Subic van Hiace Super custom 3.0 or Mistubishi Spacegear exceed

[btagboi123]

I'm choosing between this 2 pass. vans just want to know ur opinions in terms of parts,servicing and reliability.tnx in advance.

[carlocaraddict]

as usual, i would advise you to stay away from these converted vans for safety reasons.

[niky]

Same here.

[alwayz_yummy]

ako, kung may TLC ka,willing to learn, this van are of a good choice...

ganito, ung supercustom ang 3.0 (1-kz) engine, available in either full-time awd or 2wd.all creature comforts except: cold/hot box w/ic maker, water boiler, digital guages and plushier seating. engine, much mahal and rarer kasi makina na ng prado ya, e bibihira pero maganda nyan is EFI..and the power is good..pero kung may makukuha kang 3L(2.8L) masmadali piyesa mo sa makina, pero di siya kasing lakas ng 3.0L tsaka, older model ang mga may 2.8L, with 2wd or part-time 4wd available.may 2-sunroof or higher 3-sunroof...some are with very high roof, commonly available in 1-side silding door, pero noong last auction sa malinta, may super custom 3.0 na 4wd na 2 sides ang sliding doors..dont know kung optional din ung TEMS....

delica spacegear 4wd exceed: 2.8L na 4m40..a reliable engine ung 2wd na spacegear 4d56 turbo-intercooler...all creature comforts pero some units dont have crystalite roof, 2nd row captain chairs, curtains and cold/hot box... pero malamang wala talaga is ung auto-climate control, ECS(elecronic-controlled suspension), head-light washer.

ang advantage ng spacegear is its walk through configuration, and its 4wd system is of the pajero! in short, its a pajero in a van suit! in flat roof, with/without sunroof, and high roof/crystalite roof...its truely an MPV (van, off-roader, limo, personal ride,etc..)

both seats 7 comfortably, but you can make sik-sik up to 12-15 siguro....nissan i could recommend, pero mahirap talaga piyesa nyan...

honetly, i owned a delica exceed w/sunroof which i sold last october....ang gusto ko sana either a 3.0L awd hi-ace supercustom-limited or a spacegear 4wd superexceed or the much limited and longer ROYAL EXCEED...pero budget constraints so i replaced it with a liteace fxv (top-of-the-line)

[oldblue]

wag ka lang kukuha ng delica exceed, madalas mapara ito sa mga checkpoint, favorite car ata ng Magdalo group ito

[alwayz_yummy]

kasi retaire na ung lumang "kidnapper" version na L3 (1989-present).. :bwahaha: e eto, 4wd pa!

ok naman wag mo lang i-full tint ng 1-way/super/medium balck....3-m magic pwede na..

[al_motor]

it's rare and expensive but those hi-ace supercustom with superhigh roofs and dual-sliding doors are well worth it nice engine + amenities = one really good ride, for as long as the steering conversion is properly done! if i only had the time to wait it out i wouldn't have settled for my odyssey.

OT: are EFI turbodiesels actually gen1 CRDi's?

[alwayz_yummy]

di pa ata....its just the fuel delivery, instead of using the traditional mechanical fuel injector, this are equipped with an electric pump...

CRDi's are of different level, revamped fuel injection system, instead of 4 fuel lines from the injector(1/ cylinder), the fuel travels on 1 line then splits to individual cylinders...much higher pressure and mas vaporized ung fuel, na directly injected sa cylinder, di na siya iikot pa muna bago makadating sa cylinder...

nga pala, ang isa pang prob sa HI-ACE is its chuck full of electronics (EFI,TEMS,ECT,etc..), na konting sira lang,o sia lang isang sensor, akala mo o ng common mechaniko ay napakalaki na..(experience ko sa liteace ko!)

ung delica kasi more on mechanical technology...old, but reliable and easier to maintain by you and your common neighborhood mekaniko...

[aceshark]

tol kung may extra budget pa, local van na lang... may kakilala ako bumili ng delica, ang kinis at ang ganda... dinala sa trece martirez, cavite from meyc, bulacan... over heat. pina-gawa dun, pag-uwi, over heat ulet sa roxas blvd. delicaDO pala. ewan ko rin, siguro depende sa makuha mo. pero halos lahat ng nakita kong nasa shoulder ng SLEX at NLEX ay mga cars from subic. tumutulo ilalim. :D

[alwayz_yummy]

sa swerte at maintenance lang mga yun....kasi they're 10 years old na and most of these are na-stock sa dealer/auction yards.....even local sa atin pag di maingat or what we call people who "drive and drive until it dies", mga taong naalala lang ang maintenance kung di na tumakbo ang sasakyan....talagang masisira kahit anu mang bagay, di ba?

well, its up to you in the end....pero a well maintained JDM will and alwayz out pace any well maintained local...sa kaha palang di ka na talo!

[oldblue]

tol kung may extra budget pa, local van na lang... may kakilala ako bumili ng delica, ang kinis at ang ganda... dinala sa trece martirez, cavite from meyc, bulacan... over heat. pina-gawa dun, pag-uwi, over heat ulet sa roxas blvd. delicaDO pala. ewan ko rin, siguro depende sa makuha mo. pero halos lahat ng nakita kong nasa shoulder ng SLEX at NLEX ay mga cars from subic. tumutulo ilalim. :D

napansin ko din yan.

[spearhead_970]

hirap niyan,,delicado nga yan pag naka tiyempo ka ng mga car na ititirik ka sa daan or mawalan ka ng control lalo na sa mga converted ang steering.

