Options for 4x4. Needs to be affordable. Brand New vs. 2nd hand?

[ram_dlsu]

Hi Guys,

Need your opinions on this. We have a property in a hills area here in Cebu and the only way to go up the steep and narrow roads is through a 4x4. Our Altis and Jazz can't do it and if it does they will probably really really have a hard time (might be dangerous too). So the main question is: Whats an affordable 4x4 brand new or is it better to get a 2nd hand one? How much should we expect to budget for this? We're thinking of selling the Altis to have capital in getting the 4x4. Requirements for the Car is that it cant be not too big since it will be used mostly in the City with occasional trips to the Hill Lot. Fuel Efficient though I've heard 4x4s tend to be more thirsty. What candidates we've thought of are: Subaru XV, 2nd hand CR-V or RAV4 or Forrester. Our budget is max limit 1.4M but we'd really like something below 1M or 1M to be more feasible. So whats your take guys?

[GTi]

How steep and narrow? Care to post a pic?

Its very hard to find a proper brand new 4x4 with just 1.4M. At the moment I can only think of one.

Suzuki Jimny. 748k for the manual and the 845k for the matic. Cheapest brand new 4x4 you can find. Bloody fair deal? 1.3L engine is neither exceptionally fast nor fuel efficient, but it gets the job done. Puts to shame 4x4s twice or thrice its price when it comes to off-roading.

But then if you're getting 2nd hand, the possibilities are boundless!

If you want a 4x4 CUV, there are only few that can actually go off road. Consider the Suzuki Grand Vitara (2.0M/T is rare, but the rest are horribly thristy!) Suzuki Grand Vitara 06 4x4 Black Philippines - 11788241, Ford Escape 2.3XLT, or Nissan X-Trail 200X.

For a 4x4 pickup-based SUV, all of them are within reach. The Fortuner and Montero Sport would probably be the best choices due to their smaller size.

And then for a true midsize SUV, the CK Pajero is also within reach!

[renzo_d10]

If you're getting a 4x4, no use in getting a brand new with such a budget. Very limited choices IMO.

Don't like pick-ups? Like... pickups who surely has the ability to climb, descend and what not but still maintain the car-like ride feeling? The Strada & Navara comes to mind here. 2nd hand of course, they're fairly new anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.

Ditch the 2nd gen CRV idea and get the 1st gen instead if you're going the CUV route. It's easier on gas, has a decent ride and has quite a number of parts outside too.

But if you're leaning towards something newer, like 03 up.. then you're left with the ladder frame SUVs which, i think, would really fit the bill. Fortuner 3.0 4x4 comes to mind, then the Montero 4x4. But then between the two, yeah, they're new but I think you're better off settling with the Pajero FM instead. Trusted and proven throughout the years. Just.. get the local ones. No problems with imports but then, you have to really be picky if you're settling for converted units

[viper888]

If you want a brandnew car, I would recommend a subaru forester (base model)
1.4M and symmetrical awd is superior to whatever honda or kia make
Subaru Symmetrical AWD vs. Honda, Toyota, and Volkswagen - YouTube

You can get a previous gen forester for under 1M easily
Or a used strada 4x4 manual is also under a million
So is a used ranger

Or you can get a brandnew 4x4 ranger for under 1.2M (actually I'd rather get this) (Im not aware if you said it had to be an suv
Ford Ranger Offroad video - YouTube

[istan]

XV or Forester fits your bill.

[ram_dlsu]

Thanks for the input guys! Yah, mej ipit kami sa budget =S I'll try and post pix of the roads but its really a dirt road. gets muddy when it rains and only 1 car can pass at a given time. Oh yah , forgot to mention that we can't get a pick up since our garage is quite small. our Altis and Jazz have just couple of feet space to spare so getting a Pickup wouldn't fit in the garage.

So based on your opinions, best to get a 2nd Hand? So CR-Vs and RAV4s wont be a good idea? How much would a Forester and a Fortuner 2nd hand be around 4x4 ofcourse? How bout Tucson and Sportage ? are they capable of climbing?

[niky]

If it really needs to be 4x4, nothing in the price range is as capable as the Jimny. But then, the Jimny is overkill for a road that regular Jeepneys can pass.

A 4x4 pick-up would suit you much better, if you could get around the garage space issue.

For regular dirt roads, even 4x2 crossovers will do, but the suspension will suffer from the abuse. Something truck based, like an AUV (Crosswind... ) or a 4x2 Montero would do nicely.

