Avanza 1.3 J M/T (5 seater) or Vios 1.3 J M/T ... which would you choose?

[niky]

The argument started when you claimed that a FWD car would sustain more damage in a frontal collision, here:

simple example, shoot one of your FWD front wheel into a manhole submerged in 3 inch flood water at lowly 20 kph then compare your cost of repair against the weakest RWD.

i've been driving since '86 that's why i am so familiar with RWD. that time, only the Mirage, Laser, Telstar and the last Corolla (before the "16valves") are the FWDs. what happen to them? they were outlived by the Starlets, Lancer boxtypes, galants and the coronas - all RWDs

Note: Laser? Telstar? They didn't last long because after they came out, Ford pulled out of the Philippines and they all rusted to death. That said, there are still cars like that on the road.

Nothing to do with FWD or RWD. We owned a Laser. Never had any problems with it, mechanically, as opposed to the RWD Chevy we had before it... it's just that the chassis and exhaust rusted to pieces in the time that we owned.

RWD versus FWD? Cefiro GTS-R versus Galant GTi... which do you see more of on the road?

Then you amended it to this:

In a minor or medium force collision that resulted to joint damage, here we can see how expensive replacing an outer CV joint or worst axle (not a boot ha?) than with the most common McPherson strut type of the RWD Avanzas.

Then we noted that said collision would have to be extremely severe, so:

what if the sole portion hit is one of your front fender/wheel? i don't think the damage will go thru the engine, manifold etc. also, say both FWD and RWD got into a manhole at any speed? sensitivity of FWD will always be on top not to mention the type of road here

I've destroyed several mags due to potholes on the Lynx. Cracked a few. Had to replace lots of suspension parts... bushings... tie rod ends. Never had to replace a CV Joint. Some cars have weak CV Joints. Some don't. Whoopee. Given that both Vios and Avanza have front McPhersons built by the same company... which would be more prone to damage, again, if we take the CV Joint out of the equation? (And I've posted already about the cost of CV Joint replacement versus running costs and distance travelled)

Then you started posting links to nonsense discussions about FWD versus RWD:

for FWD vs RWD or even AWD comparison, this would help :cheers:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...-vs-awd-2.html

From a forum, no less... I pointed out these guys have no knowledge of local AUVs. But still:

for me, forumers are more knowledgeable than those who just "buy" because they need to and the least they have no other choice. forumers are here to know and to give something they know as well. issues or not, that could give help to readers in need. but for those who are "so knowledgeable" i don't think so

An oblique reference to us? Eh? You're now arguing just for the sake of arguing.

And then bring up another car not in the discussion:

remember the introduction of the MB100 (FWD) in the 90's? it was selling like hotcakes because of its size, price, and the MB badge but after a few years it was discontinued. Why?

Which I responded to: Indonesian made, crap quality, poor gearbox... (oh, yes, we had one, too) but I reminded you that even some Japanese rear-drive vans had issues with the drivetrain... and they overheated more often... (we had a Vanette. It was worse. I'd rather have the MB100).

Then you started grasping at straws:

sobra ka naman :doh: and here's another. share natin to dito sa tsikot. this could help you too as well as first time drivers who have FWDs.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fwd.html

This is the single worst piece of automotive writing I've ever seen on the internet... almost as bad as those 9-11 conspiracy sites. I'd still like to see proof that your tires will lock up whenever you let off the gas pedal. Maybe the guy downshifts into first at 100 km/h when he lets off the gas... :hysterical:

c'mon guys, don't say you don't know that :doh:

Errh... who said what?

Performance is the main answer.

While I enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, this isn't the place for it... and you're just going in circles for the sake of arguing.

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If you prefer RWD, you prefer RWD. But don't invent reasons that don't exist for why the Avanza is better than the Vios.

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I'd actually consider an Avanza 1.5 over a Vios 1.5 if I needed a family car. An Avanza 1.3 5-seater over a Vios? No. The 1.3 has really cheap interiors, it rattles, it squeaks, the engine struggles to carry a full-load (but it can, if it needs to... only issue is fuel consumption when you fill up the cargo bay), the handling is tippy and the body is tinny compared to the more crash-worthy Vios.

Fini. End. Finis.

[alwayz_yummy]

so avanza 1.3J 5-seater or vios 1.3J?

sana di na maligaw pa..

[ghosthunter]

so avanza 1.3J 5-seater or vios 1.3J?

sana di na maligaw pa..

IF you are moving people & your typical weekend grocery in comfort - Vios.

IF you are moving large cargo and people not so comfortably -Avanza.

[niky]

yes, i stand to my claim that FWD is more sensitive to frontal collision / bumps etc. it's cheaper to make budget wise and not to mentioned the issues argued. that's the main reason why i really favor RWD over FWD. its up to the TS now.

Opinion. And still has nothing to do with the two cars mentioned except as it means "it's possible".

Or I could put up a video "proving" that FWD is safer than RWD in a crash:



But it won't mean squat because the Vios and Avanza aren't a Volvo and a Renault.

quoting again and again will just make it more in circles its already there so no need. :doh:

After throwing down accusations at others for being off-topic and contradicting yourself a number of times and changing your story on every page? Oh-kay... no problem...

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In the end, having driven both and experienced both: agree with GH... except to note that the Avanza is not really all that uncomfortable... especially not compared to bigger AUVs... except that it feels less stable to drive.

[ghosthunter]

Luggage space?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBaNnce-Vds"]YouTube- Proton Exora - Luggage Space comparison with Avanza and Grand Livina[/ame]

[dr. d]

unless i need the extra cargo space and/or seats, i'd get the vios. nicer to drive.