Anu ba mas maganda na car engine LPG vs Diesel!

[alwayz_yummy]

In less than 3 yrs subie's boxer diesel should be out here as well

shameless plug hehe

hope dito din i'll be waiting hehehe exiga mpv na diesel hehehe

[welscua]

Between LPG and Diesel? I'll go for diesel, kasi eventually tataas din ang LPG pag malaki na ang demand plus kung LPG, IMO you need to allocate space inside your car or trunk for the tank and re-fill station are very few, esp. in the province.


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[tidus1203]

Although given na tataas din ang LPG, there will always be a price difference between the two.

[ghosthunter]

Between LPG and Diesel? I'll go for diesel, kasi eventually tataas din ang LPG pag malaki na ang demand plus kung LPG,

Depends, LPG is still a socially sensitive commodity so I don't think the government will let the price of LPG float too much beyond the price percentage difference against gasoline/diesel within the last 3 years.

And even if LPG prices do rise, I think it would still be cheaper than gasoline.

IMO you need to allocate space inside your car or trunk for the tank and re-fill station are very few, esp. in the province.

Although fuel stations outside the metro is few, you can always switch to gasoline when you are running low on LPG. So overall, you still save money on LPG. The LPG tank can be placed in the spare tire well or elsewhere depending on the vehicle model so storage space is not that much affected.

[welscua]

Although fuel stations outside the metro is few, you can always switch to gasoline when you are running low on LPG. So overall, you still save money on LPG. The LPG tank can be placed in the spare tire well or elsewhere depending on the vehicle model so storage space is not that much affected.

Yes you are correct, but if your ride is avanza, innova, fuzion, carens, etc.. which do you prefer to be installed inside your car? the spare tire or the lpg tank? this is the main problem of having an lpg engine; (OT) that is why the trend now is hybrid engine. LPG engine is not being push that much by carmakers unlike the hybrid. LPG lang ang way para makatipid ang gas engine nowadays.


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[ghosthunter]

Yes you are correct, but if your ride is avanza, innova, fuzion, carens, etc.. which do you prefer to be installed inside your car? the spare tire or the lpg tank? this is the main problem of having an lpg engine;

Having an auto-LPG tank fitted in your vehicle doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the spare tire. All you have to do is place the spare tire inside the vehicle which the LPG tank is placed where the spare tire used to be. Not even a problem to start with. If you don't like seeing the spare tire inside the vehicle, just place a tarp or wheel cover to hide it from plain sight.

It also saves the spare tire from getting stolen in some instances where thieves steal the spare wheel from under the AUV.

(OT) that is why the trend now is hybrid engine. LPG engine is not being push that much by carmakers unlike the hybrid. LPG lang ang way para makatipid ang gas engine nowadays.

Hybrid vehicles currently costs twice more than standard vehicles and a hybrid's fuel consumption is just at level with current vehicle on the road. That is just assuming the fuel consumption figures given by the manufacturer.

A web-zine's (http://www.bigbigcar.com) comparison (during late 2007) of the operating cost of a Toyota Prius vs a Ford Focus turbo diesel showed it is just the same given both vehicles were driven through the same traffic conditions in Metro Manila.

A hybrid car gives the owner a false sense of saving money because it would take at least 8 to 10 years of operating the hybrid vehicle for it to recoup the vehicle's price premium against it's so-called fuel saving ability.

In a test by Fifth Gear (UK automotive TV show), they drove a Toyota Prius in a test track for ten laps. It was followed by an unmodified BMW M3 sedan with the instructions to the driver to simply keep pace with the Prius. At the end of the ten laps, the BMW M3 consumed LESS fuel than the Prius.

A hybrid car might make sense at first but when real world factors are included, the initial advantages of the hybrid vehicle suddenly gets smaller and smaller until it is just another expensive gadget filled vehicle on the road.

[basti08]

ok, maybe the diference is the cost value ng fuel, syempre dahil sa tax, pero how about the fuel consumption, lets example the Getz for gas version = 14km/L, for diesel CDRI = 17km/L, so meaning mas malayo ang mararating ng diesel with same amount of fuel like 35liters, (fulltank)....just my insight lang

17km/l at 51 pesos/L na Diesel? 1785pesos to give you a range of 595kms bet. fill-ups

14km/l at 58 pesos/L na Petrol? 2030pesos 490kms range

or

14km/l at 31 pesos/L na LPG? 1085pesos 490kms range

Parang sa case ng Getz mas ok ang 1.1L LPG combo para makatipid. The higher initial cost ng CRDi variant seems to not save you that as much.

that makes it

[paolorenzo]

Kung bibili ka rin ng brand new gasoline-fed car, for LPG conversion, tama si GH. Make sure na bumili kayo nung casa-approved. For example, bili ka ng Vios, tapos converted sa Macro. Or Grand Livina tapos ipa-certify mo yung conversion. Tipid ka na talaga dyan!

Ang Chery Cowin is also sold with LPG as stock.

[userfriendly]

17km/l at 51 pesos/L na Diesel? 1785pesos to give you a range of 595kms bet. fill-ups

14km/l at 58 pesos/L na Petrol? 2030pesos 490kms range

or

14km/l at 31 pesos/L na LPG? 1085pesos 490kms range

Parang sa case ng Getz mas ok ang 1.1L LPG combo para makatipid. The higher initial cost ng CRDi variant seems to not save you that as much.

that makes it

another way to look at it would be:

diesel 17 kms / 51 pesos = 3 peso per km
gas 14 kms / 58 pesos = 4.14 peso per km
lpg 14 kms / 31 pesos = 2.21 peso per km

With the CRDI variant being 100,000 pesos more expensive, it does not look attractive. While you may have to spend say 40,000 for an lpg kit, it should pay for itself within 20,000 or so kms.

