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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    I recently got the 2014 Altis and I am very happy with the super smooth ride and CVT I chose Honda 2nd because I find it as the next reliable brand to Toyota I am admittedly a Toyota fan.
    Curious lang, between the Civic and Mz3, why do you see the Civic as more reliable?

    The FD had aircon and clutch issues, while the 1st and 2nd gen Mz3 had none. The FB is also Thai-built, while the new Mz3 is CBU Japan.


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    #22
    toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.

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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by ZENMasterTYL View Post
    toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.
    Altis 1.6V
    Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
    kerb weight: 1,265 kg
    power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
    torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

    Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
    kerb weight: 1,254 kg
    power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
    torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

    3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence? ). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.
    Last edited by JohnM; April 30th, 2014 at 12:58 PM.

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    #24
    Figures from Honda brochure:

    Honda Civic FB 1.8S AT
    Curb weight: 1,228 kg
    power: 141ps at 6,500rpm
    torque: 177Nm at 4,300rpm

    The Civic FB is lighter than the Altis 1.6G and Mazda3 1.5V. The 2.0L Civic weight is just a few kg heavier (1272) than the Altis 1.6G. However, you get more output and torque with the Civic over the same rpm band.

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    #25
    From Ford EcoSport brochure:

    EcoSport Trend AT
    Curb weight: none indicated
    power: 110 ps at 6,300 rpm
    torque: 142 Nm at 4,500 rpm

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    #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    Curb weight: none indicated
    Kahit sa site ng Ford PH wala.

    Ford Australia - New EcoSport - Specifications & Options
    1,289 kg for the Titanium

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    #27
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnM View Post
    Altis 1.6V
    Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
    kerb weight: 1,265 kg
    power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
    torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

    Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
    kerb weight: 1,254 kg
    power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
    torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

    3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence? ). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.
    Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D

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    #28
    Quote Originally Posted by germs View Post
    Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D
    Numbers don't tell the whole story I agree. It's like comparing a 36-24-34 manang vs a slightly curvier hayop animal :naughty2:

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    #29
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnM View Post
    Kahit sa site ng Ford PH wala.

    1,289 kg for the Titanium
    110hp/142Nm hauling that much weight, not a good idea for fuel efficiency. I don't know what other similar scenarios we can think of but more like a late 90s era midsize car (1200-1300kg) powered by an engine from a subcompact car.

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    #30
    Quote Originally Posted by germs View Post
    Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D
    Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, the SkyActiv engine's 13.0:1 compression ratio means it burns less fuel compared lower compression vehicles so it does not really affect the performance, only the fuel economy.

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