Canter vs Elf

[darkheim6900]

Planning to buy po na Elf or canter 6 stud po sa subic tanong ko lang po kung ano mas matibay sa dalawa?
meron na po kami canter din 4d32, pero blowby na po siya pero sulit na rin.

sa elf eto po tanong ko
ano po pinagkaiba ng 4hg1 , 4hf1 , 4he1?? mas reliable ba sila sa 4d32, 4d35???


4hg1 or 4d35 ano po mas matibay sa palagay niyo?

[vinj]

AFAIK, pareho lang matibay since we have both units at the office (Canter and Elf), although i noticed there are more Canters (possibly cheaper to acquire?). It will depend on the actual condition of the unit if you're buying the second hand and regular maintenance.

[lowslowbenz]

Why not invest in brand new units? Light trucks are not that expensive to acquire brand new ... IMHO.

And you will save in the long run on maintenance issues, plus you get factory warranty.

[vinj]

Why not invest in brand new units? Light trucks are not that expensive to acquire brand new ... IMHO.

And you will save in the long run on maintenance issues, plus you get factory warranty.

Speaking of brand new, what i see a lot now are the China trucks. No idea on longevity though...

[yapoy86]

problem with brandnew local trucks are outdated compared to those surplus units from japan.

[darkheim6900]

Why not invest in brand new units? Light trucks are not that expensive to acquire brand new ... IMHO.

And you will save in the long run on maintenance issues, plus you get factory warranty.

800k po ung canvass ko sa subic eh ung bnew ng isuzu at mitsu ay halos 1.4m na. problema po kasi sa brandnew ng isuzu at mitsu ay computerize na ang engine. mahal po pag nasira. tyka po kasi cash on hand na po ung 800k ayoko ko naman po ipa finance. 6studs po kasi habol ko ung local na nabibili dito isa lang ang choice mo sa subic iba ibang klase ung mga truck like kung kailangan mo ng mas malaking makina at malaking chasis pero elf parin siya.

base sa experience ng mga kakilala ko wag po kayo bibili ng china truck. bumili na rin ako ng mga elf sa subic isipin nyo 10yrs na sakin ang nasira alternator lang at compressor ng aircon at ung canter na isa namin blowby na pero sulit na. eh ung kumpare ko bumili ng foton 6 months lang sakit na sa ulo ang masama pa dun binabayaran nya parin ung unit.

[darkheim6900]

AFAIK, pareho lang matibay since we have both units at the office (Canter and Elf), although i noticed there are more Canters (possibly cheaper to acquire?). It will depend on the actual condition of the unit if you're buying the second hand and regular maintenance.

bakit parang baligtad sir?? hehe mas marami elf kaysa sa canter. kahit sa subic mas marami isuzu kaysa sa mitsu

[victorevolution]

yes okay naman sa subic pero brand new pa din ang maganda, kasama naman sa warranty yung ecu pag bumigay agad or may defect the best solution is huwag ka mag hire ng barubal na truck driver na sugod ng sugod and tell him a truck is not a submarine

and as far as i know bihira bumigay ang mga ecu except nalubog sa water pero usually naka watertight sealed naman pag sa truck ang ecu

sabi ko nga sa ko nga sa dad ko dati ng pinipilit niya yung fort vs. tb kasi daw sabi ng mechanic(prens motor) mas okay ang fort, sabi ko bakit sa mechanic mo ba ipapaayos yan eh brand new yan may warranty yan at ganun talaga ang technology ngayon di mo maiiwasan talagang computerized and electronics na

dont get me wrong madami din kaming subic vehicles - but best is brand new

yes! never buy a china made vehicle for now, baka maHAIMAk buhay mo at FOTONin ka sa kalsada

[ronw123w124]

For me mas matibay ang Canter, yung mga trucks sa amin consists of 4wheel Canters (local 1st gen), 4wheel Isuzu NKR aka ELF (local). Lahat ng NKR namin napalitan na ng makina, sablay talaga kase yung Isuzu 4BE1. Of the 4 NKR's that we have on our fleet yung 2 naka 4BC2 na ngayon the other 2 naman naka 4BD1. While yung mga Canter namin na mas luma eh orig na 4D31 pa rin ang makina although lahat yun na overhaul na, not bad for a truck that is already more than 20 years old.

