Toyota Wigo G AT or Mitsubishi Mirage GLX CVT or Hyundai i10 GL FL AT

[tin06]

Good Day tsikoteers! Planning to purchase a new car this december and these three are my options. Pros and Cons for each would be great.

I'm actually leaning more on the Wigo AT kasi pasok sa budget but willing to stretch a bit more up to 560k basta automatic. pero sabi ng tito ko hindi daw maganda yung wigo because it only has 3 cylinders, which is not a problem to me. Pero wala naman masama kung makikinig sa iba. Hehehe. I know that the mirage has only 3 cylinders pero mas better daw because of the 1.2 displacement. Hyundai i10 not sure if 4 or 3 cylinders? Anyway hindi po Grand i10 yung tinutukoy ko ha. Hope you can help me decide.

And also another question power windows na po ba pati sa rear yung sa mirage and i10 na 2014???

Thank you po and more power.

[dr. d]

if you are wary of 3 cylinders, you might stretch your budget and get a basic vios, or basic honda brio...
hyundai i10 has a 4 cylinder variant, but its price is already within the vios ballpark.

i shunned from the manual wigo, because my big feet kept bumping into each other. i got the AT instead.

another possibility is, get a slightly used 4 cylinder car. there are a lot of them priced below 500K.

[tin06]

if you are wary of 3 cylinders, you might stretch your budget and get a basic vios, or basic honda brio...
hyundai i10 has a 4 cylinder variant, but its price is already within the vios ballpark.

i shunned from the manual wigo, because my big feet kept bumping into each other. i got the AT instead.

another possibility is, get a slightly used 4 cylinder car. there are a lot of them priced below 500K.

Vios would be a great choice pero mas prefer ko sana na automatic yung sasaktan and Vios AT is way out of my budget. Ayoko naman po ng second hand car. I'm scared of getting a flooded or not properly maintained unit.

[1D4LV]

Good Day tsikoteers! Planning to purchase a new car this december and these three are my options. Pros and Cons for each would be great.

I'm actually leaning more on the Wigo AT kasi pasok sa budget but willing to stretch a bit more up to 560k basta automatic. pero sabi ng tito ko hindi daw maganda yung wigo because it only has 3 cylinders, which is not a problem to me. Pero wala naman masama kung makikinig sa iba. Hehehe. I know that the mirage has only 3 cylinders pero mas better daw because of the 1.2 displacement. Hyundai i10 not sure if 4 or 3 cylinders? Anyway hindi po Grand i10 yung tinutukoy ko ha. Hope you can help me decide.

And also another question power windows na po ba pati sa rear yung sa mirage and i10 na 2014???

Thank you po and more power.

i dunno. but looks wise, i prefer the Wigo. Features wise, Mirage is better.
Hyundai i10 has 4 cylinders, imho.
Have you also looked at the Kia Picanto?

[jut703]

The Wigo is still a very appropriate car for people on a tight budget. For 500k you get a brand new car already with everything a newbie driver needs.

The Mirage for me is a better car but is also more expensive - if you can afford it, go for it. I'd get a Mirage GLX over a Wigo G, because it looks better (as long as you upgrade the hideous steel rims), is more efficient, and offers more performance.


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[lowslowbenz]

In the long run, the car with a 4 cylinder engine will always be the best choice.

Whatever that might be.

[jut703]

In the long run, the car with a 4 cylinder engine will always be the best choice.

Whatever that might be.

Why so? The inherent imbalance of a 3-cylinder for a 4-stroke cycle is usually countered by stronger engine mounts. In my experience with the Mirage, it's not at all bothersome when it comes to NVH. It just sounds different, but not any noisier than an ordinary 4-cylinder and still quieter than any diesel (even the ultra-quiet Hyundai R-eVGT).

In the long run, even if these mounts break down, they're not all that expensive to replace.

I think the benefits are greater than any drawbacks especially for use in minicars. 3-bangers are lighter, smaller, and with less internal friction. Production costs have also gone down considerably since volume has increased drastically over the past few years. Thanks to the advancement of 3-cylinder engines, efficient and affordable city cars like the Mirage will proliferate even more.


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[lowslowbenz]

^

That is now. Very subjective, everything new and all that.

In the long run, we'll see.

[jut703]

And that's always the difference between early adopters and those who wait for technology to mature.

Take CVT for example, when it first came to prominence in the 2000s, not everyone liked it, and with good reason (Honda CVT issues, poor performance, etc). But fast forward to today, CVTs are so mature that they're gonna drive out conventional automatics within the next decade.

I think the same has happened with 3-cylinder engines. Noone wanted to dabble with them previously because it was an inherently unbalanced layout. Now, they've overcome this disadvantage and are able to produce 3-cylinder cars that are cheaper, more efficient, and lighter than 4-cylinder cars.

Naysayers will always wait it out until it becomes so mainstream because of the risk of maintenance concerns in the future, but if nothing goes wrong, those who adopt early will get to enjoy the benefits of this new technology several years before anyone else does. With the stellar sales of the Wigo and Mirage, looks like the 3-cylinder is on the fast track to becoming a mainstay on our local roads.


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[dr. d]

i don't understand..
if the 3 cylinder is unbalanced, shouldn't the 4 cylinder be even more unbalanced?
and the inline 6, be even more unbalanced?
and the air-cooled VW boxer engine should be balanced?
somehow, i think the explanation of "unbalanced" still is waiting to be explained to us laymen..

