Impromptu Face-off: Kia Rio versus Toyota Vios

[niky]

Kia Rio Sedan versus Toyota Vios 1.5G

A small caveat: The Kia Rio Sedan is the cheapest model in the range... if you can call two models with the same engine but different trannies a model range... while the Toyota Vios 1.5G is the top-of-the-line Vios, but a new variant at even higher spec is soon to come.

Quick lowdown:

Exterior -

The basic shape of the Rio is much more modern and attractive, very European, actually... The Rio's really something to look at in traffic... Take away the Kia badge, and you could stick a Renault or Opel badge beside the Rio badge... no one would know the difference.

I like the Vios, but the Rio just looks so modern and functional compared to the Toyota... and the amount of glass it gives you, without the bubble-top penalty of the City, is wonderful. Rio wins.

Interior -

The Kia has much better headroom, and legroom is very good, but thigh support and elbow room is lacking. The design is modern, and the instruments are easier to read than in the Vios. There are cubbyholes for everything, from your cellphone to your license card, and the sound system and airconditioning are pretty good. (They got a work-out from the heat).

But in terms of materials, the Vios wins, hands down. While it feels slightly cramped and dark compared to the Rio, everything feels more solid, and there are less hard plastics. I love the 1.5G color scheme, and the airbag-equipped wheel is nicer to hold. The design is getting dated, though, and I still hate that digital instrument panel.

Vios wins by dint of material wealth... and because I love dark colors.

Drive -

The test Vios was an automatic, so the Kia Rio obviously felt much stronger. The Rio's engine sounds sporty, but sadly, revs slowly when free-revving. It must have a pretty heavy flywheel, for smoothness... that's the only excuse I can think of. Power is comparable to a 1.5, with a bit less top end, and the linear torque is good enough to allow you to pull from under 1000 rpm in second gear (yes, surprised me too). It's responsive in traffic, but you have to thrash it to go fast... One peeve is the reverse gear. Even when you're used to it, you can still mess it up when you need to back-up suddenly.

In fast driving, the Kia understeers like nobody's business, due to some really cheap tires. Body roll is well controlled and steering is light but responsive. This bodes well for the car's handling on better tires, but the rear end feels crude at the limit, too bouncy when you're sliding sideways. Still, it drives great in traffic and is very nimble, with good (non-ABS) brakes... and it's fun to toss around despite the tire handicap. Oh, and it's quiet and rides somewhat smoothly. (another big shock.)

The Vios, on the other hand, feels solid and handles well, with heavy steering (still not the most communicative I've tried). It understeers less than you'd expect and grips strongly, thanks to a set of 15 inch Potenza RE050 tires. Those tires are also more comfortable, strangely, than the Kia's balloonish 14 inchers and are quieter, too.

Vios wins, but not by much. I think the tires on this trim level are an unfair advantage.

Bottom Line -

No surprise, the Vios 1.5G is a much better car than the Kia Rio. But with the projected price for the Rio at 530,000 pesos, and around 700,000 for the 1.5G Vios, that's expected. What's unexpected is how good the Kia is for such little money... again, confirming my first impressions of the Rio... this baby is the perfect college kid's car, and anyone considering a 1.3 Vios or City must consider this car, too... as neither of the 1.3s have ABS anyway, and they're not quite as quick.

Like the Vios, the Rio gives you the same elemental appeal as the first generation City. A quick, nimble, economical and fun little car for the masses.

Well, maybe it's not an unexpected result... we know Kias are good now... and we've come to expect it on these drives. It bodes well for the company's future. If they could go from the horrid little thing that was the old Kia Rio to this in just a few years, imagine how good they'll be in the near future...

[carlocaraddict]

We drove the Kia Rio today around the city of Manila. It is surprisingly
smooth and quiet. It may be slow at first but once get into the groove,
it is another story. Stoping power is good and steering feel is light yet responsive.
There are a lot of storage spaces inside the Rio. A mobile phone holder is located beside
the cigarette lighter while a card holder is just below the head unit. It may look small but
the Rio has acceptable levels of leg and foot room for both front and rear passengers.

The Vios shows its age yet it still handles well on corners while the Rio defines more up to date looks but lacks grip.
In terms of goodies,the Vios is loaded with a lot of gizmos than the much dated Rio. The Vios 1.5G is equipped with
a driver's airbag and abs while the Rio doesnt have either.

oh, by the way, our Kia Rio test unit comes with a tricky manual transmission.

The Kia Rio is a good alternative. With a retail price that falls under 600k, it is indeed very competitive.

Which will you choose?

[niky]

Don't forget the headroom... heheh... the Vios backseat feels really low after the Rio.

[mikmik316]

I would rather have a Rio... much sportier looking than the Vios (para sa akin di naman talaga mukhang sporty tong entry level ng Toyota e)

[oldblue]

yan mismo nasa picture na rio, yan yun below 600k? okey ah! kano ba entry level vios or city ngaun?

[enteng]

ive seen it here in canada at para sa akin mas maganda talaga sya compared sa vios

[niky]

I don't have direct dealer quotes, pero according to motioncars, the Vios 1.3J, at 553,000, has manual windows and mirrors, and a 2-speaker cassette player (the last part may not be true anymore).

