Apples to Oranges: All-New Toyota Altis or Nissan XTrail 2.0 or Honda City 1.5EL?

[cherice]

All-New Toyota Altis has a long waiting list and offers no cash discounts. We're also told that to be "prioritized" in the unit allocation, we have to go for in-house financing. Cash or company PO transactions will most likely take much longer to be given a unit. We're looking at the 1.6G AT variant which is pegged at 935K.

Meanwhile, Nissan is offering the 2.0 AT variant pegged at 1.085M with a cash discount of 86K. This will allow us to get a subcompact SUV for only 999K, which is the same price of the new Altis 1.6V variant. The unit is available readily so that means we will be able to get the new car asap! A very tempting offer indeed.

On the periphery is the Honda City 1.5EL, which, being TOTL, has leather seats and very posh looking on the inside. Plenty of nice buttons to play around with. Price is at 871K, no cash discount currently being offered.

I know these 3 belong to different categories, but if you were to assess it individually, how would you rate each? And how would you make your choice?

PS
My last ride was also an Altis matic. The new Altis is thus our default choice but the long waiting time and in-house financing catch are a bit of a disappointment. I prefer the Xtrail, but my husband is doubtful of Nissan's maintenance costs and availability of parts...

[_Cathy_]

I know these 3 belong to different categories, but if you were to assess it individually, how would you rate each? And how would you make your choice?

I am looking into buying the same unit - 1.6 G A/T. I have been told as well that there will be no discounts. I expected that already since it's a new model. I am bargaining for free LTO but that would mean I would be bumped into the end of the waiting list. I would still go for Toyota, I don't mind the long waiting time. Subok na Toyota e. The Honda City you are considering may be TOTL but it is still a subcompact. I would still go for the bigger car. Re Nissan, in my lifetime, we've never owned one, unless datsun is also nissan (?), so for some reason, I never really considered the brand

[cherice]

Thanks both for your prompt replies! Much appreciated!

*cathy_for_you: Did your SA tell you how long you will be waiting for the unit allocation?

*jut703: Is the CVT the same with nissan continuously variable valve timing control? that's the one in the 2.0L AT variant we are looking at...

[_Cathy_]

Thanks both for your prompt replies! Much appreciated!

*cathy_for_you: Did your SA tell you how long you will be waiting for the unit allocation? ...

Nope. Their launching it on the 2nd week of January ata. I might drop by the casa then.

[brainmafia_310]

i suggest wait for a month or two, when the new vios (3rd gen) is coming out, wala daw discount na kayang ibigay sa akin toyota. so i end up buying gen 2.5 with lots of discount (around 150k for 1.3 G M/T).

i was surprised that after 2 or 3 months of launching the 3rd gen vios, eto na umuulan na ng discounts again.

kung hindi ka naman picky, at major facelift alng ang meron sa altis, why not go to the old model and haggle for a bigger and better discount. just my 2 cents.

hth.

[cherice]

i suggest wait for a month or two, when the new vios (3rd gen) is coming out, wala daw discount na kayang ibigay sa akin toyota. so i end up buying gen 2.5 with lots of discount (around 150k for 1.3 G M/T).

i was surprised that after 2 or 3 months of launching the 3rd gen vios, eto na umuulan na ng discounts again.

kung hindi ka naman picky, at major facelift alng ang meron sa altis, why not go to the old model and haggle for a bigger and better discount. just my 2 cents.

hth.

We were really after the old gen, since it looks more classy than sporty. And lots of discounts! But they ran out of units before we could get one, only the black MT variants were left at the time and we were looking for an AT variant...

[jut703]

*jut703: Is the CVT the same with nissan continuously variable valve timing control? that's the one in the 2.0L AT variant we are looking at...

CVT and CVVT are two totally different things.

CVT is a type of transmission. It stands for Continuously Variable Transmission. It functions like a conventional automatic car, but with a belt instead of gears. Both the new Altis and new X-Trail have CVTs. The outgoing Altis and previous-gen X-Trail have conventional 4-speed ATs.

CVVT is an engine valve management technology. CVVT is to Nissan as VVTi is to Toyota.



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[vinj]

Wait a few months after the New Altis is launched. By then supply allocation and discounts will be better. No sense in rushing if you can wait.

The Xtrail is a fine car too as you get a bigger and higher vehicle but do note that it's already old and were not sure what the plans of the new Nissan will be for that model.

[cherice]

Wait a few months after the New Altis is launched. By then supply allocation and discounts will be better. No sense in rushing if you can wait.

The Xtrail is a fine car too as you get a bigger and higher vehicle but do note that it's already old and were not sure what the plans of the new Nissan will be for that model.

Yes, we can wait a bit longer for the Altis, if ever. It's just that we're also running on a clock with the XTrail promo (it was actually for Dec lang daw, and I'm just asking the SA to extend the deal a bit more since we're still deciding). So part of me wants to wait for the new Altis and part of me wants to grab the good deal for the XTrail.

