B-Segment Comparison Vios vs Yaris vs City vs Jazz vs Swift

[ronallandottk]

Toyota Vios 1.5S M/T 770K
Toyota Yaris 1.5 M/T 730K
Honda Jazz 1.5 A/T 838K
Honda City 1.5E A/T 811K
Suzuki Swift 1.5 M/T 725K

If you had to choose among one of these, which would it be? All are B-segment/supermini cars with 1.5 engines, dual airbags/ABS and manual gearboxes when available. All have MacPherson struts up front and torsion beams in the rear. Mitsubishi and Nissan have nothing in this segment, Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio doesn't offer airbags/ABS in any of their variants. The Aveo sedan only has a 1 and half stars Euro NCAP (crash) rating and is only available with a 1.4 engine, and the 1.5 Aveo hatchback is woefully underpowered (83 hp).

Toyota Vios S has full bodykit and upsized wheels, 107 hp with 5 spd M/T, a good driver's car, but is almost 3 years old, and center instrument panel IMHO, kinda dorky. Zero points on exclusivity, nowadays almost everyone, including the Police, and most taxi firms own Vioses. At least you'll never have problems with spare parts and reliability.

Toyota Yaris a lot cheaper, same engine and transmission as above, but also the same age and dorky center instrument panel. Less space than a Jazz, and rear brakes are drums. Somewhat rare, so some exclusivity.

Honda Jazz, excellent in almost everything, though 1.5 version doesn't have M/T. 120 HP i-VTEC, the most powerful (along with City). Fresh design (early 2009). 5-spd A/T with paddle shifters. The most expensive, 100k more than Swift or Yaris. No side guards (minor quibble). Nice-looking exterior. Trip computer.

Honda City, same as Jazz, though Jazz interior IMHO looks better. No M/T for 1.5 variant, no side guards (minor quibble). Second most expensive. Fresh design. Nice-looking exterior. Trip computer.

Suzuki Swift, good 110 HP engine mated to 5 spd M/T. Nice exterior styling (mini-like if you squint hard enough), though dash with integrated audio not that good-looking. Not that common so some sense of exclusivity, the cheapest. The only one with a proper temperature gauge and not an idiot light. The least amount of space among hatchbacks. Rear drum brakes. Questionable after-sales support. Relatively obscure Suzuki brand.

Opinions please.

Price (buying and maintenance), reliability, fun to drive and after-sales support are main concerns. Secondary concerns are fuel economy, interior space, appearance, and resale value.

Is there anything else in this price range (or lower) worth considering?

Thanks gurus.

[basti08]

I dont think exclusivity counts even for the rarest Yaris or Swift.

Its hard to find an exclusive car in that kind of price range.

If you want exclusivity buy, say a Volvo C30 or Audi A3 or better yet a Chana Benni ;)

[ronallandottk]

I dont think exclusivity counts even for the rarest Yaris or Swift.

Its hard to find an exclusive car in that kind of price range.

If you want exclusivity buy, say a Volvo C30 or Audi A3 or better yet a Chana Benni ;)

"Relative" exclusivity only.

[suysuy]

ill choose city or jazz.

[sm2by]

Vios 1.5S M/T its pretty fast seller and you could get it fast with discounts and freebies try Toyota Bicutan since they offer very big incentives when you purchase the vios since its made here in the Philippines... Can't go wrong with spare parts too...

The Jazz is nice but Thailand import units have a long waiting list and limited availability..
The City is good but interior space is tight compared to the Vios...

[tsupermario]

Price (buying and maintenance), reliability, fun to drive and after-sales support are main concerns. Secondary concerns are fuel economy, interior space, appearance, and resale value.

ihmo yaris because its light and nimble. very close second is the jazz.

[Lanchong]

I'll go for the City. Astig ang porma nya, Maganda rin interior. Binenta ko Vios ko for the City so far no regrets. Kung Jazz, Swift and Yaris, sa Jazz na ako.

[renzo_d10]

1. Honda City 1.5E
2. Honda Jazz 1.5V
3. Toyota Yaris 1.5.
4. Toyota Vios 1.5S
5. Suzuki Swift 1.5

- according to preference. And uh, if you want add a lil' more to get a Civic 1.8V ( 850k M/T )

- The jazz and the swift is the most fun to drive among the choices. after-sales would go to honda and toyota. maintenance ... hmm ... the honda is a lot expensive than of the tyt's

- The yaris haven't changed really. Just the exterior and you wouldn't see it if you don't really look closer.

- The swift is old but fast ( not as fast what others claim to be - 6 secs from 0-100km/h. WTF. :hysterical: )

- The Vios S is great. Full of options but the 17" rims I think is too big. Dunno if the ride gets bumpy tho'.

[4agze]

all your pick looks like the BestMotoring battle of the micro muscle, you should watch this colt (i dont think its sold in Phil.) vs jazz vs swift vs yaris. its fun to watch even thou you know they are not that powerful...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpX_S1VY_WE"]YouTube- HOt Hatch Battle[/ame]

[tidus1203]

I pick the Yaris in this category same as a Vios in functionality without the taxi/police feeling. Very spacious for passengers but lacking in cargo department. And very very generous in discounts so you could even get one below P700K for a 1.5L manual... The Honda's are nice, but IMO no longer good value for money as some class C cars are already cheaper than those class B's...

[nurse_corrupted]

Yaris FTW. 100K difference between Yaris and Jazz, you can spend 50k for a OEM plastic body kits, and jdm rear tail lights to look like this. May sukli ka pa.

