HELP!!! 2006 Civic 1.8S/V or 2006 Altis 1.6G

[hunkymarc]

Help!
Hello everyone,

I'm new here, and I'll be purchasing a new car next month or probably before school starts in June (I drive an old 98 Accord). The only problem is I can't decide between a Civic 1.8S/V or Altis 1.8G. Sure sa looks the Civic comes with more pogi points, pero when it comes to luxury and safety parang mas lamang ang Altis. I like a car na sporty and labas pero luxury ang interior. I checked out the new Civic and according to the sales rep wala pa palang airbag yung 1.8V (even the vios j has one), and the 1.8 litter models are not even equiped with auto climate control and ABS. What the??? 2007 na!. Ang impression ko as of now the Civic is just nice to look at (pogi talaga) pero when it comes to safety (abs, sensors, disc brakes), luxury (wood, full leather) and gadgets (steering wheel audio control, folding side mirrors etc), parang lamang ang Altis. Parang tinipid ang Civic, cute lang tingnan. Ang downfall lang ng altis is mas luma siya. I'm really having a hard time choosing between the two.My dad is paying for the car, mas gusto niya na mag 2nd hand skyroof trooper nalang ako (practical daw). Baka tumanda akong binata pag Trooper dala ko (I'm 19 yrs old, bagay ba Trooper???).

Anyway, hope to hear from you guys.


cheers!

[Picard]

iho, talaga bang type mo itong mga "dad's cars"? Most students prefer compact cars like the Vios or Jazz or even compact SUV's like the RAV4's or CRV's.. but if you're really leaning towards these vehicles, why don't you test drive both vehicles. That's the best way to find out what you will really like.

Moreover, if you're concerned about the Altis being old (which is quite true) why don't you just wait for the new corolla. I'm guessing it will be launched Q3 of this year. I'm sure by this time Honda will also launch the "tweaked" 2007 Civic.

[Horsepower]

Try taking a look at Hyundai Tucson CRDi.

[glntVR]

iho, talaga bang type mo itong mga "dad's cars"? Most students prefer compact cars like the Vios or Jazz or even compact SUV's like the RAV4's or CRV's.. but if you're really leaning towards these vehicles, why don't you test drive both vehicles. That's the best way to find out what you will really like.

Moreover, if you're concerned about the Altis being old (which is quite true) why don't you just wait for the new corolla. I'm guessing it will be launched Q3 of this year. I'm sure by this time Honda will also launch the "tweaked" 2007 Civic.

I don't think na the Civic would fall under "dad's cars" yun corolla mas pwede pa. For me kasi Dad's cars yun mga Accord, Camry na. Compact cars pa din for me mga Civic. Punta ka lang sa campus ng DLSU or other schools, dame sobra naka Civic (old and yun new), Corolla Altis and others. hehehe

Wala ba sa Choices mo ang Focus or Mazda 3?

[pup2]

I think you should explain your priorities before people can make educated suggestions because those 2 cars and companies have a lot of similarities.

[an0nim0us]

are these cars even in the same price range? alam ko po yung civic nasa high 700s to 800s, the Altis G is over 950 na.

If you dont want to consider other cars (focus, Mazda 3), go for the Civic, it's new and a lot cheaper than the Altis G. Pang-blow-out mo na lang yung savings sa mga taga Tsikot.

I suspect that your preference is more on the traditional/classical interior design that's why you considered the Altis G ? tama po ba? In that case, the Focus is also a good candidate, it is quiet and an excellent cruiser, much like the Altis. I dont own a CIVIC FD but, my sister does, have driven this car and on the highway, it is not as hush as the Focus nor the Altis.

I cant say the Civic is really fast, maybe up to 100kph it is, but after that, it's slow - this is not a generalization FD owners, just my observation. But the Civic 1.8 is frugal, our trip to the provice averaged 14kpl!

Test drive is still the best way to help you decide on which car to buy.