Maganda sana ang brand new pero karamihan kase ng mga driver barubal kaya mas feasible ang surplus. In the last 7 years we bought 6 units of Isuzu Forward wing vans all of them surplus from Subic and all of them ayos na ayos pa to date. Importante lang na may kasama kang marunong tumingin when buying a surplus truck.

[ronw123w124]

Double post

[cpsolt]

parang mas marami akong nakikitang elf compared to canter. kaso both are notorious targets for asbu-waya's.

[GTi]

A relative of mine bought a China truck before. Problem with these seem to be substandard quality of engine components. Mabilis bumigay mga piyesa. And then yung pintura nung binili ay kulay puti, di nagtagal dirty white na at nagmumukha nang grey. Not to mention na nangangalawang na after around 2 years. JAC tatak nung truck.

Personally, I find Fuso engines to be more refined and quiet than Isuzu engines. Both are excellent workhorses and you shouldn't go wrong with either one as long as you got a unit that is in good condition, and have a driver that will take good care of it. I suppose the reputation of these trucks rely largely on word-of-mouth. Different countries have different preferences. Here we may prefer Isuzu, but in Taiwan you will find that almost all the trucks are Mitsubishi.

The brand new local Japanese light trucks available still use old school diesels. Some variants may have added turbo intercooler, but that is not new among the Japan surplus.

[ronw123w124]

parang mas marami akong nakikitang elf compared to canter. kaso both are notorious targets for asbu-waya's.

Kahit anong truck naman mainit sa mata ng mga Buwayang iyan.

[dct]

malayo ba ang fuel consumption ng 3.6L to 4.3L engine para sa isuzu NPR? ano bang mas bagay? iniisip ko baka underpowered ang 3.6L. or baka naman fuel guzzler ang 4.3L. thanks

[basti08]

We just acquired a Bnew Canter FE71 (4 wheels only/no truck ban). 3.9L Turbo. We chose this over the Isuzu NKR kasi 2.8L NA lang makina, not to mention tad cheaper ang Canter at 1.085M net of discounts. Although they say mas matipid daw at mas mura i-maintain. I doubt that'll be the case kasi mabibigat talaga ikakarga namin. Also, we had a surplus Canter also which serves us pretty well. Ngayon papahinga na sya. hehe

[dct]

hindi ba 4.6L yung brand new nkr? surplus po kasi pinapipilian namin so either 3.6L or 4.3L. NPR na hindi truck ban. hehe. 14 feet aluminum van. ano kaya sir mas bagay na makina? thanks

[number001]

*basti

NHR is 2.8 li 4JB1. 3.5 tons

NKR is 4.3 li 4HF1-II. 4.4 Tons.

What type of rear body do you plan to put on the Canter ? And which company (ie. Centro, etc..) do you plan to have it made ? Thanks!

PS: Our company is also studying these two models (Canter and NKR).

[basti08]

hindi ba 4.6L yung brand new nkr? surplus po kasi pinapipilian namin so either 3.6L or 4.3L. NPR na hindi truck ban. hehe. 14 feet aluminum van. ano kaya sir mas bagay na makina? thanks

2.8L or 4.6L na agad. Actually, ang original na alam ko may 3.6L sila, kaso phase out na pala yun. Isa lang advantage ng surplus trucks, dami kasi hocus pocus sa registration kahit mabigat gross weight nagagawa ng mga surplus importer na coding/no truck ban. Minsan kahit pa 6 wheels. Sa Sobida ganun sila. Pati sa ibang surplus truck dealers. JAC? Forget it.

Value for money? Try nyo Hino. Extendable to 11ft pa ang standard chassis nila. No extra cost. 4.0L Turbo engine. Toyota din naman Hino.

[basti08]

*basti

NHR is 2.8 li 4JB1. 3.5 tons

NKR is 4.3 li 4HF1-II. 4.4 Tons.

What type of rear body do you plan to put on the Canter ? And which company (ie. Centro, etc..) do you plan to have it made ? Thanks!

PS: Our company is also studying these two models (Canter and NKR).

Number001,

Meron na body, kay Royal in Caloocan kami nagpapagawa ng mga body ng trucks.




eto na old Canter namin, lagi na nakayuko hehehe!


Alam ko customized yan to fit same as a 10 Cubic FT container. So a bit oversized.

[crazy_boy]

sir, san kayo nakabili ng wind deflector? we're looking for our L300.

thanks.

sorry OT