2nd hand car for 1M budget

[marv25]

Hey guys.
I just wanted to ask your opinion on what 2nd hand car I should get for a budget of 1 million.

Looking at an SUV or crossover - Already have a sedan and a van.
1 million budget - because if over 1M, might as well get brand new nalang for a little more.

Here are my priorities from highest to lowest:
1. Reliable - having owned Hondas, Nissans and Toyotas, this is a must. We tend to keep our cars until they're 10 years old or more.
2. Comfortable - I've heard the fortuners' ride is harsh? Been in a Montero and the ride was acceptable.
3. Enough power
4. Fuel efficient - anything over 6-7km/l in the city is fine
5. maintenance - shouldn't be too difficult to maintain, parts shouldnt be too expensive


here are my current options:

1. Mitsubishi Monterosport - would prefer the more powerful 3.2 GLS SE or the 2.5 GLS-V VGT (if it fits the budget)
2. Honda CRV (3rd gen) - 2.4 AWD variant
3. Fortuner? - harsh ride?
4. ?

I'm leaning towards the Montero, the 2008-2009 ones. Is it a good choice?

Any other suggestions guys? I'm from Cebu btw so 2nd hand cars here are a bit more expensive than in Manila.

Thanks!

[lowslowbenz]

2 Nissan Patrol Safaris.

The extra money you save will go to maintenance.

:D

[Red Advent 04]

montero o fortuner bro..

[viper888]

2010 2nd gen. Kia Sorento?

[Syuryuken]

2012/2013 Ford Everest AT
2012 Kia Sorento

[jhnkvn]

I won't recommend the gas-variant of the Montero Sport. I will suggest you go for the diesel counterpart for the low-end RPM torque figures. Gas savings of diesel versus gasoline is offset by the higher maintenance cost of diesel engines. However over the long-term, the diesel variant will have a lower overall operational cost versus the gas variant.

For the CRV, try to go for their FWD 4x2 variant rather than the top-of-the-line AWD transmission. The AWD transmission will always eat into your fuel efficiency figures since throwing power to all four wheels is less efficient than just putting power on two. The 2.0 is fine for your everyday car and since it has the chassis of a car, it will be more comfortable than your Montero and Fortuner which are truck based ladders. Handling is fine and steering was responsive. It kinda drives like an elevated and less well-cushioned Accord actually.

The Fortuner will have a bit firmer ride versus the Montero. However, if the Montero's ride quality is acceptable for you then the Fortuner should also pass your standards.

My recommendation will be the older-2nd generation (2007-2013) Hyundai Sta. Fe and its sibling, the Kia Sorento. As with the CRV, it has a car-platform (in this case, the older Hyundai Sonata) which guarantees you better comfort. The 2.2L diesel is more than enough for your city and highway driving while parts is relatively abundant thanks to Hyundai's rising reputation in the country. Parts will not be as abundant as Toyota or Mitsubishi's but part sourcing should not be a problem.

I pretty much chose that one since it's the most practical given your budget. I thought about throwing the Subaru Forester in but the Sta. Fe is more roomy, is easier to source parts, and more fuel efficient thanks to the diesel. Reliability-wise, the XT variant's turbocharger is also questionable as well as its 96-octane minimum fuel requirement.

The Nissan Safari will be out-of-reach if you plan on going for the newer ones. The 90s go for less than half your budget though and will make an excellent off-road everyday car. Part availability isn't as hard as you think it is either. Still, it's old and I'm not too sure if the wife will appreciate driving one.

If not for the SUV requirement, a secondhand Toyota Camry will be my pick and even more so if you have a driver to ferry you around.

After purchase of 2nd-hand car and deeming it good and drivable, I will recommend the following "upgrades":

1. Get a new tint - tints doesn't last forever and a fresh tint will keep your car from being an oven inside. While it's easy to ascertain whether the paint condition is good, tint condition is harder.

2. Get a retrofit - one is that your halogen lights will eventually die on you since it's already used so might as well get a shiny new projector assembly and a HID to go with it. Not only will it serve you for years to come but you have added visibility on the road for your own safety.

* Tip: If you're looking for Gary's options and cash-strapped, the Stage 2 will be the sweet spot.

3. Get leather-seats - this is a luxury option but good quality leather seats screams "upscale!!" for people riding in them. Cleaning is also easier compared to their fabric counterpart.

Disclaimer: We own a Montero and a 3rd-gen CRV. I have already ridden in the Fortuner and Sta. Fe enough times to give me a glimpse of what they do.