At a possible 530k, the Kia Rio has a Sony head-unit/CD player with four very decent speakers (maybe it's time to upgrade my Ford's six speaker system if a Kia can sound so nice... ), power steering, windows, locks, mirrors and keyless entry.

The 1.3E unit at 615k is a better match in terms of kit, although I'm not sure whether it has power windows yet. It does have body colored trim, unlike the black trim on the Rio, but I think the Rio's black trim has more charm.

If this were a comparison of the 1.3J to the Rio, the Rio would win, hands down... better value for money, good warranty, and lots of kit for the money.

Brand values? With the problems facing Honda and Toyota in the trim quality department, as well as various other issues, and with Hyundai/Kia gaining ground in Quality Awards and recognition, I think the playing field is more or less level now.

I'd love to try an up-spec'd Rio, with better wheels, leather, and, hopefully, a CRDi lump. Accent engine + Rio design + available ABS = new Kia owner here...

[vhenok]

yan mismo nasa picture na rio, yan yun below 600k? okey ah! kano ba entry level vios or city ngaun?

AFAIK, Vios J is * 540k while the City is a little less than 600k.

Pero in the long run, mas lamang ang Toyota. That is, if you're talking about resale value IMO.

[niky]

Pero, take note... mas mataas naman ang price niya in the first place... ...though I'm sure, even at the same price, the bare-bones Vios may just retain its value a bit longer than the Rio.

Of course, whether one counts resale value or not in car purchasing depends on the purpose of the buyer... like some of us contend, a car is not an investment, it's a luxury. You never expect to get money back on it. Pero, for some people, it's a legitimate issue, and I acknowledge that.

The hatchback is the really expensive one... if you can call a projected price of just under 600k expensive. But I believe it can actually compete with the Jazz, which costs more, too.

[Camgen6]

Wow! good reviews niky and carlocaraddict.

[eggman]

The Rio is the best anyway the 1.4 sedan is meant to compete with the Vios 1.3 J which is getting too generic these days at mas ok ang Rio ngayon kasya nung dati.

[mazdamazda]

For my money I'd buy the Kia Rio.

The European-inspired exterior is reason enough to buy this baby. The only thing missing is some decent tire + rim package.

The engine response at low rpm is very good (even when fully laden as we've tested it a month ago). The manual tranny & clutch feels good. The interior is also better executed than the Vios. My only gripe is the rather narrow driver's footwell.

[Psylocke]

The only doubt in people's minds is durability. If they'd bring that 5-year KIA warranty here then I'd buy one...

[wakin]

true. imho, they maybe at par with another but durability comes first for the pinoys.

[qman]

niky nakuha mo rin ang data ng fuel consumption ng dalawa

OT na pero what about the fuel consumption ng Sportage sori po

[userfriendly]

Since we are talking about Kia, just want to ask what year did they improve their quality. I'm asking bec you are saying that Kia's quality has improved a lot. My experience has not been as good. We have a company car, a 2002 kia pregio and it has a lot of minor problems. Nothing major, so far, but a lot of small annoying things. So my question is have they improved significantly quality wise since 2002?

[theveed]

Saw the Rio first hand nung weekend, looks great and the interior is less claustrophobic than the Vios.. Eurong Euro ang dating talaga... The consumption posted sa C! makes is comparable to the 1.3 Vios/City as well.

[niky]

The 2002 Pregio was merely an evolutionary changeover from the previous Pregio, which is directly descended from their licensed Asian vans, all based on ancient Mazda technology.

I guess, there was still a bit of chance involved in quality with the borrowed Pregio chassis and technology... my cousin has a 2002 that he uses for rental (up to five trips a week, full load), and he hasn't had any headaches yet.

Another one has the K2700, same story... the cab is starting to rust from all the scratches, dings and water he uses it to carry (they live in BF, no water pressure, so they need to get water from their place here in Laguna) and it's still in good mechanical condition. I used it to move house two years ago.

For Asian vans like the Pregio, L300 and the like, quality is always a question mark... I've heard of horror stories left and right about Bestas, Pregios, Urvans (for crying out loud) and L300s. It all depends on workload, engine use, fuel quality and maintenance, but I suppose there's a fudge factor in there somewhere that hits people.

As for Kia's engine development, they've had problems with some of their engines. The 1st all-new engine they put in the Coupe had reliability issues, old van engines had issues, and even the new Coupe isn't the best in reliability... but the long warranties and the quality citations they get for other models points to the fact that they're working hard to cure this.

It might be hard to accept that Kia may be a decent choice nowadays, but one look at the Picanto thread, with tons of happy users, should ease your mind with regards to the quality of at least some of their cars.

[woulfe27]

both 1.3 variants of the Vios have driver side airbags. No ABS, though.

[mazdamazda]

The hordes of satisfied Sedona, Sorento & Picanto owners here on the boards should be enough to keep durability concerns at bay.

As for Toyota - don't get me started on that one. Even the Japan CBU Rav4 has its fair share of headaches for me.

All in all - the quality of Korean & Japanese vehicles are at par with each other.