[jut703]

i don't understand..
if the 3 cylinder is unbalanced, shouldn't the 4 cylinder be even more unbalanced?
and the inline 6, be even more unbalanced?
and the air-cooled VW boxer engine should be balanced?
somehow, i think the explanation of "unbalanced" still is waiting to be explained to us laymen..

Maybe this can help doc: http://jalopnik.com/why-2014-will-be...p-b-1509972833

Basically, because there are 4-strokes but only 3 cylinders, it isn't balanced. For a 4-cylinder, each cylinder is in one of the 4 strokes of the cycle (intake, compression, power, exhaust).

In other words, 4-bangers have inherently less vibration than 3-cylinder engines.


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[lowslowbenz]

OT:

i don't understand

A little bedtime read

Engineering Explained: The Pros And Cons Of Different Engine Types


BTT:

I second on budget stretch, and get a brand new Vios.

[jut703]

If you're getting an AT, get the Mirage.

The Wigo in automatic isn't as economical as the Mirage with its CVT. Aside from the efficiency advantage, the Mirage also has more power which would be useful if you find the need to carry 4-5 passengers and/or cargo.

Madali maglagay ng accessories but mahirap palitan ang engine kaya Mirage gets my vote even if the Wigo has a bit more toys.


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[seymorebutts]

nagtataka lang ako about 3 cylinders, suzuki has been using them since the early 80's(?), early versions of jimny's are 3 cylinders, may nakikita pa ako nagbebenta, yung mga suzuki carry na ginagamit sa water station, so para sa akin hindi issue yang 3 cylinder

BTT: mirage CVT

[dr. d]

nagtataka lang ako about 3 cylinders, suzuki has been using them since the early 80's(?), early versions of jimny's are 3 cylinders, may nakikita pa ako nagbebenta, yung mga suzuki carry na ginagamit sa water station, so para sa akin hindi issue yang 3 cylinder

BTT: mirage CVT

personally, my issue with the available cars with 3 cylinder engines, is their power, or lack thereof..
kapag nasanay ka na sa mas malaking engines, ay medyo bitin ka sa 3 cylinders..
they're not really vibratious on level roads.. mine actually sounds like a sewing machine..

[seymorebutts]

personally, my issue with the available cars with 3 cylinder engines, is their power, or lack thereof..
kapag nasanay ka na sa mas malaking engines, ay medyo bitin ka sa 3 cylinders..
they're not really vibratious on level roads.. mine actually sounds like a sewing machine..

yup, given na yan sa specs nung sasakyan, if you are looking for one, check everything on the specs

nag react lang ako kay "tito", he may have provided some reasons why

[tin06]

yup, given na yan sa specs nung sasakyan, if you are looking for one, check everything on the specs

nag react lang ako kay "tito", he may have provided some reasons why

Actually wala siyang binigay na reasons sa statement niya kasi parang nabadtrip na yung kapatid ko sa sinabi niya. Hehe. Ang point naman kasi ng younger brother ko is it's a brand new unit and should be worry free for the next 3 years or so if properly maintained. After nun hindi na kumibo yung tito ko.

[jut703]

personally, my issue with the available cars with 3 cylinder engines, is their power, or lack thereof..
kapag nasanay ka na sa mas malaking engines, ay medyo bitin ka sa 3 cylinders..
they're not really vibratious on level roads.. mine actually sounds like a sewing machine..

As long as the engines are of the same displacement, they should deliver roughly the same amount of power. A Mirage makes 65 hp/liter, same with the Vios, the Wigo is just a very tiny bit lower at 64 hp/liter.

Displacement is computed as (Pi/4) x bore^2 x stroke x number of cylinders. The Wigo has a longer stroke 84mm vs 73mm on the Vios to make up for less cylinders.

3-cylinder engines just have the notion of being less powerful because manufacturers often use 3-cylinder engines for low power applications such as in city cars, while reserving 4-cylinder engines for their more expensive lineup.

The Fiesta Ecoboost's engine changes that though, thanks to its forced induction, you get 125 hp from a 1-liter engine. End result? 2014 Ward's 10 Best Engines and 2012-2014 International Engine of the Year.

The 1KR-FE, the VVTi version of the Wigo's 1KR-DE, also won in the sub 1-liter category for 4 straight years (2007-2010).

So yeah, the TS' tito is better than all these car awarding bodies so let's believe that 3-cylinder engines are crap.

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[shibby75]

Test drove a wigo a/t, very unrefined. Its not the 3 cylinder engine im talking about, its the harshness of the entire driving experience. Tranny whines as if your doing reverse evsn though your doing 20kph above. I can feel the brakepads grind thru the pedals. The noise intrusion is like a car from the 90's. It feels like the 1st gen alto i drove a few years ago.

I dont mind the 3 cyl vibration, maybe im just overwhelmed by harshness of the entire car. But then this car sits 3 normal size adult comfortably and its very very roomy, more room than a lovelife.

[niky]

That's why, for me, unless you're really gunning for the purchase price to slip below 500k, the Mirage is still the better buy.

I must say... I find the MT variant peppy. If I had driven that one for my test drive instead of the AT, I wouldn't have been so sour of it on our Drives review. The AT has such incredibly long gears for the paltry amount of power it has that it's not funny.