Which car good for A/T

[tradewind26]

Guys ask ko lang which is best for A/T. Alin mura maintenance, good FC and mura PMS? My budget is limited, kaya puro not the sport variants nilista ko..hehe...Thanks

Jazz [SIZE=2]1.3 S AT[/SIZE]
Fiesta 1.6 Powershift Trend 4 Dr
Mazda2 [SIZE=2]1.5L 4-Door AT[/SIZE][SIZE=2] Sedan [/SIZE]
Vios [SIZE=2]1.3E [/SIZE][SIZE=2]A[/SIZE][SIZE=2]T[/SIZE]
City [SIZE=2]1.3 S [/SIZE][SIZE=2]AT[/SIZE]

[ghosthunter]

What is your budget (more or less).

Have you also considered the Toyota Yaris 1.5L?

[tradewind26]

The prices of these cars are 700k+... I have not yet check the Toyota yaris. Would you mind sharing any insights.

[tidus1203]

Halos same price lang din Yaris dyan sa listahan mo, baka mas mura pa kasi dahil sa discounts (walang bumibili eh )...

[GTi]

On paper, the Fiesta has the most advanced transmission and the most powerful engine. But many say that it's not as good as it seems. And that its performance is not that far better from the its much more technically inferior brother, the Mazda 2's. The 1.3E Vios is immediately out of the list since its easily the weakest among the bunch and comes with just a 4 speed tranny. The 1.3 Jazz/City are nice, but not as powerful as the Fiesta. Given your choices, I'd still pick the Fiesta but in hatch form, both the Fiesta and Mazda 2 look just ugly in its sedan guise. If it was the Jazz 1.5 in the comparo though, it would be a different story.

BTW, are you really looking for A/T's only? There are some good manuals out there like the Accent 1.4GL which, I believe, you can have Hyundai install the bells and whistles if you want.

[tradewind26]

On paper, the Fiesta has the most advanced transmission and the most powerful engine. But many say that it's not as good as it seems. And that its performance is not that far better from the its much more technically inferior brother, the Mazda 2's. The 1.3E Vios is immediately out of the list since its easily the weakest among the bunch and comes with just a 4 speed tranny. The 1.3 Jazz/City are nice, but not as powerful as the Fiesta. Given your choices, I'd still pick the Fiesta but in hatch form, both the Fiesta and Mazda 2 look just ugly in its sedan guise. If it was the Jazz 1.5 in the comparo though, it would be a different story.

BTW, are you really looking for A/T's only? There are some good manuals out there like the Accent 1.4GL which, I believe, you can have Hyundai install the bells and whistles if you want.

Thanks for your opinion. Yes im only looking for A/T, grandma would like to drive it sometimes. I also agree that Fiesta is the best among the list, but im little bit hesitant with the Cramp legroom and headroom at the rearseats. Jazz still wins in Space, but 1.3 A/T is really just enough for the car and nothing really special. I am opting Fiesta Sedan, but i not sure though when i test drive both cars.. Still thinking hatch or sedan

I more thing, does mazda2 really lacks some features as what the other review said?

[tidus1203]

Mazda 2 has enough features naman especially compared to Jazz or Yaris pero compared to the Fiesta its lacking... But since Trend lang din kukunin mo, I guess features wise patas lang silang lahat its just the Fiesta Sport that is really loaded... The MZ2 and Fiesta have similar legroom naman and go re-check it kasi ganun din kala ko dati sa Fiesta during my quick inspection when it was launched in last year's PIMS pero when I got a 2nd chance to inspect it more thoroughly in the dealer it was sufficient naman...

I 2nd the motion if ever you choose a Fiesta get the hatchback for a bonus 1000 pts in pogi...

[tradewind26]

Hahaha.. 1000 pogi points talaga eh no... Im not really into pogi points. Sapat na sa akin yung average looks.. I actually thinking of getting the Sedan for more baggage space, incase family might go for some trips.. I really like the hatchback, but the baggage space might not be enough. Decision might still change when i see it in actual.

[scharnhorst]

Thanks for your opinion. Yes im only looking for A/T, grandma would like to drive it sometimes. I also agree that Fiesta is the best among the list, but im little bit hesitant with the Cramp legroom and headroom at the rearseats. Jazz still wins in Space, but 1.3 A/T is really just enough for the car and nothing really special. I am opting Fiesta Sedan, but i not sure though when i test drive both cars.. Still thinking hatch or sedan

I more thing, does mazda2 really lacks some features as what the other review said?

in my opinion, the mazda2 sedan looks better than its fiesta sedan counterpart... especially from the rear.

but looks are subjective.



the mazda2 sedan doesn't have the following:
1)USB support
2)Multi-information display
3)Wide angle side mirrors
4)E-Z capless fuel system
5)separate interior lights for the passenger and the driver

but... compared to its trend counterpart (pag sa sport vs. sport wala talaga ang daming stuff ng sport fiesta)
1) the mazda 2 *feels* more spacious due to a larger greenhouse
2) steering wheel audio controls (love this feature)
3) "open" glove box
4) fuel filler cap that locks with the door locks (if you're worried about this)
5) fog lights as standard
6) backup sensors as standard (but you could probably get this for the fiesta, kung mabait SA mo. hehe.)

