2nd Gen Fortuner vs MUX

[Lakwatsero]

Yes I've driven the MUX and its engine is nowhere as refined as the competition at any rev range.

I understand the concerns on longevity, although I noticed that people only raise the concern for the Everest with its 2.2L 160hp engine. If you look at HP/liter, the Everest makes 73 HP/L while the Montero makes 75 HP/L yet noone bats an eyelash about its low displacement, high output nature. Also, Isuzu also employs a 1.9L 150HP engine on its MUX and that makes 79 HP/L.

I'm sure back in the day there were also naysayers who were doubting the high output of CRDi engines over their old-school counterparts. Save for a few misses like the Trooper's 4JX1, CRDis have generally been a big leap forward.

Now with more advanced VGTs, manufacturers are able to make more power and torque from smaller engines, so "overstressed" is really relative once you consider the tech involved. For this reason I'm not really concerned that the Everest has a smaller displacement than the rest of the bunch.

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Appreciate your time spent to draft long well though out replies, very rare to engage in discussions nowadays, mostly just one liners.

I'm one of those willing to sacrifice some refinement in exchange for peace of mind. And it's not output per unit displaced that's the issue, more just the 2.2L being so small for such a heavyweight vehicle. Was it the Everest 300 kg heavier than the rest? Montero's the lightweight in the segment, and the attention is all on the ugly butt lol.

But point taken on the new Isuzu 1.9L being even smaller. It's just a wait-and-see affair if these smaller engines are gonna last. But as the saying goes, there's no replacement for displacement.

[hi-tork]

I, together with my wife, have driven the new Fort, MU-X (except for the 1.9), and the 2016 Montero GLS Premium. We chose the Montero. It's very quiet, powerful, and very fast aside from having good looks as well. PLUS points also for the safety features which the MU-X have.


I'm one of those willing to sacrifice some refinement in exchange for peace of mind. And it's not output per unit displaced that's the issue, more just the 2.2L being so small for such a heavyweight vehicle. Was it the Everest 300 kg heavier than the rest? Montero's the lightweight in the segment, and the attention is all on the ugly butt lol.

But point taken on the new Isuzu 1.9L being even smaller. It's just a wait-and-see affair if these smaller engines are gonna last. But as the saying goes, there's no replacement for displacement.[/QUOTE]

[Egan101]

^^^ Engine displacement does not make a big difference when turbocharging comes into play. Some engines with small displacements make more power than what most of these PPV diesel engines can produce.

[hi-tork]

^^^ Engine displacement does not make a big difference when turbocharging comes into play. Some engines with small displacements make more power than what most of these PPV diesel engines can produce.

I, together with my wife, have driven the new Fort, MU-X (except for the 1.9), and the 2016 Montero GLS Premium. We chose the Montero. It's very quiet, powerful, and very fast aside from having good looks as well. PLUS points also for the safety features which the MU-X have. And it's tail light looks good for me. It adds to its safety features especially at night.

[Egan101]

^^^ Not questioning your choice, sir. It's good that you are happy with your purchase. I am just merely stating the fact that turbocharging can make significant changes in output compared to the advantages offered by a bigger displacement.

[hi-tork]

I am so sorry sir for sending my message with your message attached. it shouldn't be that way. I was only sharing my experience based on the thread: 2nd Gen Fortuner vs MUX.....since the Everest was in included in the previous posts. Again, am so sorry sir.

[Egan101]

I am so sorry sir for sending my message with your message attached. it shouldn't be that way. I was only sharing my experience based on the thread: 2nd Gen Fortuner vs MUX.....since the Everest was in included in the previous posts. Again, am so sorry sir.

No problem, sir! Popular these vehicles nowadays have become and they are a favorite among Pinoy families. The choice though is primarily driven by the preference of the buyer.

[StockEngine]

And it's not output per unit displaced that's the issue, more just the 2.2L being so small for such a heavyweight vehicle. Was it the Everest 300 kg heavier than the rest? Montero's the lightweight in the segment, and the attention is all on the ugly butt lol.

But point taken on the new Isuzu 1.9L being even smaller. It's just a wait-and-see affair if these smaller engines are gonna last. But as the saying goes, there's no replacement for displacement.

If you dont know how the 2.2 fares...

