2016 Honda Jazz 1.5VX (CVT) and 2016 Hyundai Accent Hatch 1.6 (A/T)

[chance]

Their price is comparable... Just need your advised guys..
This will be used Mon-Fri for 4 adults on board from Marikina to Makati CBd.

1. Is there a big difference on fuel costs if I choose the Jazz.
2. Does the maintenance of diesel powered is quite expensive for the Accent.

Thanks.

PS... i was just informed that during the DOE fuel testing, the Jazz and Accent
was almost the same in terms of km./liter...

[intoxic8]

I'm no car expert but if they're almost the same in km/liter then the diesel powered accent will yield better savings since diesel is cheaper than gas.

Example if there's a 10 peso difference between diesel and gas prices, then you automatically saved a 100 pesos every 10 liters.

Now this savings may offset by the maintenance costs of the diesel accent. By how much? I'm not sure though as I have no idea about the maintenance costs of the diesel powered vehicles...

Let's wait for others to butt in..

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[dct]

I'm no car expert but if they're almost the same in km/liter then the diesel powered accent will yield better savings since diesel is cheaper than gas.

Example if there's a 10 peso difference between diesel and gas prices, then you automatically saved a 100 pesos every 10 liters.

Now this savings may offset by the maintenance costs of the diesel accent. By how much? I'm not sure though as I have no idea about the maintenance costs of the diesel powered vehicles...

Let's wait for others to butt in..

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Ang napansin ko rin sa gas vs diesel, pag mabigat ang karga, malakas na kumain ang gas. Maybe because the torque of diesel?

[jut703]

I'm no car expert but if they're almost the same in km/liter then the diesel powered accent will yield better savings since diesel is cheaper than gas.

Example if there's a 10 peso difference between diesel and gas prices, then you automatically saved a 100 pesos every 10 liters.

Now this savings may offset by the maintenance costs of the diesel accent. By how much? I'm not sure though as I have no idea about the maintenance costs of the diesel powered vehicles...

Let's wait for others to butt in..

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Diesels are more expensive, but in the long run they come out cheaper.

Compare the Accent 1.4 GL (gas) and 1.6 GL CRDi:

668k vs 748k. Assume that the gas will do 9 km/L while the diesel will do 25 km/L. Gas prices are at P38/L, diesel is at P26/L. You travel 15000 km a year.

Fuel expense for the gas Accent: 15000 / 9 * 38 = 63.3k/yr

Fuel expense for the diesel Accent: 15000 / 12 * 26 = 32.5k/yr

So you will recoup the difference in 2.5 years.

Maintenance is roughly the same, except that the diesel uses more oil (6L vs 4L iirc). Turbos break down between 100-200k km if they're not taken care of properly. But I know many people with high mileage turbo diesel engines that haven't had to replace anything aside from the usual oil and filter changes.

Also important is that the diesel is much more fun to drive compared to its small-engined gas counterpart. The Accent diesel has so much torque that it's very lively even at low speeds or with a full load. It's even faster than most 1.6 compacts.


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[jut703]

Their price is comparable... Just need your advised guys..
This will be used Mon-Fri for 4 adults on board from Marikina to Makati CBd.

1. Is there a big difference on fuel costs if I choose the Jazz.
2. Does the maintenance of diesel powered is quite expensive for the Accent.

Thanks.

PS... i was just informed that during the DOE fuel testing, the Jazz and Accent
was almost the same in terms of km./liter...

1. Yes the Accent will come out cheaper in terms of fuel expenses. Roughly 30k per year savings in fuel alone.

2. Maintenance is only slightly more expensive because the Accent uses more oil (6L vs 4L). Oh, and Hyundais also have 5000 km PMS intervals while Hondas only require maintenance every 10,000. Still, the fuel savings far outweigh the additional maintenance cost.

The Accent is also cheaper 898k vs 928k. Personally though, I think the Jazz has a much better interior and exterior design. Handling is also better, and the suspension doesn't sag as much with a full load. More features too.

Ultimately, the Jazz is the better car, the Accent is the more practical car. Good luck.


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[Egan101]

I would go with the Jazz on this comparison.

[unmarked]

practical advice:

Kung tatagal ung kotse sayo, better get the accent diesel. at least ung gastos sa maintenance ma offset ng tipid sa diesel at FC.

kung hindi tatagal, Jazz nalang. pakikinabangan mo ung resale value at popularity ng honda at jazz name plate.

tatagal meaning > 5 years or more.

ultimately i test drive mo. paminsan all bets are off once na matipuhan mo ung isa.

[CVT]

I have not driven any of the current offerings of the Jazz and the Accent Hatch CRDi.

The Jazz for me, is unquestionably one fun car, based on my ownership and limited driving experience of an earlier model....

However, the Accent Hatch is something I fell in love with instantly; and with the plus CRDi engine,- would be much more fun and practical thing to drive these days, I would imagine.

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[jaypee10]

go for diesel engine.tipid kana at mas matagal pa aabutin ng tsikot mo.ako 15 years ako sa gas engine kaso sinawaan din ako after 2-3 years may mararamdaman kanang kakaiba sa engine mo.sabi mo nga daily service ng 4 adults.

[jut703]

I've owned both gas and diesel fed cars and I prefer the high-revving experience of gas engines, at least for small, manual transmission cars.

Nakakabitin for me yung 4000 rpm palang wala nang power. I enjoy shifting at 6000 rpm. I also don't like the lag of most turbo diesels vs naturally aspirated gas engines.

Most people though prefer diesels because there's so much midrange power they think they're so much faster than gas engines (the reality is that a gas engine with the same horsepower at its peak powerband of about 5500 rpm will be just as fast).

What I like about diesels is that they're torquey so they don't feel bogged down even when fully loaded (while in a gas-fed car each passenger makes the car feel significantly slower). Also, since much of the power is available at lower rpms, there isn't much of a fuel consumption penalty even if you drive it hard compared to a gas engine.

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[lowslowbenz]

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[chance]

How big of a difference would the fuel cost really be between the gas and diesel engines? The car's daily trip from Monday - Friday would be from Marikina to Makati and back, during both morning and evening rush hour.

To paint a picture of what the car's going to be used for, it's going to be driven by my son and daughter for their daily trip to work. One would be working for the first time; the other has been working for eight years. They'll both be pitching in on the cost of their daily drive without our help. Parking will also be costly. This is why practicality is a huge factor in this purchase decision.

However, I must admit that, as juts703 put it, the Jazz really is the better car. Its seats are a lot better (I find the Accent's rear seats uncomfortable, to be honest, for rear passengers). We also like the way it looks; it's a car we think will age nicely.

But, at the end of the day, the deal-breaker seems to be the amount of savings from the kind of fuel the car will use up.

We have yet to decide how big of a premium we're willing to pay for fuel costs of the Jazz over the Accent. But more or less, this is our line of thinking - if the difference in the Jazz and Accent's fuel costs is small enough, we are likely to pursue the Jazz.

Greatly appreciate everyone's help on this.

[red_one]

If you plan to keep the car for a long time (5+ years) and will be travelling long distances (15,000+ km per year), then it is fine to get a diesel car.

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[Walter]

A diesel car is better but it depends on the brand. How many old diesel Hyunda Accents are still running compared to the Honda Jazz?

For long term ownership, the Honda Jazz would be a better choice.