and there are the other small touches in the mazda 2... like the ram air intake, the multi-hinge bootlid (compared to the gooseneck in the fiesta), the fuel filler cap is welded onto its holder, and the engine bay looks neater.

in terms of driving, the mazda2 is said to be more exciting near the limit, probably because it doesn't have the electronic stability program that the fiesta has. but it has the sharper steering and in terms of driving performance, the 4AT in the mazda is as good as the 6DCT in the fiesta due to its gearing. (the mazda2 is a tad bit faster to the hundred mark than the fiesta, if I remember)

the baggage space in the mazda2/fiesta is big. and if you really have to bring a 40 inch flatscreen, the rear seats fold down for even more space

if you want to get a jazz.. erm, I suggest waiting for the upcoming one with the updated engine and new CVT. not sure when that's gonna come out, though.

in terms of driving, the 1.3 city/jazz looks powerful on paper, but as they say... there's no replacement for displacement (better torque delivery in the mazda 2 and fiesta). And that 5 speed A/T confers little in the way of fuel economy (the 4A/T of the mazda 2 cruises at 2,700-2800 RPM, while the 5A/T of the city/jazz has it at 2,500. the 6A/T of the fiesta does it in 2,300 RPM, though.)

to answer your question in the mazda2 thread...

the cost of maintenance among the three cars is probably the same, due to the 10k service intervals for all of them. Mazda gives the 1k and 10k PMS for free, though.

Parts... Mahal parts nitong tatlong kotse na to for sure. Casa pa kasi.

but regarding maintenance, in the long term, I foresee no problems with either the ford or mazda. It may be harder to find parts for the mazford cousins due to their very recent release, but I'm sure parts will be more available as more and more cars get out of their warranty period. We have an 11 year old ford ranger (and used to have a 2nd gen CR-V) and we've no problems sourcing parts for either of them.

[tidus1203]

You forgot one exteremy neat safety feature the Fiesta Trend 1.6 PS has that the Mazda 2 does not nor any of the others like Yaris and Jazz don't. That's the ESP or ESC (that what they call it in the US) short for Electronic Stability Program/Control... It modulates the steering electronically to avoid skidding during evasive manuevers... It is a required safety feature in all 2012 US car models and any car without it can't be sold in the US by 2012... So you can see the importance of it as far as the US DOT (Dept. of Transportation and its NTHSA agency) is concerned...

As for the Fiesta's gearing, the Tsikot.com Fiesta boys found a solution around that and made the shifting shorter and smoother... It involves resetting the ECU but its a simple process and I can confirm its effectiveness... Thanks to ryandude for the tip!

[tradewind26]

in my opinion, the mazda2 sedan looks better than its fiesta sedan counterpart... especially from the rear.

but looks are subjective.



the mazda2 sedan doesn't have the following:
1)USB support
2)Multi-information display
3)Wide angle side mirrors
4)E-Z capless fuel system
5)separate interior lights for the passenger and the driver

but... compared to its trend counterpart (pag sa sport vs. sport wala talaga ang daming stuff ng sport fiesta)
1) the mazda 2 *feels* more spacious due to a larger greenhouse
2) steering wheel audio controls (love this feature)
3) "open" glove box
4) fuel filler cap that locks with the door locks (if you're worried about this)
5) fog lights as standard
6) backup sensors as standard (but you could probably get this for the fiesta, kung mabait SA mo. hehe.)

and there are the other small touches in the mazda 2... like the ram air intake, the multi-hinge bootlid (compared to the gooseneck in the fiesta), the fuel filler cap is welded onto its holder, and the engine bay looks neater.

in terms of driving, the mazda2 is said to be more exciting near the limit, probably because it doesn't have the electronic stability program that the fiesta has. but it has the sharper steering and in terms of driving performance, the 4AT in the mazda is as good as the 6DCT in the fiesta due to its gearing. (the mazda2 is a tad bit faster to the hundred mark than the fiesta, if I remember)

the baggage space in the mazda2/fiesta is big. and if you really have to bring a 40 inch flatscreen, the rear seats fold down for even more space

if you want to get a jazz.. erm, I suggest waiting for the upcoming one with the updated engine and new CVT. not sure when that's gonna come out, though.

in terms of driving, the 1.3 city/jazz looks powerful on paper, but as they say... there's no replacement for displacement (better torque delivery in the mazda 2 and fiesta). And that 5 speed A/T confers little in the way of fuel economy (the 4A/T of the mazda 2 cruises at 2,700-2800 RPM, while the 5A/T of the city/jazz has it at 2,500. the 6A/T of the fiesta does it in 2,300 RPM, though.)

Once i see it in actual the hatchback, maybe i might change my mind.. Hmmm since im not thinking of getting the fiesta sport. Mazda2 might be also possible option for me. Yah from youtube, mazda2 really is better car for on the road.. I just saw a Ford fiesta video right now and the rearseat legroom seems to be okay. If that is the case jazz is out, i might check the A/T mazda2 and Fiesta, but not the sport version because of the limited budget.