And yes, that's actually the reason why I wanted the XTrail, the taller height feels like it's more able to combat Metro Manila's flood-prone terrain. Though we live in an area that's high and that thankfully just whisked thru Ondoy and Habagat like any other typhoon, you'll never know someday But my husband shares your sentiments that the XTrail might have parts availability issues 3-5 years down the line since it's an old car, and we intend to keep it for 5-7 years if ever.

[cherice]

CVT and CVVT are two totally different things.

CVT is a type of transmission. It stands for Continuously Variable Transmission. It functions like a conventional automatic car, but with a belt instead of gears. Both the new Altis and new X-Trail have CVTs. The outgoing Altis and previous-gen X-Trail have conventional 4-speed ATs.

CVVT is an engine valve management technology. CVVT is to Nissan as VVTi is to Toyota.



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Wow! Such brevity! I've been trying to look up these terms in the past hoping I would understand them but I get lost in the sea of jargons But your explanation is very simple and understandable, thank you!

So...my old Altis (10th gen) and the 2.0L Xtrail have the same 4-speed ATs? Does that mean that performance-wise, they're the same? Honestly, I just used the R, D, and N in my old Altis...and I was quite fine with it

And I would want a belt (CVT) instead of gears because? What are the advantages of a CVT over 4-speed?

[dr. d]

And I would want a belt (CVT) instead of gears because? What are the advantages of a CVT over 4-speed?

CVT does get rid of the "traditional" shift shock the older 4-speed ATs had.. but i hear the newer non-CVTs have very little, if any, shift shock..
some say CVT has better "geartrain management", resulting in optimized performance, but i haven't really experienced this.. nabasa ko lang..
which is more matibay now? dunno...

[jut703]

Do you need a new car right now already?
If you don't, a little patience goes a long way for the Altis.

What X-Trail is this that's netting 999k? If it's the old body, forget it. If it's the current one (with the CVT), that's a more modern car with lots of space, but be prepared for the higher running costs of an SUV vs a sedan (gas, tires, parts, etc).

I'd rank it:
1. Altis - new model, reliable brand, easy to own
2. X-Trail - higher ground clearance, more space
3. City - cheapest, also frugal, but very unexciting

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Xtrail vs Altis? No question, I'll take the xtrail (that is kung handa na mashock sa gas consumption).

[vvti2.0]

Di naman ata pwede i-compare ang fuel consumption ng 1.6 at 2.0, lalo na magkaibang maker ng makina heheheh....

Parehas na nga 2.0 same maker pa, iba pa rin ang consumption.

Sabi nila x-trail is around 5-6 km/l mixed highway and city driving.

[_Cathy_]

I also don't like the interior of the x-trail. It looks dated.

[brainmafia_310]

by the way, forgot to mention, always buy during months end. usually ung mga hindi nakaquota dyan bumibigay ng mas maayos na deal.

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Di naman ata pwede i-compare ang fuel consumption ng 1.6 at 2.0, lalo na magkaibang maker ng makina heheheh....

Parehas na nga 2.0 same maker pa, iba pa rin ang consumption.

Sabi nila x-trail is around 5-6 km/l mixed highway and city driving.

Hindi talaga pwede... I'm not saying that to compare but to let the ts know how the xtrail consume gas.

It's so obvious na malayo consumption nila. No need to point that out.

Xtrail is a better buy if it's compared to the Altis in my opinion. Sarap sakyan ng xtrail, crv, rav4.

[dr. d]

[QUOTE=vvti2.0;2289077]Di naman ata pwede i-compare ang fuel consumption ng 1.6 at 2.0, lalo na magkaibang maker ng makina heheheh....

why not? car buyers, especially fuel misers, do it all the time.
to some people, km/li is paramount. the other factors are secondary.
to some buyers, poor km/li is actually a deal-breaker.

[vvti2.0]

[QUOTE=dr. d;2289097]

Di naman ata pwede i-compare ang fuel consumption ng 1.6 at 2.0, lalo na magkaibang maker ng makina heheheh....

why not? car buyers, especially fuel misers, do it all the time.
to some people, km/li is paramount. the other factors are secondary.
to some buyers, poor km/li is actually a deal-breaker.

Parang it's comparing the obvious, same fuel but different displacement, siempre mas malakas yung malaki displacement.

[dr. d]

[quote=vvti2.0;2289305]

Parang it's comparing the obvious, same fuel but different displacement, siempre mas malakas yung malaki displacement.

yes, it is obvious. but only to the informed. and there are always exceptions.. i have a 1.6 car who thinks it's a crv... a 2.5 diesel delivering 11 km/li, while the 2.0 gas does only 7 km/li...
there are many newbies out there who don't even know what engine displacement means.