[Bry]

Pwede ang Trooper pang-bata, if you know what you're doing. I've seen a lot of fixed up Troopers that really caught my eye. Nasasayo na lang kung marunong ka mag-ayos ng kotse.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/356390/9 (not mine, example lang)



BTTT: I'd pick the Civic over the Altis. But do consider the Mazda 3 and the Focus.

[stormrider]

hunkymarc,

It looks like medyo scattered ang mga preferences mo. Before I can give you some advice, please indicate how much your budget is and choice of transmission.

[niky]

*hunkymarc:

The Civic 1.8V has no airbags or ABS.

But the Civic 1.8S has dual airbags, ABS and EBD. The only thing it doesn't have compared to the Toyota 1.8G is the auto-climate control, CD-Changer (which you can buy afterwards... or just buy an iPod with the money you have left-over...) and parking sensors (which you don't always need in cars this small).... and it's over 100,000 pesos cheaper than the Toyota 1.8.

Fuel economy should be similar, as well as performance with the automatic transmission. The Honda motor feels more powerful, but the long gearing of the automatic kind of negates that. If you go for the manual transmission Civic, you save another 30-40k pesos (hey, that's a big difference if you're calculating interest for installments) and it'll save you even more over the years in gas bills.

The 1.8 MT may not feel as quick or steer as well as an SiR or RS, but it's entertainingly fast, nonetheless, and it is pleasant to drive if all you're doing is commuting. Very practical car, and somewhat fun in traffic, to boot.

Trooper Skyroof? Depends on what engine. If you really don't want your dad to force you to use the Trooper, look up Paul Chua's thread here:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33403
...regarding the well-known and irritating defects of the 4JX1 engine.

If worst comes to worst, show it to your Dad, and he'll probably change his mind... ...while some complaints posted in tsikot are for a small number of units, the 4JX1 problem is relatively widespread and caused a recall of that model in other countries. If anything, at least get a Trooper with the earlier 4JG2 engine.

Like others have said, look around at the other cars in your range, and decide what's important for you. There are some pretty nice choices for "College Cars" out there besides the two you've mentioned. Heck, even a Vios 1.5S will do, and will serve you well until you've graduated and have the moolah for an even better car.

[reaganyun]

go for the SUV. its big and up size, as a teen you can do all the stuff you want to do there without the need of going in to other place

[oldblue]

mag toyota yaris ka na lang

[radiskull0415]

i also have the same dilemna pero cross out ko na civic kasi parang mahal tpos wala nman masyado accessories..

ok ba ung altis S? ano mas ok? G or S?

[orly_andico]

*hunkymarc:

The Civic 1.8V has no airbags or ABS.

But the Civic 1.8S has dual airbags, ABS and EBD. The only thing it doesn't have compared to the Toyota 1.8G is the auto-climate control, CD-Changer (which you can buy afterwards... or just buy an iPod with the money you have left-over...) and parking sensors (which you don't always need in cars this small).... and it's over 100,000 pesos cheaper than the Toyota 1.8.

Ford Focus 2.0 hatchback

The car that Marcus Gronholm won this year's WRC in. and which won Ford the manufacturer's championship.

Actually a spiffed-up extremely modded version.

Sure it's 1.025M but you get an electric seat, electric tilt and slide moonroof, hatchback functionality (carry lots of cargo!) electric folding mirrors, etc. Plus Ford is giving quite a number of discounts and freebies.

The same could be said for the Mazda3 2.0R, 1.049M but they're giving a 100K discount and various other goodies. You get HID's with levelizers (so it's legal even in the US), the electric moonroof, etc. Also with lots of goodies.

Going lower, the Mazda3 1.6V has everything the Civic 1.8V has (except the nice engine...) and it has digital climate control. At 889K less 100K discount.

[Horsepower]

For near 1M prices, i think you're better of with compact utility vehicles like Hyundai Tucson.

