Altis 1.6G, Mazda 3 1.5, Eco Sport Trend AT or Civic 1.8S

**jut703** · April 30th, 2014 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by _Cathy_

I recently got the 2014 Altis and I am very happy with the super smooth ride and CVT

I chose Honda 2nd because I find it as the next reliable brand to Toyota

I am admittedly a Toyota fan.

Curious lang, between the Civic and Mz3, why do you see the Civic as more reliable?

The FD had aircon and clutch issues, while the 1st and 2nd gen Mz3 had none. The FB is also Thai-built, while the new Mz3 is CBU Japan.

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**ZENMasterTYL** · April 30th, 2014 12:31 PM

toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.

**JohnM** · April 30th, 2014 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by ZENMasterTYL

toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.

Altis 1.6V
Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
kerb weight: 1,265 kg
power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
kerb weight: 1,254 kg
power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence?

). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.

**Egan101** · April 30th, 2014 02:03 PM

Figures from Honda brochure:

Honda Civic FB 1.8S AT
Curb weight: 1,228 kg
power: 141ps at 6,500rpm
torque: 177Nm at 4,300rpm

The Civic FB is lighter than the Altis 1.6G and Mazda3 1.5V. The 2.0L Civic weight is just a few kg heavier (1272) than the Altis 1.6G. However, you get more output and torque with the Civic over the same rpm band.

**Egan101** · April 30th, 2014 02:16 PM

From Ford EcoSport brochure:

EcoSport Trend AT
Curb weight: none indicated
power: 110 ps at 6,300 rpm
torque: 142 Nm at 4,500 rpm

**JohnM** · April 30th, 2014 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

Curb weight: none indicated

Kahit sa site ng Ford PH wala.

Ford Australia - New EcoSport - Specifications & Options
1,289 kg for the Titanium

**germs** · April 30th, 2014 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by JohnM

Altis 1.6V
Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
kerb weight: 1,265 kg
power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
kerb weight: 1,254 kg
power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence?

). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.

Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D

**JohnM** · April 30th, 2014 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by germs

Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D

Numbers don't tell the whole story I agree. It's like comparing a 36-24-34 manang vs a slightly curvier hayop animal :naughty2:

**Egan101** · April 30th, 2014 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by JohnM

Kahit sa site ng Ford PH wala.

1,289 kg for the Titanium

110hp/142Nm hauling that much weight, not a good idea for fuel efficiency. I don't know what other similar scenarios we can think of but more like a late 90s era midsize car (1200-1300kg) powered by an engine from a subcompact car.

**Albastru** · April 30th, 2014 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by germs

Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D

Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, the SkyActiv engine's 13.0:1 compression ratio means it burns less fuel compared lower compression vehicles so it does not really affect the performance, only the fuel economy.