Apples to Oranges: All-New Toyota Altis or Nissan XTrail 2.0 or Honda City 1.5EL?

[vinj]

*ponkan: yes, 15s lang for 2007 2.0 xtrail. Hindi pa yung cvt tranny.

*vinj: yes, quite unusual for a Nissan. Pero nung mga earlier years nya, I tried searching for similar stories with fellow xtrail owners. I found out that there are a handful owners having the same predicament. Some of these guys even changed their stock blowers with blowers from a mitsu pajero. Walang problema sa lamig ng hangin. Dun lang talaga sa hina ng blowers. Ang hinala ko since cbu Japan at Tokyo model ang tawag eh talagang hindi binigyan ng pansin yung blower since malamig naman sa japan.

To TS: subjective yan ha. What seems to be poor aircon to me might not be for others. What might seems to be at par ride comfort might not be for others. In a nutshell: just test drive so you get to feel these by yourself.

Hmmm... parang tama yung observation mo on the blowers. Possibly it's not "tropicalized" given the X-Trail is a JDM market spec model.

Agree: Test drive!

[cherice]

. "i'd happily trade my entrails for an extrail..."
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This is a good one! Thanks Dr. d for the comprehensive feedback

We went to a Nissan showroom to check the XTrail 2.0 variant that we're considering. The exterior looks sturdy and classy, but the interior did feel a bit dated...so, having driven an Innova 2.0AT in the past, we felt something was lacking with the XTrail 2.0. The 2.5 variant is much, much nicer, but of course the price is much, much for our budget as well :-)

But here's the thing: right beside the Nissan showroom is Hyundai's, and we got to look at the 2014 FL Elantra. We were floored. This car looks so stylish without being arrogant. The interior is so sophisticated, I think I have forgotten about my first love, the Altis! The price is just about the same as the new Altis, too. I'm seeing a lot of Hyundais on the road, am I right to interpret this as a brand (and the Elantra, as a car) worth considering?

[blacksun25]

But here's the thing: right beside the Nissan showroom is Hyundai's, and we got to look at the 2014 FL Elantra. We were floored. This car looks so stylish without being arrogant. The interior is so sophisticated, I think I have forgotten about my first love, the Altis! The price is just about the same as the new Altis, too. I'm seeing a lot of Hyundais on the road, am I right to interpret this as a brand (and the Elantra, as a car) worth considering?

Between Elantra and the Altis, I'd go with the Altis for generally worry free motoring.

[jhnkvn]

I'll go for the Elantra 1.8L variant. 1.6L variants of the Altis seems unappealing to me and the 2.0L variant is close to entry-spec Toyota Camry levels.

[brainmafia_310]

Between Elantra and the Altis, I'd go with the Altis for generally worry free motoring.

I agree to this one. i will go for the Altis and enjoy worry free if not ease of maintenance and warranty claims.

[Walter]

Get the Altis, Hyundai sedans have horror stories regarding quality and warranty claims.

[zechs]

i'd choose the all new altis if I can wait. hehehe no more korean cars for me.

[victorevolution]

hyundai vs toyota - check the horror stories first of both car company hari/hahn vs tmpi

there you would know which is a better car rather than a die hard fanboy input.

yes xtrail is a cbu unit from japan.- downside is gas guzzler other than that its an okay suv. upside- it's a no nonsense capable suv that's why it's interior is a bit outdated, it can climb a steep hill like the other gas guzzler suzuki vitara(gas is a lot cheaper than diesel in other countries like japan, us and eu.)

don't buy a car just for the sake of the useless gadgets added in it or it's styling, make that a secondary choice.

buy the car based on the engine and it's performance(economy, ease of maintenance,and claim of warranties just in case)

[ACarEnthusiast]

At first, glance I would automatically choose the Xtrail for the value. But in the long run, it's still a SUV, so it would be more pricey to maintain, and the fuel economy may surprise you if you drive a sedan. You will be rewarded with more space and comfort though.

Having driven 3 generations of Toyota Altis, I would still wait for it anytime of day for a long term investment.

[_Cathy_]

We should create a poll. But it looks like the Altis gets the majority vote

[jhnkvn]

All car manufacturers have their own horror stories. I daresay Toyota and Honda probably has more of them versus Hyundai as they've been operating longer in the country and has sold more total units.

I do appreciate Toyota's durability. I mean, my mom drives one. That alone speaks testament to its worth seeing how she uses a previous 1.8G TOTL 2002 Altis like a moving storage bin (pots, bins, coffee, pillows, blankets, old underwear and socks.. name it) and maintenance? what maintenance? First oil change nun something like 30,000km eh.

However, their pricing has been banking too much on their "#1" status and that's something I do not appreciate. Alas I'll go for the Elantra 1.8L for their more competitive pricing. Truthfully, you won't need 2.0L in a compact car. 1.6L is livable but I do find 1.8L of displacement to be the sweet spot. There's a reason why most Honda FDs are of 1.8L variant -- it just works.

[_Cathy_]

^Wow! Buti hindi nag sludge. That was one of my issues in getting the 10th gen Altis. I do my oil change religiously every 5k kms talaga.

[Ponkan]

OT. dapat ata lahat ng sedan gawin ng 1.8, parang pang all around talaga, speed di bitin saka di ganun kalaki difference sa maliit na displacement sa kunsumo ng gas if city driving ...back to topic; again Altis proven na talaga pangmatagalan, Xtrail for versatility

[jut703]

OT. dapat ata lahat ng sedan gawin ng 1.8, parang pang all around talaga, speed di bitin saka di ganun kalaki difference sa maliit na displacement sa kunsumo ng gas if city driving ...back to topic; again Altis proven na talaga pangmatagalan, Xtrail for versatility

Ang dami daming walang paki sa speed. Even a 1.3 is enough for many.

