Honda Integra DC5 or 2009 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0 (entry variant)

[zap.FREEDOM]

I just want to compare and get some relevant facts and data about this two sportscar from this thread.

Let the battle of H and H sportscar begin.

[renzo_d10]

Sainyo na yung Genesis Coupe. Integra DC5 ftw !







Call me a Honda fanboy all you want but I'll enjoy every second when I am with this car.

[regaia]

Is the Integra a converted unit? if so then I highly suggest not to get it. Remember your'e getting a front-wheel drive sports car there's too much stress in the steering components with so much torque going to the wheels. Just recently a friend of mine got into an accident when the steering column of the Evo that he was riding on broke. Remember your safety should never be compromised.

With that said, I'll probably go with the GC. The Integra is a beautiful car countless hours of need for speed definitely affirmed that the sound that a VTEC makes is heavenly (but the "pssshhtt" of the BOV is equally good as well) hehe However, as far as I know it was never release in our market thus making replacement part quite rare to find and since I presume that it would be a second hand car then there would be a need to replace parts in the near future if not now. Good luck in finding parts. On the other hand, the GC would be newer and would not require any replacement in the components of the car. Furthermore, the GC would at least have part-support of the local distributor and with the number of GC that I see around there would probably be parts in banawe in the future (fingers crossed). Although at present, most members of the GC club gets their aftermarket goodies abroad (damn them! they have too much money!)

[niky]

There are left-hand drive Integras. And you can get one converted properly with original left-hand parts from the US, if it isn't LHD.

If this were GC V6 versus Integra, GC all the way.

But we have the DC5 versus the 2.0T. The DC5 is faster on the racetrack, is just as fast in a straight line, is nimbler, better looking... etcetera. Most importantly, the gearshift is way better.

The GC 2.0T is a mildly massaged Theta engine, based on architecture shared with the Mitsubishi 4B11. It has decent potential, but it's not built as stoutly as the EVO variant of the engine. The K20, on the other hand, is a very mod-friendly engine. It revs well, it take boost well, it takes breathing mods well. And it's as bulletproof as a modern engine can be. The B16 and K20 have sometimes been likened to the Chevy smallblock... they're compact, power-dense and easy to work on. This is why tuners everywhere swap K20s into everything, and why they use it in the hardcore Ariel Atom.

Simply no contest.

[foresterx]

i'd take the GC because it's newer,looks better in my opinion and available locally which will be a lot easier to maintain and find parts also not converted which means less problems. both cars are slow anyway and i'd rather have a RWD than a FWD, sorry but the only FWD car i'll ever consider owning is the mazdaspeed3. not a honda hater but the only honda i find interesting is the s2000 and NSX, never was a fan of SiR. sorry if i sound arrogant but once you experience the power of a real spotrs car you'll just laugh at the guys saying "VTEC just kicked in yo!":bwahaha:

[Starex_Gold]

Call me a Honda fanboy all you want but I'll enjoy every second when I am with this car.

Fanboy!

Dun ka sa HCP! Kopal hahaha!

[regaia]

FYI, the stock internals of the GC 2.0T are reportedly able to withstand up to 300 to 350 wheel horse power (not crank) before needing replacement with forged ones. A stock 2.0T would approximately have 170 ~ 190 whp.

[zap.FREEDOM]

Is the Integra a converted unit? if so then I highly suggest not to get it. Remember your'e getting a front-wheel drive sports car there's too much stress in the steering components with so much torque going to the wheels. Just recently a friend of mine got into an accident when the steering column of the Evo that he was riding on broke. Remember your safety should never be compromised.

With that said, I'll probably go with the GC. The Integra is a beautiful car countless hours of need for speed definitely affirmed that the sound that a VTEC makes is heavenly (but the "pssshhtt" of the BOV is equally good as well) hehe However, as far as I know it was never release in our market thus making replacement part quite rare to find and since I presume that it would be a second hand car then there would be a need to replace parts in the near future if not now. Good luck in finding parts. On the other hand, the GC would be newer and would not require any replacement in the components of the car. Furthermore, the GC would at least have part-support of the local distributor and with the number of GC that I see around there would probably be parts in banawe in the future (fingers crossed). Although at present, most members of the GC club gets their aftermarket goodies abroad (damn them! they have too much money!)

what about a fully mod GC 2.0T, how much hp it can obtain, because I just saw this in the net from autoindustriya Page 2 « The Master: Honda Civic EG I guess this is a full-spec/mod k20a, got 275whp.