[alwayz_yummy]

teka teka, di nyu i-incorporate ng yung cost ng regular gasoline(whether unleaded, prenium,blaze/vpower), mga 300-500 pesos per month siguro for starting purposes daw..

ang di ko magets yung lpg+diesel---mixture: 70%diesel+30%LPG

i'm watching this thread also, basta related sa lpg running...di ko na kasi kaya ang 56+/L ng E10! and considering to get an carb-lpg kit muna

[speedlimit]

Most of car buyers now are aiming for a diesel vehicle, do you think that price of diesel will overtook the price gasoline in the near future because of demand? It is now happening in UK, will it happen here?http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=8630652

[wranglerboy]

sbi ng opismate ko who usually takes a taxi to work na sabi raw ng mga driver ng LPG powered taxis na isa daw sa napansin nila nang nag LPG na sila ay lagi daw silang nauuhaw... 22o kaya i2?

[pup2]

Personally, mas type ko diesel. Una, mas mataas ang efficiency. Pangalawa, palagay ko hindi pa tapos ang potential ng diesel/crdi technology. Just the fact na malaki ang performance gap ng euro crdi at other diesels means malaki pa ang potential for improvement. Pangatlo, less combustible ang diesel at mas madali/mas safe i-store at gamitin.

Pang apat, mas madali i-source ang diesel alternatives maging problematic man ang sourcing nito. Panghuli, at pinakaimportante sa lahat, kung mababawasan ng super laki ang gumagamit ng gasolina, dapat dumagdag ang gagamit ng diesel para dumami ang by-product na LPG at huwag tumaas ang presyo nito.

[ghosthunter]

sbi ng opismate ko who usually takes a taxi to work na sabi raw ng mga driver ng LPG powered taxis na isa daw sa napansin nila nang nag LPG na sila ay lagi daw silang nauuhaw... 22o kaya i2?

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It is not true. It is simply the long hours of driving behind the wheel that makes anyone thirsty, might it be LPG, gasoline or diesel fueled vehicle.

This has been answered many times before in the LPG thread. It is strongly suggested that you read that to avoid any common answer that have been asked and answered dozens of times over.

[tidus1203]

Most of car buyers now are aiming for a diesel vehicle, do you think that price of diesel will overtook the price gasoline in the near future because of demand? It is now happening in UK, will it happen here?http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=8630652

Dunno kung diesel will surpass gas in price. Pero I am 100% sure the price gap between diesel and unleaded will shrink in the future if the oil executives I talk to are not lying to me. RIght now its at P6-P7 right? I wouldn't be surprise if 2 years from now the price difference is only P2 or P3. Many other countries have diesel more expensive than unleaded already... But since diesel is subsidized here it might take a while for the true market forces to assert itself.

[1D4LV]

Most of car buyers now are aiming for a diesel vehicle, do you think that price of diesel will overtook the price gasoline in the near future because of demand? It is now happening in UK, will it happen here?http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=8630652

if it is happening in other countries, it will also happen here in the philippines for our economic trends rely on western countries. not only that, its also possible because of the high demand for diesel in industrialized countries.

[shadow]

for me if you're buying a new car then go for diesel...pag used car na then you can have it converted to LPG na...

[ragsak]

Clean burn daw ang LPG, so no sediments in engine oil. Tutuo kayang less frequent ang change oil with LPG?
Just for comparison - New Ford engines are serviced only every 100,000 miles sa US. How about LPG powered cars?

[ghosthunter]

Clean burn daw ang LPG, so no sediments in engine oil. Tutuo kayang less frequent ang change oil with LPG?
Just for comparison - New Ford engines are serviced only every 100,000 miles sa US. How about LPG powered cars?

It is said you can reduce the oil change frequency by half when you are running on auto-lpg (if you do an oil change every 5000km before, you can now do it every 10,000km).

But personally, I still run the same oil change schedule as when I was still on petrol.

[welscua]

Dunno kung diesel will surpass gas in price. Pero I am 100% sure the price gap between diesel and unleaded will shrink in the future if the oil executives I talk to are not lying to me. RIght now its at P6-P7 right? I wouldn't be surprise if 2 years from now the price difference is only P2 or P3. Many other countries have diesel more expensive than unleaded already... But since diesel is subsidized here it might take a while for the true market forces to assert itself.

I agree with this. In fact my South African Boss told me he bought a diesel SUV almost 2 years ago because diesel was cheaper during that time; but now he is paying more compared with gasoline. Mas malaki na ang demand ng diesel sa world market compared with gas because industries are using diesel and not gasoline. Isa pa, about LPG, may mga gas field na sa middle east (ex. abu dhabi) na yung dating sweet gas nila ay nagiging sour gas na dahil sa increase of H2S gas (acid gas). So to extract LPG they need to install de-sulphur plant which in turn will drive the LPG price higher in the future. Kaya para makatipid ang abu dhabi sa gas ay nag-import pa sila from Qatar and binebenta nila yung gas nila sa world market at higher price.


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