Ford uses the same 2.2 on their transit minibus that seats 18persons.

The 2.2tdci has been used for many years for commercial purposes.

[MigeLlacuna]

di ko magets kung bakit big issue yung ingay ng muX. am i the only one here to play music when driving?

[jut703]

di ko magets kung bakit big issue yung ingay ng muX. am i the only one here to play music when driving?

Same reason that people are fussing over the drum brakes of the Fortuner. People on the internet just love fussing over the little things.

Even with music on, the MUX isn't as refined to drive as the newer competition.

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[Janemar]

If you dont know how the 2.2 fares...

Ford uses the same 2.2 on their transit minibus that seats 18persons.

The 2.2tdci has been used for many years for commercial purposes.

Baka naman naka gtr or veyron si sir lakwa, eh talagang underpowered talaga ang 2.2 at lalo na ung parating na 1.9 kasi maliit ang displacement daw po...

Ford Transit Review & Buyers' Guide 2012 - YouTube

[StockEngine]

Ayun payload of 1600kg. How many dead bodies pwede ilagay dyan hehehe. Payload ng mga pickup around 1000kgs

Diesel power

[GTcervan]

Not sure kung may nakakapansin pero one thing to note sa MU-X compared sa competitors is yung capacity ng gas tank, though hindi halata dahil matipid nman sya. Ito yung sa specs na kasama lahat ng PPVs:

Mu-x: 65ltrs
Montero: 68ltrs (70ltrs previous mdl)
Trailblazer: 76ltrs
Fortuner: 80ltrs
Everest: 80ltrs (I might be wrong about this one though)

The question is....bakit di pa ginawang 76ltrs yung sa MU-X tulad ng sa TB since same naman sila ng platform? Para kasing maliit ang 65ltrs for this kind of suv pero IMHO lang ha. Kasi mas better if bigger pa ang tank nya than that, at least 70ltrs para mas useful if may long trips, etc. Not sure if same ang case sa mga pickups nila.

[Janemar]

Not sure kung may nakakapansin pero one thing to note sa MU-X compared sa competitors is yung capacity ng gas tank, though hindi halata dahil matipid nman sya. Ito yung sa specs na kasama lahat ng PPVs:

Mu-x: 65ltrs
Montero: 68ltrs (70ltrs previous mdl)
Trailblazer: 76ltrs
Fortuner: 80ltrs
Everest: 80ltrs (I might be wrong about this one though)

The question is....bakit di pa ginawang 76ltrs yung sa MU-X tulad ng sa TB since same naman sila ng platform? Para kasing maliit ang 65ltrs for this kind of suv pero IMHO lang ha. Kasi mas better if bigger pa ang tank nya than that, at least 70ltrs para mas useful if may long trips, etc. Not sure if same ang case sa mga pickups nila.

Around 85 total siguro sa eve since nakapag full tank ako dati 81L tapos may tira pa kaunti laman.

Anyway, im getting 900-920km range every full tank on my 2.2L.

Some will argue, nakakabili naman extra fuel tank. For example, sa everest may available na bolt on kit ang ARB 150L fuel tank. Meron din siguro available for MuX.

[minicarph]

Not sure kung may nakakapansin pero one thing to note sa MU-X compared sa competitors is yung capacity ng gas tank, though hindi halata dahil matipid nman sya. Ito yung sa specs na kasama lahat ng PPVs:

Mu-x: 65ltrs
Montero: 68ltrs (70ltrs previous mdl)
Trailblazer: 76ltrs
Fortuner: 80ltrs
Everest: 80ltrs (I might be wrong about this one though)

The question is....bakit di pa ginawang 76ltrs yung sa MU-X tulad ng sa TB since same naman sila ng platform? Para kasing maliit ang 65ltrs for this kind of suv pero IMHO lang ha. Kasi mas better if bigger pa ang tank nya than that, at least 70ltrs para mas useful if may long trips, etc. Not sure if same ang case sa mga pickups nila.

bakit 76 hindi 75

[GTcervan]

Around 85 total siguro sa eve since nakapag full tank ako dati 81L tapos may tira pa kaunti laman.

Anyway, im getting 900-920km range every full tank on my 2.2L.

