continously variable transmimssion (CVT) versus manual or automatic thread

[vmaldia]

your thoughts? Opted to buy a mobilio CVT versus the manual

Sorry for the typo, "continuously"

[oj88]

The Mobilio hasn't been on the market too long to have enough credible feedback on its CVT reliability. Previous CVT generations have been problematic, but that may have stemmed from the fact that when they came out locally, the wrong fluid was was being used. It's only the past 8-10 years that Honda came out with a proper CVT fluid. Not 100% sure on this though.

But for one, CVT offers the best fuel economy, rivaling M/T. In other words, it's the best of both worlds; Convenience of an A/T with the fuel economy and efficiency of an M/T.

[StockEngine]

The Mobilio hasn't been on the market too long to have enough credible feedback on its CVT reliability. Previous CVT generations have been problematic, but that may have stemmed from the fact that when they came out locally, the wrong fluid was was being used. It's only the past 8-10 years that Honda came out with a proper CVT fluid. Not 100% sure on this though.

But for one, CVT offers the best fuel economy, rivaling M/T. In other words, it's the best of both worlds; Convenience of an A/T with the fuel economy and efficiency of an M/T.

earth dreams cvt has been in the market for over 4 years. Its on the honda city, jazz, mobilio, hr-v and br-v. Crv and civic and accords have the midspec cvts. If my numbers are right, over 5m hondas have these earth dreams cvt.

There was a minor tcm update months ago but i think that was fixed eventually.

[oj88]

earth dreams cvt has been in the market for over 4 years. Its on the honda city, jazz, mobilio, hr-v and br-v. Crv and civic and accords have the midspec cvts. If my numbers are right, over 5m hondas have these earth dreams cvt.

There was a minor tcm update months ago but i think that was fixed eventually.

I stand corrected.

It seems that the newer CVTs from Honda are a significant improvement over the old one.



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[urbanmetal]

For me it all depends on what accessories would I need. I would prefer MT as it's more reliable theoretically. Not sure if the CVT can withstand the full load of this car (7 seats) without sustaining much wear & tear, and it being based on the Brio platform.

[StockEngine]

. Not sure if the CVT can withstand the full load of this car (7 seats) without sustaining much wear & tear, and it being based on the Brio platform.

So you think honda didnt test these mobilios before selling into international markets?

[urbanmetal]

So you think honda didnt test these mobilios before selling into international markets?

They did, but no offense, even volkswagen, mercedes benz has reliability issues as according to reviews overseas.

[StockEngine]

The same 1.5L engine and cvt are being used on the br-v, its bigger and can seat 7 too.

If you can give us instances of mobilio/br-v failures then maybe its worth looking into.

[urbanmetal]

The same 1.5L engine and cvt are being used on the br-v, its bigger and can seat 7 too.

If you can give us instances of mobilio/br-v failures then maybe its worth looking into.

Sorry bro, just speculating based on written specs

[jettp0gi]

For me it all depends on what accessories would I need. I would prefer MT as it's more reliable theoretically. Not sure if the CVT can withstand the full load of this car (7 seats) without sustaining much wear & tear, and it being based on the Brio platform.

You should be more concerned on whether the 1.5L engine can provide enough torque when the car is at full load, not the reliability of the transmission at full load. All engines can only generate a certain maximum torque, and all transmissions can only withstand a certain amount of torque. It just happened that a CVT has a lower torque limit than the fixed gear counterparts. But if they chose a CVT to pair with the 1.5L, it means that it should be able to withstand the maximum torque that engine can provide. And if they chose that 1.5L to power a 7-seater, then it means that it should be able to. In other words, hindi nila isasalpak yang 1.5L - CVT combo na yan kung hindi kakayanin ang maximum load. That's just plain stupid, and harmful to the company's reputation should it fail.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Never mind.

[dct]

Yung mga china cars nga 1.2 ang makina e. Tapos commercial use pa ang advertisement nila. May 11 seater pa

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[sirkosero]

Yung tricycle sa probinsya, 125cc lang pero 11 sakay hehe.

Sorry OT :D

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[jut703]

Kaysa puro theory, try niyo itest drive ng fully loaded at magtanong sa ibang mga owners ng real-life experience on load capability and transmission reliability. [emoji4]


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[MR_BIG18]

Kaysa puro theory, try niyo itest drive ng fully loaded at magtanong sa ibang mga owners ng real-life experience on load capability and transmission reliability. [emoji4]


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i did 120kph last night, 4 adults including myself with no problems

[jut703]

i did 120kph last night, 4 adults including myself with no problems

Brother this thread is regarding the Mobilio CVT vs MT, not just CVTs in general. No doubt your FXT has no problem with 4 people on board at 120, even 200 kph. In my opinion, Subaru makes the best CVTs among ordinary cars. But alas, it's Honda's EarthDreams CVT that's facing the jury.


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[MR_BIG18]

Brother this thread is regarding the Mobilio CVT vs MT, not just CVTs in general. No doubt your FXT has no problem with 4 people on board at 120, even 200 kph. In my opinion, Subaru makes the best CVTs among ordinary cars. But alas, it's Honda's EarthDreams CVT that's facing the jury.


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Sorry kuya..

[niky]

Honda's issues in the past with CVT failures was partly due to improper fluid specification and partly due to the dry clutches used with the lightweight CVTs.

The new Mobilio and Jazz/City CVTs use a traditional torque converter. And while torque converter lock-up clutches can also wear out, having a fluid-filled converter to match transmission and engine speeds before those clutches lock extends their life tremendously.

We really don't know if the steel CVT belts themselves will last, but at the very least, the clutches should last as long as the ones in traditional automatic transmissions. (Yes, you can wear down the clutches on a "regular" automatic, too, if you drive like an idjit).