[basti08]

If it's steep. Torque is what you need. If it's real off-roading, real time 4wd/torque transfer 4wd may not be as useful. Get full-time 4wd ones. Get circa 2009 Sorento. The last facelifted models have selectable 4wd with locking diffs (afaik) and a powerful 174ps 392NM 2.5L CRDi VGT and 5 speed AT (earlier Sorento has 145ps non VGT).






It's dimensions are tidy and has a very powerful engine for uphill climbing.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/vi...Position,1-1,1

There's one available in Mandaue for 650K, I think you might still be able to drag its price to somewhere around 600k. I think you might not even need to sell your Altis for this.

[GTi]

Ah, so garage space pala ang problema mo. I'd really like to see what sort of road that is. If its real steep and gets muddy when it rains, then I suppose you really do need 4x4, or at least a high torque 4x2 with all terrain tires and perhaps also an LSD.

The Tucson R e-VGT is 4x4 and fits your budget for brand new. But then it is not the sort of car I'd want to bring off road. Much like the CRV, I find this sort of AWD application more for augmenting on road handling and traction rather than mud plugging on the trails.

+1 on the 1st gen Sorento. Don't know if the version with the Grand Starex engine was available locally but even the one with the GRX engine is good.

[Ponkan]

vote ko 2nd hand pick-up or if you want CUV get one of these;

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mga gano ba kaputik saka ka steep un lugar sir?

[vinj]

What are the road conditions exactly? Rutted and dusty when dry and muddy when rainy? Steep? No drainages?

First, you have to determine if you really need 4-wheel drive or merely a high ground clearance vehicle along with good tires (A/Ts or M/Ts) can fit the job already. Personally I'd stay away from the CUVs such as the Rav4, CR-V, Sportage, Sorento if you're talking of roads with deep ruts and go for a real 4x4 pick-up (Strada, Hilux, Dmax, etc.) or second hand 4-wheel drive Fortuner/Monty/Everest.

Space? If you only need two cars in your garage then sell of one of the other cars, pangdagdag budget.

[yapoy86]

suzuki jimny na lang.. pwede pang harabas talaga at the same time cute pa kaya pwede din sa city.. maganda sa jimny yung under chassis nyan sobra tibay nyan

[basti08]

Ah, so garage space pala ang problema mo. I'd really like to see what sort of road that is. If its real steep and gets muddy when it rains, then I suppose you really do need 4x4, or at least a high torque 4x2 with all terrain tires and perhaps also an LSD.

The Tucson R e-VGT is 4x4 and fits your budget for brand new. But then it is not the sort of car I'd want to bring off road. Much like the CRV, I find this sort of AWD application more for augmenting on road handling and traction rather than mud plugging on the trails.

+1 on the 1st gen Sorento. Don't know if the version with the Grand Starex engine was available locally but even the one with the GRX engine is good.

GTi, I'm sure the later '07-09 (the one with amber turn signals upfront, like what I posted)1st gen Sorento has 174ps engine (earlier models 04-06 has 145ps engine). It was their answer to then new Montero with 165ps from 3.2L. Powertrain-wise, the Sorento has always been ahead of the competition. Now that the Montero has 178ps engine, they upgraded to 200ps and 6 speed matic. Still ahead.

[ram_dlsu]

Hey Guys,

here's pictures of some parts of the road. i hope the link works





So what you guys think would be good for these types of roads and climb ?

[GTi]

Relatively steep incline made up of soil and loose gravel. By the looks of it, 4x2s with big tires should have no problem climbing it, as long as it is dry. But yes, I see what you mean.

1st gen Sorento, Fortuner and Montero Sport for ladder frame 4x4s and Grand Vitara, Escape and X-Trail for CUVs.

[victorevolution]

basing on the photo and what you have stated, i agree with some of the member here who suggested the jimny it can haul you and more,

top choices

strada/hi lux - however, it wont fit your garage
montero/fortunner - same same plus budget except if you got the non vgt or 2nd hand

go brand new less hassle plus with warranty- under those road conditions toyota will fit the job basing on my warranty claim, palit lang sila ng palit with almost no question asked

in my humble opinion lakihan niyo muna garahe mo para di ka mastuck sa jimny lang

[111prez]

Looks like the roads to Guba ...... way back in the 80s

Then, an old school 4x4 Suzuki Beaver did the job nicely.

A Jimny, given your vehicle and garage specs, will do quite nicely.

[vinj]

Jimny with an slushbox (so you don't bother on burning your clutch) and a/t or m/t tyres. That is dangerous when it's raining as braking can make you slide down uncontrollably.

[anonemus]

Parang dyan sa Cebu road yung shoot ng Grand Vitara



But I agree, the Jimny seems to be what you need, price and garage space-wise.

[victorevolution]

add asx and cx5 if it fits your bill and garage