[ecport]

Went to Honda Pasig and looked at the Civic 1.8S. Cabin has lots of leg room.
The rep quoted PHP 40K for leather seats. A catalytic converter daw is part of the exhaust system. Fuel consumption daw is 9-11 Kms/liter. Original fog lamps sets you back an additional PHP 14K. The boot looked small though. Am not sure if the Altis 1.8G has fog lamps built-in with its PHP 990K price tag. Price wise including leather seats and fog lamps, the Civic 1.8S still comes out cheaper than the Altis 1.8G by more than 50K. This does not include the additional PHP 10K discount.
Overall, mukhang better deal ang Civic. Honda Pasig even has a 24hour check in facility for service.

The 2007 CR-V looked really nice but with a 2-3 month waiting time for the A/T variant.

[hunkymarc]

Wow, supportive yung thread na to, thanks for your comments and suggestion. Thanks guys for spending your time to help me out. I really appreciate it.


are these cars even in the same price range? alam ko po yung civic nasa high 700s to 800s, the Altis G is over 950 na.

– yung Altis na 1.8G malaki discount at least 50k or more, dami pa freebies.


But the Civic 1.8S has dual airbags, ABS and EBD. The only thing it doesn't have compared to the Toyota 1.8G is the auto-climate control, CD-Changer (which you can buy afterwards... or just buy an iPod with the money you have left-over...) and parking sensors (which you don't always need in cars this small).... and it's over 100,000 pesos cheaper than the Toyota 1.8.

– Thanks, sobrang helpful eto. Yung site ng Honda Philippines, wala pang specs ng Civic.The sales agent in Honda never told me that those stuff where equipped sa 1.8S.wala ring display ng unit. Mukang bagong ahente lang.

As for the subcompact cars ( Vios, City, Jazz), hindi ko sila ganoon ka type. Mukang spaceship sa starwars yung Honda City, pakpak nalang kulang. Ang maganda lang sa City, it’s really roomy for a subcompact car. Yung Vios naman masikip (my friend drives a Vios 1.5G). Walang headroom (I’m 5’11),legroom yung backrow seat, pero matulin talaga para sa 1.5 (I drive an old 98 2.0 accord).

Anyway, I just need help with the decision making. Kasi most likely, mga 5 years ko eto magiging auto.

Exterior, boyishlook. sa interior, I guess I prefer a daddyish look(luxury).
cheers

[Picard]

I suggest you wait a little bit more. the 2007's are just around the corner. Wait for the launch, schedule a test drive, then decide. Kung pangmatagalan ang hanap mo, I would be leaning more sa Toyota.

[squala]

If you can wait a bit longer, I suggest you wait for the all-new Altis. The current model is getting old, and I still can't get over with its relatively tall body. I've driven one like this and it felt solid. Ride is on the firm side but composed, unlike the previous Civic that's bouncy and unsettled.

I haven't tested the new Civic, but sitting on it, it's like driving a spaceship, with its digital speedometer. The dash is also very long, and I think its biggest flaw is the insanely drooping hood. You can never see the nose from the driver's seat, even if you stoop forward. Such design could possibly be an aerodynamic issue or a pedestrian safety concern, but it will take forever for you to do bumper-to-bumper with this thing.

Overall, I still might go for the Civic because it's certainly a more fun ride, but like I said, it's worth it to wait for the new Altis. At least you can have a better comparison and decide more properly, since your choices are one generation apart.

[stormrider]

hunkymarc,

It seems that you're more predisposed to compact cars, so let's limit the choices to those. You seem to have pegged the Altis 1.8G as your benchmark. The current model is in its final year, so at 990,000, it can't get any better than that. If you will nitpick what the Civic 1.8S lacks (in comparison), considering its price difference, then it seems you've already indicated your preference for the Toyota. Go get it.

Here's the list of the prices (with ABS/EBD only):

Honda Civic - my reco
1.8S - 834,000 (5M/T), 864,000 (5A/T)
2.0S - 932,000 (5M/T), 1,112,000 (5A/T)

Toyota Altis
1.6S - 780,000 (5M/T), 816,000 (4A/T)
1.6G - 854,000 (4A/T)
1.8G - 990,000 (4A/T)

[stormrider]

Here are the specs of the Civic
http://www.hondakal.com/civic_tech_specs.htm