[aceshark]

i have nothing against subic cars... baka mamis-interpret. pinost ko is mere observation lang. parang second hand local car din siguro ang pagbili ng subic. kapag swerte, swerte... kung minalas, lugi. :D

[alwayz_yummy]

i have nothing against subic cars... baka mamis-interpret. pinost ko is mere observation lang. parang second hand local car din siguro ang pagbili ng subic. kapag swerte, swerte... kung minalas, lugi. :D

TAMA!

the issue its not whether the car is converted or not, local or imported...ang gamit/used na, kailan man, at di pwedeng magiging bago...

so kahit anong bagay, basta gamit, a thing, may wear and tear yan...

isipin nalang palagi ung na di lahat ng bago at locally purchase ay maganda...hay, dami dito sa tsikot.com na lemon stories, noh.....

[niky]

But lemons have warranties. Having a lemon means you're just wasting time having it fixed (free of charge) and you aren't paying for repairs or hunting for hard to find pieces. The proportion of lemons to good cars when you buy brand new vehicles from trustworthy manufacturers is something like one in an thousand or one in ten thousand.

For Subic cars? one to one. Kaya nga ang baba ng presyo.

Conversions from right hand drive to left hand drive, even with original parts always carries with it a safety penalty. Cutting and welding parts of the firewall to accomodate new equipment leaves areas for corrosion to attack, or for possible stress failure. Headlights not aimed right are a hazard at night... left facing sliding doors are a hazard any time... and once you've bought a Subic vehicle, you're stuck with it... the resale value of Subic cars is... well...

Granted, I've known people who are satisfied with Subic vehicles, but I know others who've spent tons of money fixing things that went wrong, (and going nuts because of parts not locally available... at least not cheap) and finally selling the vehicle for a big loss. It's your money, and your gamble.

But think of this... with government restrictions now in place on Subic imports, you will be hassled every once in a while for your registration and tax receipts if you're driving an obviously JDM vehicle... and those vehicles that you can get legally now are those that have been passed over and rejected by other buyers, and are likely to have been sitting in the lots for a while, now.

At maawa ka naman sa local industry natin... hello? Support Philippine made products! Mag-Sarao ka na lang!

[alwayz_yummy]

di sa ayaw ko ng bago (sino ba ayaw?) but the cost..yes mura na financing pero the burden of paying monthly is a chore...nothing beats C.O.D.! un nga lang, tali na pera mo dun..

pero kung pang-business financing might be a good choice, since kumikita ung sasakyan, pero kung personal ride/luho lang, di practical i-finance pa.

tsaka, nakabuti naman etong mga kinamumuhiang subic imports, for example, for the local industry, its competition! pansinin nyo, before sumikat yang mga converted na yan, ang mga sasakyan natin dito sa pilipinas walang thrill, sasakyan lang....

aminin na atin, ang pinoy kung saan mura un ang papatukin....sino ba walang pirated DVD/audio sa inyo???

pareho din yan sa sasakyan.....kung ano mas of good value that you can buy in CASH, dun tayo..

like this safety issues, long since before such laws have passed, we live with the converted vehicle, examples: 90% of the japanese trucks plying our road are converted eversince before i magkamuang sa mundo...ever the GEMINI/ASKA taxis before...

filipinoes are industious,ha...

pero eto masasabi ko, and sentiments ko din (having to own 2 JDMs), nalulungkot ako, na pag may nagtopic ng ganito sa tsikot or sa kung saan mang auto forums, para bang masyadong dinadown ang mga converted units....its ok to suggest local counterparts/choices or alternatives, pero wag naman sana i-down ang mga units na ito...they're just a victim of filipino motivation for a fast income..bakit napupunta sa ganitong usapan, nalilihis...if ung nagtanong gusto nya ung ganitong unit, sana iwasan na natin malihis sa ganitong usapan, at mag-stick nalang sa topic at hand...

why japanese depreciate thier cars so fast simply because of thier system there: the older the car the bigger the registration...unlike us here, compare a 89 model car to a 99 model car's registration fee...oviuosly, masmura ung 89 kaysa sa 99.. and a typical japanese can afford a brand-new car every 2 years! and the jobless can live the same lifestyle for 1 year!

so it boils down on our goverment...ang laki ng R(obbery)-VAT, pero nasan ang pondo ng pinoy?kung tutuusin, if the goverment is less kurakot, maayos ang tax and fees system, siguro walang bibili ng mga converted units na yan or ng pirated videos and audio...at mapapaganda buhay ng pinoy..

[niky]

Well, not to go too far off-topic, piracy is immoral and illegal... but the artificially high prices that caused the blossoming of the industry are not in any way the fault of the government... nor are motor vehicle prices. High tarriffs on CBU and secondhand vehicles are meant to stimulate local industry, not make life hard for us.

[niky]

As for those converted trucks/buses, hello? Bakit kaya ang daming aksidente? Granted, there are some good imports out there. If they're original LHD, I have no compunctions recommending them... even Bestas or Grace vans... because you can always replace bad mechanicals (japanese replacement engines are cheap), but you can't always fix a bad conversion.

[niky]

And finally, original LHD vehicles undergo certification for safety and roadworthiness, and are taxed properly and accordingly. Many Subic vehicles are not. Isn't it surprising that even a 100% tariff doesn't add anything to the price? Secondhand japs are cheap, but not THAT cheap!
And regarding the growth of the local auto offerings... this is mainly stimulated by competition and new...

[niky]

players in the game (the americans, koreans and chinese)... the effect Subic DOES have on the local car market is to actually DRIVE UP the prices of some vehicles, as many are resorting to CBU imports because they don't have enough volume to produce them locally. If you want to know why a new Hiace costs over 1m, just look out at the smoke belching, wrong doored 2ndhands roaming our streets.