[tsupermario]

The yaris haven't changed really. Just the exterior and you wouldn't see it if you don't really look closer.

after all its only a facelift

among other things you get a new set of mag wheels, side mirror turn signals, leather steering wheel with audio controls and front underseat tray

[saipeme]

yaris has 30k discount this month....nothing beats that best bang for the buck!!! among the fl changes is the more sleeker grill...

[jmpet626]

Meron issue yung C! magazine comparing Jazz, Yaris at Swift. Sa Maintenance ang pinaka mura is yung Jazz dahil sa 10,000 kms service interval niya. Sa space naman Jazz ang winner. Wala bang ilalabas ang toyota na 2nd gen Yaris? Luma na kasi yung yaris and katapat nya eh yung 1st gen jazz pa

[niky]

Yeah I know the Strada GL is bare. But to put it into comparison just shows us how expensive the Jazz really is. The Strada GL has a P20K discount so patas na sila price-wise. A pickup VS a subcompact hatch? The Strada has way more metal, a diesel engine too (CRDi pa). The comparison is not a straight one but it just goes to show how really over-priced the Jazz truly is. Pati Strada pwede na gawing comparison price-wise...

But market-wise, it isn't. The Strada is a truck. It's a very, very good truck, but it's still a truck. One with an old-fashioned ladder-frame, a live-axle, a mere 3-star crash rating on the EuroNCAP (and note... it's the best in its class!), rear leaf springs and drum brakes and no ABS.

Oh... and without airbags, the Strada's crash ratings would be considerably worse... note that airbags and ABS/EBD aree standard even on the base 1.3 Jazz, which gets five stars on the EuroNCAP.

To even get ABS on the Strada, you have to buy the 1.3 million peso 4x4.

For just a little more... you can already get a Montero... which has ABS as standard and seven useful seats, so you can actually make the claim that the Strada is also "overpriced".

The Jazz is expensive compared to its competitors, yes, but it's the only subcompact you can buy and still fit in five people comfortably (well... the Yaris, but the rear hatch is awfully close to the seats). Calling it a "small car" is a misnomer. It's bigger inside and out than all Civics before the EP. In other words, it's practically a compact car... but one you can buy with smaller, more fuel efficient engines. As such... it's cheaper than all of its mainstream competitors, in this regard.

Apples to apples. You compare two cars of similar performance and spec. And to get similar performance and specs to the 1.5 liter Jazz, you need the 3.2 liter Strada, which costs twice as much. Even in the US, the difference between the price of the base model to the fully-loaded variant of most cars is enough to make the fully-loaded one cost as much as or more than base variants of bigger cars. ;)

[tidus1203]

Well I understand that they should not be compared directly because they don't compete directly BUT all I am comparing is price and price alone. I know the Jazz has a lot of goodies compared to the GL Strada. But come on? 2500CC DIESEL ENGINE (CRDi) VS a 1500C Variable Valve Petrol??? I know those goodies cost money but the biggest cost parin ang metal to create the car and the engine block itself... I am still not convinced the Jazz is reasonably priced. I still think its OVERPRICED! Now its intro price at P798,000 was reasonable! But to jump to P845,000 without even adding anything is just criminal!

OT na tayo... Pero regarding Strada GLS Sport VS Montero Sport GLS yes the price is close pero the Strada is 4X4 while the MS is 4X2 only. At the same time the interior of the base MS GLS is ugly, ugly aircon dials, no screen only a drawer at the top...

[niky]

The 1.5 Jazz has better fuel economy, it's faster. It carries the same number of people. Without the government tax breaks on diesel (which probably won't apply to Euro V diesel when they finally bring it in... which is the only diesel you should put in your CRDi engines...), it would cost less to fuel. As it is, it costs the same to fuel and much, much less to maintain. (longer intervals, less oil, etcetera).

About the only thing extra you get with the Strada is the bed. And without a locking cover, that's not as useful for family duties as a cargo hatch. And a locking cover is extra.

You get the flood fording capability... but then... that's because it's a pickup, and that's part and parcel of the class it competes in... if Honda wanted to, they could build a high-riding Jazz... like the old HRV or the old Civic 4x4 wagon.

You're paying extra for the engineering. The Jazz uses higher tensile strength steel than the Strada, which is why it costs more to build. You get four disc brakes (the units on the Montero and Strada are pathetically weak due to the drums... but this is also a common problem in the pickup class) and ABS. And a five speed automatic transmission.

It's only expensive because it's loaded. Give it a manual transmission, strip the airbags, give it rear drums, etcetera... and it should cost 50k-70k less. Use cheaper steel (bring it back down to the same 3-star rating...) and switch to smaller 15" steelies, maybe remove another 70k. You end up with a mid-600k car that's still much bigger and more refined than other 600k cars.

But if we're talking about the amount of metal for your money... nothing beats a Foton pickup...

[ronallandottk]

But if we're talking about the amount of metal for your money... nothing beats a Foton pickup...

A Foton? I'd like to convince my son's mother to buy a Foton...so I can just tell him, dyan ka sumakay sa Foton ng ina mo.

Back to the topic, Mazda is now in the B-segment class as well, with their 795K Mazda 2.

As it now stands, the playing field is thus:

Toyota Vios 1.5G M/T - P760,000
Toyota Vios 1.5S M/T - P770,000
Toyota Yaris 1.5G M/T - P731,000
Suzuki Swift M/T - P730,000
Mazda 2 A/T - P795,000
Honda City 1.5E A/T - P816,000
Honda Jazz 1.5V A/T - P842,000

Spec-wise, and perhaps quality-wise the Hondas lord it over everyone else, but the 50-100K price premium will still give average Joes second thoughts.

Bang-for-the-buck, it's still probably the Yaris or the Swift.

Decisions...decisions...quality? Or Price?

[powerloord]

Any thoughts on the Honda Jazz recall?