Some will argue, nakakabili naman extra fuel tank. For example, sa everest may available na bolt on kit ang ARB 150L fuel tank. Meron din siguro available for MuX.

Ah if nasa 85ltrs yung tank ng eve, edi almost on par na pala sya sa pajero which has 88ltrs.

Yung sa ranger 80ltrs eh kaya naisip ko na same din sila ng sa everest.

About sa add-on or replaceable tank, I think adequate na yung 80ltrs for that kind of suv. Lol parang overkill na yung 150ltrs, which can be massive and very heavy pag puno ng krudo kaya baka maging strenuous lang sa engine and therefore, tataas din ang fuel consumption. 100ltrs siguro baka pwede pa.

bakit 76 hindi 75

Yun yung based sa specsheet ng tb eh pero nakakapagtaka na di pa ginawang same ng isuzu sa suv nila, given na same platform naman yung dalawa.

[Janemar]

Ah if nasa 85ltrs yung tank ng eve, edi almost on par na pala sya sa pajero which has 88ltrs.

Yung sa ranger 80ltrs eh kaya naisip ko na same din sila ng sa everest.

About sa add-on or replaceable tank, I think adequate na yung 80ltrs for that kind of suv. Lol parang overkill na yung 150ltrs, which can be massive and very heavy pag puno ng krudo kaya baka maging strenuous lang sa engine and therefore, tataas din ang fuel consumption. 100ltrs siguro baka pwede pa.


Yun yung based sa specsheet ng tb eh pero nakakapagtaka na di pa ginawang same ng isuzu sa suv nila, given na same platform naman yung dalawa.

Di mo masabi, sa atin di justifyable since bawat kanto or bayan may gas station naman unless picky ka sa crudo na gusto mo ikarga kaya baka nga di justifyable.

Depende sa target market pero sa ibang bansa like Africa, South America, Thailand and Australia bitin pa ang 150L add on tank since nasa outback sila or cross country ka, walang gas station or matino dun for 1000 of kms kaya neccesity sya..

[vvti2.0]

Di mo masabi, sa atin di justifyable since bawat kanto or bayan may gas station naman unless picky ka sa crudo na gusto mo ikarga kaya baka nga di justifyable.

Depende sa target market pero sa ibang bansa like Africa, South America, Thailand and Australia bitin pa ang 150L add on tank since nasa outback sila or cross country ka, walang gas station or matino dun for 1000 of kms kaya neccesity sya..

Dalawa pagpilian mo, bili ka bestank para sa krudo at ilagay sa bubong or painstall ka tow hitch at hilahin mo bestank.

[GTcervan]

Di mo masabi, sa atin di justifyable since bawat kanto or bayan may gas station naman unless picky ka sa crudo na gusto mo ikarga kaya baka nga di justifyable.

Depende sa target market pero sa ibang bansa like Africa, South America, Thailand and Australia bitin pa ang 150L add on tank since nasa outback sila or cross country ka, walang gas station or matino dun for 1000 of kms kaya neccesity sya..

Yun lang, yung scarcity kung sakaling andyan pero depende pa rin. Kasi pag sobrang laki mahirap yan pagkasyahin sa PPVs.

Pero still, sa MU-X hindi ko maintindihan kung bakit nasa 65ltrs lang siya compared sa competition. Yung sa Monty, baka ginawa nila 68ltrs para mas bawas sa curb weight.

Dalawa pagpilian mo, bili ka bestank para sa krudo at ilagay sa bubong or painstall ka tow hitch at hilahin mo bestank.

Saludo ako sayo, kuya! Kaya idol kita dito sa tsikot eh... xD

[minicarph]

actually eto pinagpipilian ko eh MUX LS-A AT vs Montero GLS Premium. pero have you seen the resale value of the crosswinds as well as the XUV sa facebook groups. grabe wala din pala resale value ang Isuzu.

I have compared the resale value of the ADventure and the Crosswind XUV sa Facebook. di'ba mas mura ang Adventure sa SRP vs. the Crosswind. pero pag binenta ng used, same price or minsan mas mababa pa CRosswind, even the XUV version. tapos yun adventure dami comments and likes sa facebook, crosswind madalang

i wonder if like 3-5 years from now, the MUX will suffer same fate on the used market vs The Montero.