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  1. Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Innova ang descendant of the Tamaraw FX

  2. Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Na the Innova while is the spiritual descendant of the Tamaraw FX is not the real descendant the Avanza is the real descendant of the Tamaraw FX. THe Innova has become an MPV family vehicle while the Avanza is still an AUV. And yes being used as a taxi nagmana sa lolo (Tamaraw FX) at tatay (Tamaraw FX Revo) nya...

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    well if the ts could afford the 3thousand difference, needs space most of the time, dosent really care kung global or 3rd-world car.. and prefer to drive high, not ing the line of "headlights of taller vehicles...then avanza ang best choice...

  4. Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by 1D4LV View Post
    for an ordinary everyday driver a FR car would:

    - provide better acceleration, since weight transfer is placed at the end of the car, improving traction;
    Yes, typically

    - steering radius is bigger;
    depends on car, actually, many big engined FWD cars have a large turning radius because of the limitations imposed by the drive-axle geometry.

    - better handling in dry conditions
    depends on suspension design more than drivetrain... but then, the Avanza is designed to drift... ...the Vios is designed to understeer...

    - better braking
    Maybe. I haven't seen conclusive proof of this, and overall weight, tires and brakes will play a bigger role in this.

    an FF car would:

    - provide bigger interior space
    Yes, if all else were equal, pero we're comparing a van to a car... ...this was one of the advantages of the MB100, as it was front-drive...

    - better FC because of fewer components, which mean lower weight
    - cheaper maintenance
    Yes, all else being equal... but things aren't always equal. AUVs are usually built with older tech, so they're cheap to maintain. I don't know how the Avanza (which has a unique engine series) will compare over time in this regard to the Vios, which has been around longer.

    In terms of economy, the Avanza isn't bad, but the Vios is terrific. Have yet to formally test the 1.3 versions of either car, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by XTO View Post
    FWD is more sensitive to bumps and collision. Konting bangga lang on front section chances are affected na ang drivetrain.
    Any collision strong enough to actually reach the drivetrain of a FWD car will have to go through the radiator, engine and auxiliaries first... so it's not that big a deal. Note... there's a reason that front-wheel drive vehicles have CV Joints... it's so that movements of the front wheels won't rip the transmission apart. Accidents that affect one wheel and that even destroy suspension parts won't wreck a FWD drivetrain (from experience). At worst, you'll need to replace the CV Joint and an axle. In most cases, just the CV Joint. Sometimes, nothing at all.

    Rear wheel drive cars have their weight distributed closer to 50/50 between the front and rear wheels, which is conducive to a smoother, more stable ride. Because of the weight distribution, the rear tires and springs can take on their fair share of the work load so the car can have higher cornering limits and greater maximum stopping power.
    Closer, conducive, can. Meaning to say you can have this, but the design of the car will have a greater effect. Case in point: BMW 1-series and Ford Focus. The 1-series has multi-link suspension and rear wheel drive, but I dare you to find anyone who'll suggest the Bimmer go-kart rides anywhere near as well as the Focus. Though yes, the base 1-series is more agile than the Focus... but at the top of the range, Focus RS versus 135i? The RS is actually faster.

    If you need to pull a heavy trailer, you should also be aware that rear wheel drive allows for a greater towing capacity than front wheel drive.
    Allows, if the vehicle is purpose-designed for towing. Most vehicles are not.
    Mazda6: Rated at 1400 kg towing capacity.

    Unless you're towing a 4000 kg trailer with a duelie pickup, this is not a consideration.

    And note: the Avanza's rated towing capacity is just 500 kg. In this comparison, both car's towing capacities are limited by their engine size.
    Last edited by niky; January 8th, 2010 at 01:49 PM.

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  5. Join Date
    Nov 2005
    In a minor or medium force collision that resulted to joint damage, here we can see how expensive replacing an outer CV joint or worst axle (not a boot ha?) than with the most common McPherson strut type of the RWD Avanzas.
    Last edited by XTO; January 8th, 2010 at 02:49 PM.

  6. Join Date
    Oct 2005
    dati ganyan din ang dilemma namin. we went to picking the Vios J. better interior and ride.

  7. Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Depende yan sa purpose mo sa sasakyan, if its for transporting people only then the Vios would suffice, but if it will be used for hauling people AND cargoes at the same time then the Avanza would be the prudent choice. Being the fleet manager in our company, nagkaroon din kami ng discussion with the higher ups when the Avanza came out as to what car would be the better choice for the sales people in our company, we eventually agreed that the Avanza was the better choice since it can also double as a delivery vehicle for clients that would order small quantities but need our products in a hurry. So far we have 5 Gen 1 Vioses and 6 Avanzas (white). We intend to eventually replace our service vehicles into Avanzas in the future as we gradually dispose of older cars in the fleet like the big body and the lovelife Corollas.

  8. Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Quote Originally Posted by XTO View Post
    In a minor or medium force collision that resulted to joint damage, here we can see how expensive replacing an outer CV joint or worst axle (not a boot ha?) than with the most common McPherson strut type of the RWD Avanzas.
    By the time you have a collision strong enough to damage the CV joints, your engine (Avanza or Vios) will be affected, the manifolds will be wrecked, the radiator destroyed, the aircon compressor on the Vios destroyed... alll engine accessories on the Avanza (since they're all at the front of the engine... the Vios's alternator is in the back)... Basically, you're looking at a 50,000-100,000 peso job at the casa, whichever among the two you're driving.... if you have a frontal collision that is sufficient to dent a drive axle... the entire front end of the car will be utterly destroyed...

    Other than extreme cases like that, CV joints are part of normal maintenance. In a rear-wheel drive car with an independent rear suspension instead of a live-axle, you'll have the same issue.

    The Avanza is only better in this regard because it has a live-axle, not because it's RWD. And that live axle is part of what limits ride comfort on the Avanza compared to the Vios. While the Vios has a rear torsion beam, the lighter weight of that versus a live-axle makes it easier to tune for ride comfort.

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  9. Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Come on people... if the sole consideration you have is the cost of repair if and when you hit your front wheel against an immovable object...

    In my many many years of driving, I have yet to damage a car in that way.

    I find the collision repair bill consideration very pointless.

  10. Join Date
    Aug 2005
    The K3-VE engine of the 1.3 Avanza was intoduced in Japan around 2000 and 2001. This was the Toyota Sparky.

    You can almost see the similarities between the sparky and the avanza.

    Rebadged to Daihatsu Atrai:

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Avanza 1.3 J M/T (5 seater)  or  Vios 1.3 J M/T  ...  which would you choose?