By the way, which of the 3 have low maintenance cost and PMS(still one of my very concern).... Fiesta, mazda2 , jazz?

[scharnhorst]

*Tradewind: they'll have the same cost... which is expensive!

just kidding.

the fiesta and mazda2 are probably gonna have the same PMS cost, and have the same service intervals...

kahit vios mahal pag sa casa eh.

kung gusto mo sureball na sobrang mura ang maintenance after ng warranty... vios talaga ang number 1 kasi maraming, maraming parts.. (kasi taxi)

Mazford told me that they don't have mazda2 or fiesta parts at the moment, kasi talagang bago pa yung dalawang yan... but they'll have them once cars start going out of warranty

You forgot one exteremy neat safety feature the Fiesta Trend 1.6 PS has that the Mazda 2 does not nor any of the others like Yaris and Jazz don't. That's the ESP or ESC (that what they call it in the US) short for Electronic Stability Program/Control... It modulates the steering electronically to avoid skidding during evasive manuevers... It is a required safety feature in all 2012 US car models and any car without it can't be sold in the US by 2012... So you can see the importance of it as far as the US DOT (Dept. of Transportation and its NTHSA agency) is concerned...

As for the Fiesta's gearing, the Tsikot.com Fiesta boys found a solution around that and made the shifting shorter and smoother... It involves resetting the ECU but its a simple process and I can confirm its effectiveness... Thanks to ryandude for the tip!

yeah, that's why the fiesta probably handles more predictably at the limit - it has an electronic stability program.

both cars got 4 stars at the EURO NCAP, by the way.

both cars handle remarkably well with the mazda2 having a sharper, more direct feel. It's almost 100 kg lighter than its ford cousin. heehee.

if the fiesta had a manual mode for its 6 speed DCT and a way to turn off the ESP... perfect na talaga!

[tidus1203]

Yah from youtube, mazda2 really is better car for on the road.. I just saw a Ford fiesta video right now and the rearseat legroom seems to be okay.

Speaking of YouTube, you see chicks dig the Fiesta...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzftPq3wX_8"]YouTube - 2011 Ford Fiesta - AutoTrader New Car Review[/ame]

[tradewind26]

Hay hindi ko pala naintindihan to...Panu ba to basahin. Pag mas mababa yung RPM mas better FC?

"the 4A/T of the mazda 2 cruises at 2,700-2800 RPM, while the 5A/T of the city/jazz has it at 2,500. the 6A/T of the fiesta does it in 2,300 RPM, though."

[tidus1203]

In theory yeah lower RPM's mean lower fuel consumption cause engine works less... The best car is to get peak power and peak torque at the lowest possible RPM. Especially peak torque cause that is what moves the car forward...

[tradewind26]

Ah ganun pala yun.. Tama pala yung nasa isip ko.. Thanks

[scharnhorst]

Ah ganun pala yun.. Tama pala yung nasa isip ko.. Thanks

yep. the fiesta is undeniably the king when it comes to highway fuel economy.

if a non-broken in mazda2 can get 14 km/liter on a highway run (4AT sedan, I think it's more like 16km/liter now, though), mas matindi pa fiesta. hehe.

the mazda2 and the city/jazz garners the same fuel economy...

and in the city, pareparehas lang sila, mostly

there's more to it than just engine speed though, I think the tranny stall speed also makes a difference in the fuel economy, but I'm not too well versed with that.

[scharnhorst]

*tidus1203

looking at the specs sheet again...

http://www.auto-searchphilippines.co...ordFiesta.html

wala palang real time FC meter ang fiesta trend, only the fiesta sport gets this nifty feature..

and walang USB support yung fiesta trend? and no rear speakers?

but I'm sure meron naman yan sa aftermarket.

seems you guys stumbled on some hidden "sport mode" sa fiesta. hehe.

[tidus1203]

Yep only the Fiesta Sport gets all the fuel computers, distance computers, temperature, average speed, distance to empty...

And yes no USB for Trend and no Rear Speakers, 4 speaker at the front... The Sport has 6 speakers, 4 at the front and 2 at the back...

That's why I praise the Fiesta Sport for its value for money proposition... Just P50,000 more than a 1.6L Trend pero yung things na makukuha mo ang dami talaga... Kaya nga its the best seller in the Fiesta line up even though its the most expensive... Oh it also has an OEM backup sensor to boot...

[kapitan88]

i was in this exact situation last month, though my 1st requirement is FC and next is parts availability, (since i travel 120+ km daily) so I settled for vios e AT, but, if FC is not an issue for me, for sure fiesta ang kinuha ko. Up to this day, whenever i see fiesta sport sa road, napapa lingon ako, sarap siguro i drive nun, but pag nagkakarga na ko gas, napapangiti na lang ako, at sabi, buti na lang vios kinuha ko.

depende yan kung ano ang top priority mo, kung porma/performance = fiesta; kung tipid mode = vios.