Although at present, most members of the GC club gets their aftermarket goodies abroad (damn them! they have too much money!)

oo, bigtime talaga yan mga taga-GC club Philippines. Si sir.Charl, president ng GC club ang importer nila ng mga aftermarket goodies sa abroad, like GC emblem, aftermarket tailight, lip, grille etc.

[niky]

Speedlab has done a local Civic K20 turbo... 250 whp, stock engine, modest boost. If you're looking at beat-the-s***-out-of-it reliability, you're looking at the 300-350 whp range.

BUT... there are guys with Type-Rs doing 300-400 whp on stock internals... some even have 500 whp. The record on the stock bottom end is around 600++++ whp . That's on stock pistons and rods designed for high compression high rpm running.

The K20 is fully up there with the 4G63 in terms of power potential. In fact, it's likely a better candidate for turbocharging than even the venerable SR20, which has the same potential but not the same revvability.

Going the other way, you could build a naturally aspirated K20 with bolt ons for around 220 whp... which would be pretty fun to drive... rev.rev.rev.rev.

Is the K20 a better motor than the GC 2.0T? Hell yes. No doubt.* Only problem is you still have to buy the turbo hardware, plumbing and tuning equipment separately.




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*Of course, if the next-gen GC 2.0T has upgraded internals to handle the extra power stock and can be boosted to 700 whp on the bottom end, I'll change my tune.

[renzo_d10]

what about a fully mod GC 2.0T, how much hp it can obtain, because I just saw this in the net from autoindustriya Page 2 « The Master: Honda Civic EG I guess this is a full-spec/mod k20a, got 275whp.



oo, bigtime talaga yan mga taga-GC club Philippines. Si sir.Charl, president ng GC club ang importer nila ng mga aftermarket goodies sa abroad, like GC emblem, aftermarket tailight, lip, grille etc.

With the weight of the EG Civic, 275whp is already A LOT and it's very very fast.

H3Autoworks have done several monster vehicles, for one, their SOHC Turbo EG clocked at 5xx whp. But that's something already difficult to handle. Actually, a 270whp+ turbo vehicle that's pretty small such as the EKs and the EG, gives you a hard time to drive especially when the turbo spools. I remember when Ramon Bautista said that his EVO-3 inspired itlog was a pain in the ass to drive whenever the turbo spools. And it's just clocking at 260whp. More often than not, it just needs a little bit of getting-used-to.

Who needs 700whp here on the Philippines, really? If ever I'd get a project vehicle, which will definitely be a Honda -- since it has a lot of potential. I'd ensure myself that the farthest I'd go would be 250whp tops for an N/A and 350whp tops for a FI vehicle. As long as everything is tuned properly, I'm pretty sure I could easily beat wannabes along the road.

For circuit racing, usually it's not the horsepower that's important. Being victorious boils down to the ability of the driver to take corners at very high speeds. I remember when one Toyota owner have beaten several 4AGEs just by using his modified SOHC 2E carb. However, on a drag race, usually FIs have the upper hand due to the immense torque numbers it usually carries.

Going back, usually it all ends up with the driver's preference -- looks that is. I'd still pick an All-motor vehicle, though. Would love to have that BOV sound but maintenance between the NA and the FI, usually the NA gets the victory.

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To add: Though drifting looks fun, I don't really get the point of doing it. You're just wasting your tires without getting victorious in the process -- unless you join an event of course. Unlike drag racing, you could let your opponent kiss your car's ass when you've beaten him. And, with the GC the Traction Control would be your bestfriend. Turn it off then might as well say goodbye to yourself too.

[Syuryuken]

Sainyo na yung Genesis Coupe. Integra DC5 ftw !