[monkeybone1k]

I think the answer is already in your inquiry. Goodluck!


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[K.I.L.L.]

How old is the oldest you'd want the car to be?

[Ponkan]

Pajero? pero sa current choice nyo sa CRV ako

[marv25]

Thanks for the replies guys!

2 Nissan Patrol Safaris.

The extra money you save will go to maintenance.

:D

Actually, a relative offered to sell us his 2003 Patrol 4x2 A/T for 650k. It was very well maintained, and it was very tempting. But it's already 10 years old and problems are sure to come. I also heard of problems with the ZD30 engine.

2010 2nd gen. Kia Sorento?

I really like the look of the Sorento and the engine seems powerful on paper. But is it already as reliable as the Japanese cars? Reliability is a must talaga for me. I'm a bit doubtful because I know a few people with a 2008 up Sorento and parati nasa casa.

I won't recommend the gas-variant of the Montero Sport. I will suggest you go for the diesel counterpart for the low-end RPM torque figures. Gas savings of diesel versus gasoline is offset by the higher maintenance cost of diesel engines. However over the long-term, the diesel variant will have a lower overall operational cost versus the gas variant.

For the CRV, try to go for their FWD 4x2 variant rather than the top-of-the-line AWD transmission. The AWD transmission will always eat into your fuel efficiency figures since throwing power to all four wheels is less efficient than just putting power on two. The 2.0 is fine for your everyday car and since it has the chassis of a car, it will be more comfortable than your Montero and Fortuner which are truck based ladders. Handling is fine and steering was responsive. It kinda drives like an elevated and less well-cushioned Accord actually.

The Fortuner will have a bit firmer ride versus the Montero. However, if the Montero's ride quality is acceptable for you then the Fortuner should also pass your standards.

My recommendation will be the older-2nd generation (2007-2013) Hyundai Sta. Fe and its sibling, the Kia Sorento. As with the CRV, it has a car-platform (in this case, the older Hyundai Sonata) which guarantees you better comfort. The 2.2L diesel is more than enough for your city and highway driving while parts is relatively abundant thanks to Hyundai's rising reputation in the country. Parts will not be as abundant as Toyota or Mitsubishi's but part sourcing should not be a problem.

I pretty much chose that one since it's the most practical given your budget. I thought about throwing the Subaru Forester in but the Sta. Fe is more roomy, is easier to source parts, and more fuel efficient thanks to the diesel. Reliability-wise, the XT variant's turbocharger is also questionable as well as its 96-octane minimum fuel requirement.

The Nissan Safari will be out-of-reach if you plan on going for the newer ones. The 90s go for less than half your budget though and will make an excellent off-road everyday car. Part availability isn't as hard as you think it is either. Still, it's old and I'm not too sure if the wife will appreciate driving one.

If not for the SUV requirement, a secondhand Toyota Camry will be my pick and even more so if you have a driver to ferry you around.

After purchase of 2nd-hand car and deeming it good and drivable, I will recommend the following "upgrades":

1. Get a new tint - tints doesn't last forever and a fresh tint will keep your car from being an oven inside. While it's easy to ascertain whether the paint condition is good, tint condition is harder.

2. Get a retrofit - one is that your halogen lights will eventually die on you since it's already used so might as well get a shiny new projector assembly and a HID to go with it. Not only will it serve you for years to come but you have added visibility on the road for your own safety.

* Tip: If you're looking for Gary's options and cash-strapped, the Stage 2 will be the sweet spot.

3. Get leather-seats - this is a luxury option but good quality leather seats screams "upscale!!" for people riding in them. Cleaning is also easier compared to their fabric counterpart.

Disclaimer: We own a Montero and a 3rd-gen CRV. I have already ridden in the Fortuner and Sta. Fe enough times to give me a glimpse of what they do.

Thanks for the long and thorough reply. Appreciate it!

Yup, as for the Montero, I'm eyeing the diesel ones. They sip fuel at around 10km/L which is pretty good for me. The torque is great too.

For the CRV, actually the main reason I'm looking at the AWD 2.4 variant is because of the additional features like auto-leveling HID, climate control, leather, and the front grille actually looks better on the AWD. An added bonus for me is that the 2.4 engine feels very lively and powerful. I've driven the 2.0 and it was fine, but there's a part of me wanting a bit more. As for the FC, I've gathered from forums that it does 7-8km/L in the city. I also test drove one before and the FC computer returned 7.2km/L. That's good enough, but more would be better.