Also, a 1 km/L difference (usual difference between a 1.6 and 1.8) is more important to a lot of people than horsepower. Not to mention that a 1.6 will be cheaper.


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[victorevolution]

Ang dami daming walang paki sa speed. Even a 1.3 is enough for many.

Also, a 1 km/L difference (usual difference between a 1.6 and 1.8) is more important to a lot of people than horsepower. Not to mention that a 1.6 will be cheaper.


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right on!

to add the displacement nowadays is almost irrelevant(1.6-1.8) due to technological research, there has a been a breakthrough of smaller displacement engine giving more power

but caveat emptor- the buyer must also be responsible if such power is more than enough to handle such automobile for eg. the kia rio- way under powered.

last thing, will you buy a car for the sake or over speeding, or pag may nagcut sayo gaganti ka at hahabulin mo?(for what, pang asar? or gusto mo ikaw mauna parati sa pupuntahan mo?- buy a helicopter not a car)

that's why i love the comment made by jut703

to the ts, regardless of the displacement check on the power that the car may deliver that would suit your needs.(just stick to your original choices "apple" and "orange" don't add guyabano or banana since it will only complicate stuff)

[brainmafia_310]

right on!

to add the displacement nowadays is almost irrelevant(1.6-1.8) due to technological research, there has a been a breakthrough of smaller displacement engine giving more power

but caveat emptor- the buyer must also be responsible if such power is more than enough to handle such automobile for eg. the kia rio- way under powered.

last thing, will you buy a car for the sake or over speeding, or pag may nagcut sayo gaganti ka at hahabulin mo?(for what, pang asar? or gusto mo ikaw mauna parati sa pupuntahan mo?- buy a helicopter not a car)

that's why i love the comment made by jut703

to the ts, regardless of the displacement check on the power that the car may deliver that would suit your needs.(just stick to your original choices "apple" and "orange" don't add guyabano or banana since it will only complicate stuff)

very well said.

[brainmafia_310]

hyundai vs toyota - check the horror stories first of both car company hari/hahn vs tmpi

there you would know which is a better car rather than a die hard fanboy input.

yes xtrail is a cbu unit from japan.- downside is gas guzzler other than that its an okay suv. upside- it's a no nonsense capable suv that's why it's interior is a bit outdated, it can climb a steep hill like the other gas guzzler suzuki vitara(gas is a lot cheaper than diesel in other countries like japan, us and eu.)

don't buy a car just for the sake of the useless gadgets added in it or it's styling, make that a secondary choice.

buy the car based on the engine and it's performance(economy, ease of maintenance,and claim of warranties just in case)

just to add up, my uncle is offering me (1) a vios which he won from RW and (2) his 2007 Xtrail. muntik na akong mapa xtrail.

naging decision maker ko lang is di ko naman need ng SUV as of this moment and consider saving first sa gasoline.

regarding sa gadget, swak na swak sa requirement ko ung 1.3G MT ng vios. di ko need ng power mirror, sound control sa manibela, paddle shifter and et.al. yes maporma siya at good to have, pero di mo naman magagamit tuwing drive mo sasakayn mo.

during my cavite to makati days, i am just inside the vehicle for like 1 hour or so, much more nandito na ako sa alabang. so yung ibang mga gadgets pain in the A-S-S lang lalo na pagnasira. di mo na nagamit, papagawa mo pa. hahahah.

go for the altis old or new, xtrail or city 1.5L di ka mapapahiya they are very reliable.

[lowslowbenz]

Ang dami daming walang paki sa speed. Even a 1.3 is enough for many.

Yup, case in point. Yung Vios 1.3 ng asawa ko, versus my W140 S320. Pareho lang kami takbo sa highway at 100 kph. If she accelerates, maiiwan ako saglit, but when the Merc gets moving, pwede ko pa sya unahan.

The only difference is I was guzzling almost twice more gas than her.

:D

[leodawesome]

I think TS was referring to the old T30 Xtrail, which I believe has the old transmission module of its first generation (2003 model?), and not yet CVT equipped. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

If that's the case, then that Xtrail being offered to you is really old already. Its just the 3rd facelift of its first gen. The CVT equipped ones are priced at 1.3M and 1.5M if I'm not mistaken, and at 2.5 displacement. Kaya aggressive and discounts kasi naguubos nalang ng stocks yan. Alam ko nga every month may promo jan sa Nissan North Edsa eh.

Anyways, if I were you, I would wait for the newer technology equipped car. Wait for the new corolla. The Xtrail is big and versatile and would be the practical choice, but the trade off is the gas consumption (I average 6.5-7-5 on mine, 2006 model), more expensive parts such as the rims, tyres, etc., and more expensive on aesthetic maintenance (carwash, wax, detailing, etc). Most of the posts earlier are right, that if you dont really need the extra space and the height, and would only use the car for the same purpose, just get a sedan. Just my opinion

[vinj]

Ang dami daming walang paki sa speed. Even a 1.3 is enough for many.

That's quite true, especially with our roads. I still value speed and power but i can live with a 1.3L; heck i lived with a 90hp++ 2.7L pick-up for so long.

The Altis continued to sell well even with it's 1.6L variant.