. Mejo mataas kasi sila maningil. Laki ng difference sa savings pag sa labas mo binili ang parts and pa labor mo na lang. just like sa tucson ko for the 20k pms sa casa sinisingil ako ng 16k total kaya ginawa ko bili na lang ako ng mga parts sa labas total cost is 6k lang kasama na langis duon which is nasa 4500.00 1500 lang inabot talaga ng parts. If you know where to buy hyundai parts magiging happy ka sa maintenance mo.

[turnpike]

TS, nakapili ka na po ba? ganyan din kasi pinagpipilian ko ngayon, the same din nangyayari sa akin ngayon, mid shift, almost 84km a day, ayaw din mag apartment/condo kasi maiiwan ang family, tama ka, mahirap hindi kasama anak, di ka kilala. ininclude ko na din sa choices ko yung jazz 1.3 mt at accent hatch 1.6 crdi. talagang panalo yung accent hatch, kaso nga lang ang pila, talaga naman hintayan.

as for safety, medyo nag lean ako to lancer, kung ikukumpara mo kasi, naka dual airbag na ang lancer, driver side lang sa elantra.
FC naman daw is almost the same, depende na talaga sa driving mo.

tanong ko lang po dito, magkano po ba magiging pms mo everytime for the 4 cars, kasi para sa akin, nagiging jazz vs lancer na eh. what do you guys think? feeling ko lang din kasi, kung mag honda jazz ka or hyundai accent hatch, both mataas ang pms.