I've heard from someone who has vertigo that while the Fortuner's ride would make him vomit in less than a kilometer, the Montero's ride is fine for him. Still haven't felt it first hand though.

Tha Sorento and the Santa Fe are both really appealing to me. They both look good, and the engines are powerful. I've also heard from many that it's very comfortable. However, my first priority is reliability. Are they already as reliable as the Japanese counterparts? I have a 10-year old Honda Civic and it has been to Bacolod many many times (I'm from Cebu- 5 hour drive). It's been to Bantayan Island too. It even climbed an unpaved road up to a small mountain. I still use it everyday, and until now, only minor repairs have been done. That's the kind of reliability I want---need. Do these two have this kind of reliability? Especially when they get old?

Subaru Forester? I think only the 2.5T is worth getting. Way out of budget, and parts availability is questionable.

Actually thought of getting a 2003 Patrol (see my reply above), but I'm scared of the ZD30 engine issues especially since its a 10 year old car.

Also seriously considered getting a 2008 Camry. Test drove it and everything was great. But in the end we decided that we don't need a sedan since we already have the Civic. The Camry would not be happy going on long road trips on bumpy roads too.


I'm actually leaning towards the ladder-frame SUVs rather than the crossovers since we already have a small van which is a bit like a crossover already. Also the bigger SUVs will do better in floods, and in occasional out-of-town trips. But theres no denying that the ride is just better in the crossover.


As for the upgrades, I'll keep those in mind after buying. Which reminds me, that whatever car we get must have leather seats. No big deal since leather seat covers could always be added anyway.

If I may ask, since you do own both a Montero and CRV, could you compare the two when it comes to drivability? and maintenance?

Thanks again!

How old is the oldest you'd want the car to be?

We keep our cars for as long as it doesn't give too much headaches. We have a 12 year old car that's in a very good condition. Can still use it everyday and it's reliable. No plans of selling it.

[confused shoes]

With the choices in your list and I have an easy 1M at hand, I will get a brand new. Konti na lang deprensya. Baka maka tsamba ka pa ng second hand na nabaha.

[leodawesome]

^ I agree with this. Konting ipon nalang brand new na. Or why not finance the remaining? Magaling na kasi magtago ng flooded cars ngayon, Not unless you will be buying from a trusted source.

EDIT: If you are really decided to get a pre-loved, I want to also suggest the Mazda CX-9. Fits the bill, except for fuel efficiency.

[k0mpressor]

Since you're from Cebu, I suggest you get Kia off your list as there is an existing thread regarding the possible incompetence of Kia's service center in Cebu.

[marv25]

Pajero? pero sa current choice nyo sa CRV ako

Theres a 2005 Pajero I've seen for sale. 900k. A bit too old, and I don't like the interior.

With the choices in your list and I have an easy 1M at hand, I will get a brand new. Konti na lang deprensya. Baka maka tsamba ka pa ng second hand na nabaha.

^ I agree with this. Konting ipon nalang brand new na. Or why not finance the remaining? Magaling na kasi magtago ng flooded cars ngayon, Not unless you will be buying from a trusted source.

EDIT: If you are really decided to get a pre-loved, I want to also suggest the Mazda CX-9. Fits the bill, except for fuel efficiency.

Actually, that was the plan at first. 1.5M+ for something brand new. But then, being practical and all, I'm thinking that 500k+ in savings is a lot. Some of the cars we've had were 2nd hand, bought from someone we know. Like-new condition, half the price. Pretty good deal IMO. Just find a really good unit for a good price and check everything including maintenance records and etc. There was a 2008 2.4 AWD CRV with 16k mileage verified by casa, accessories, and generally like new - for only 750k. Decided to get it na when the owner suddenly decided not to let go of his baby.

So now I'm still hunting. I've gone to see some , but I havent liked any of them yet. Some of them had lots of scratches, some were really dirty, others punit-punit na yung upholstery and may mga dents pa. I'm in Cebu naman so no Ondoy cars basta Cebu unit. I also make sure casa maintained and verify it sa casa. There were actually really good units for sale for a really good price pero the car dealers get them in the blink of an eye then add 200k to the price. Tiyaga lang talaga sa paghahanap ng good unit. No rush anyway.

If I still cant find one, baka nga brand new nalang.

Since you're from Cebu, I suggest you get Kia off your list as there is an existing thread regarding the possible incompetence of Kia's service center in Cebu.

Noted. Thanks.

[Calistro]

Brand new innova for the TS. Fits all the requirements (comfort is subjective heheh) but it ain't an SUV.