Call me a Honda fanboy all you want but I'll enjoy every second when I am with this car.

kopal ka talaga

[renzo_d10]

kopal ka talaga

Go go go HCP !

[regaia]

I agree with what Renzo said. First plan what your HP goals are before moding, its pretty easy to mess with the driveability of a car by slapping on all the mods that you could buy. For me, I'd rather have a mildly modded car which I could control at the limit rather than a fully modded car that would be too powerful to drive. Some of my friends are actually discontent after making a mod (change engine) because the car is just too hard to drive hehe

BTW, because of the weight and dimensions of the GC it can handle hi-speed easily. In fact, above 60kph the suspension characteristics of the GC seems to change, as stated by my friends "dumadapa".

* Renzo drifitng might not be for everybody, it's pretty similar to playing golf. Your real competition is yourself. The satisfaction in it is being able to take corners at speed while the rear is sliding without crashing hehehe driving alone with a cup of water on the dash trying not to spill a drop of water and a crate of tofu at the rear is optional

is it just me or has this thread turned to K20 vs. RS Theta? Anyway, TS what are your considerations? Integra wins hands down when it comes to the capability of the engine to take modifications.

[renzo_d10]

Sabihin nalang natin, laro siya ng mga mamayaman. Indeed I enjoy watching cars do their thing, such as Ian King going around the downhill/uphill curves of some mountain using his modded 5-series. And his Corvette powered-BMW burn its tires. :naughty2:

[Starex_Gold]

Modded E39 ///M5 kamo :naughty2:

[GTi]

In this country, you don't really have the roads to enjoy a 500-600hp car, except perhaps for SCTEX during non peak hours. Around 300-350hp for this sort of car is already more than fast enough. I'd say you get the car that you feel more comfortable with at 300+hp, invest more on suspension mods, and drift to your heart's content in Kennon road!

[regaia]

yep, grabe umubos ng gulong yung BMW ni Ian hehe umuulan tire dust (not brake dust! mind you ). Dapat nga me warning pag siya yung nag drift eh "Drifing is cancerous" hahaha. His BMW is definitely a tire monster. I believe its engine is an LS1. But his car is more of an exception most of the drift set ups I know are running only 200 ~ 300 whp pero malakas pa din kumain ng tires haha

Katakot mag drift sa kenon haha bangin na yung katapat mo tapos gayahin mo pa si Takumi yung halos tatama na yung bumper mo sa barrier hehe

[niky]

If you want a real chick magnet, get a MINI. Chicks not only want to be seen in it, they want to drive it. It's cute!

Also expensive to own... it is, after all, a BMW. At least the resale value is fantastic.

I agree with what Renzo said. First plan what your HP goals are before moding, its pretty easy to mess with the driveability of a car by slapping on all the mods that you could buy. For me, I'd rather have a mildly modded car which I could control at the limit rather than a fully modded car that would be too powerful to drive. Some of my friends are actually discontent after making a mod (change engine) because the car is just too hard to drive hehe

If you're going with the GC, this should be mission priority. Driveability. The stock Genesis Coupe suspension is really not that great. The rear end is too soft and too wayward. It needs stronger bushings and upgraded shocks, at the very least, to stabilize it enough for proper high speed driving or drifting. This is not something you'll have to deal with on the DC5.

Personally... if we're talking useful on-road drifting here... I have a soft spot for the MX-5. While yes, it would take a lot more work to make more power with it than the GC, it is a lot more intuitive to drive quickly and to drive sideways. The only thing is it lacks the power to hold lurid slides... and the extra grip from the new Bridgestones makes it a bit snap-happy.

That's part of what's so fascinating with the Toyota 86 project. They're going with mild Micheline Pilot Preceda tires, simply to make the edge of oversteer more gradual and slides more controllable. And with the smaller size versus the GenCoupe and most other sports cars out there, you're not going to spend as much in tires...

[Starex_Gold]

If you want a real chick magnet, get a MINI. Chicks not only want to be seen in it, they want to drive it. It's cute!

Based on our yellow Mini named Teddy