Avanza 1.3 J M/T (5 seater) or Vios 1.3 J M/T ... which would you choose?

[cktlcmd]

AVANZA ----- 1.3 J M/T (5 seater) ----- Php 593,000.00

VIOS -------- 1.3 J M/T --------------- Php 590,000.00

No particular purpose but for comparison since they are priced the same...which would you choose and why?

[ghosthunter]

Vios.

It's a better car.

Although the Avanza might have the same spec (similar engine, 4 wheels, five seater), it's not the same level of handling, comfort, etc of the Vios. The Avanza is literally a small AUV.

[meledson]

Depende sa needs. You can place more and heavier stuff sa avanza than the vios. But you get more comfort and slightly better FC sa vios.

if you are starting a family, I would recommend the avanza. Stroller pa lang haslos puno na ang trunk. Kung single, then go for the vios.

Depende talaga sa needs. I have kids so for me the avanza is the better choice. But I also did consider the vios.

[1D4LV]

for me it depends... you may really want to use the space in the future.

[alwayz_yummy]

depende...for me, avanza 1.3J 5-seater..mas useful than 1.3j vios...

[XTO]

I always prefer RWD over FWD and that's the Avanza.

[meledson]

I always prefer RWD over FWD and that's the Avanza.

I drive an FF Altis, sometimes an FF Jazz pero hindi ko ma feel ang difference ng FR na avanza?

In terms of handing, ano ang difference ng FF sa FR for an ordinary driver?

[XTO]

In a minor or medium force collision that resulted to joint damage, here we can see how expensive replacing an outer CV joint or worst axle (not a boot ha?) than with the most common McPherson strut type of the RWD Avanzas.

[basti08]

dati ganyan din ang dilemma namin. we went to picking the Vios J. better interior and ride.

[ronw123w124]

Depende yan sa purpose mo sa sasakyan, if its for transporting people only then the Vios would suffice, but if it will be used for hauling people AND cargoes at the same time then the Avanza would be the prudent choice. Being the fleet manager in our company, nagkaroon din kami ng discussion with the higher ups when the Avanza came out as to what car would be the better choice for the sales people in our company, we eventually agreed that the Avanza was the better choice since it can also double as a delivery vehicle for clients that would order small quantities but need our products in a hurry. So far we have 5 Gen 1 Vioses and 6 Avanzas (white). We intend to eventually replace our service vehicles into Avanzas in the future as we gradually dispose of older cars in the fleet like the big body and the lovelife Corollas.

[niky]

In a minor or medium force collision that resulted to joint damage, here we can see how expensive replacing an outer CV joint or worst axle (not a boot ha?) than with the most common McPherson strut type of the RWD Avanzas.

By the time you have a collision strong enough to damage the CV joints, your engine (Avanza or Vios) will be affected, the manifolds will be wrecked, the radiator destroyed, the aircon compressor on the Vios destroyed... alll engine accessories on the Avanza (since they're all at the front of the engine... the Vios's alternator is in the back)... Basically, you're looking at a 50,000-100,000 peso job at the casa, whichever among the two you're driving.... if you have a frontal collision that is sufficient to dent a drive axle... the entire front end of the car will be utterly destroyed...

Other than extreme cases like that, CV joints are part of normal maintenance. In a rear-wheel drive car with an independent rear suspension instead of a live-axle, you'll have the same issue.

The Avanza is only better in this regard because it has a live-axle, not because it's RWD. And that live axle is part of what limits ride comfort on the Avanza compared to the Vios. While the Vios has a rear torsion beam, the lighter weight of that versus a live-axle makes it easier to tune for ride comfort.

[ghosthunter]

Come on people... if the sole consideration you have is the cost of repair if and when you hit your front wheel against an immovable object...

In my many many years of driving, I have yet to damage a car in that way.

I find the collision repair bill consideration very pointless.

[meledson]

The K3-VE engine of the 1.3 Avanza was intoduced in Japan around 2000 and 2001. This was the Toyota Sparky.

You can almost see the similarities between the sparky and the avanza.



http://specs.amayama.com/toyota/sparky/2002_6/

Rebadged to Daihatsu Atrai:

[tidus1203]

There are still more FWD cars in the world and that design is still the dominant kind. Why? Its still the most practical and cost-effective setup for end users...

[eggman]

The Avanza is still the best choice kung marami ka laging sakay!

[ghosthunter]

Back to the question:

what if the sole portion hit is one of your front fender/wheel? i don't think the damage will go thru the engine, manifold etc. also, say both FWD and RWD got into a manhole at any speed? sensitivity of FWD will always be on top not to mention the type of road here

So based on what have been discussed, the above mentioned "concerns" are baseless because there is no advantage in either the Vios & Avanza.

[alwayz_yummy]

on my maintenance point of view (since ito ang pinagtatalunan nyung una)..since both are MT...as per experiece of having a MT nissan maxima, AT kia pride, MT trucks and AT-4wd delica and liteace....and now this AT awd xtrail 250...

on the MT: the labor on changing the clutch disc, pressure plate and release bearing is cheaper and easier on a RWD/ RWd-based 4WD vehicle than a FWD/FWD-based AWD one... kasi alisin mo lang prop-shaft, then down the tranny, madudukot mo na....

e sa FWD/FWD-based AWD, kailangan mo pang alisin ang axles...which means na dapat alisin mo ang wheels, brake assy, steering... so aside sa tranny, magpapa-camber-job ka ba!

pero ako pipili, the more versitile avanza ang pipiliin ko...lalo na 3000 lang difference... both are 1.3L hello, it is not designed for speed!

in my case, why xtrail 250x pa--kasi ako meticuloso sa interior features, gusto ko versitile, lalo na sa space....at siyempre spirited driver and seasonal offroader ako..so sa cSUV fits me..sayang lang walang MT 250x dito....

ang pangit lang sa avanza j-5seter is the cheap, almost bare interior, and avail only in white! pero kung avanza pinili mo, contakin mo lang any of the avanza club member, i know na meron sa kanila nagbebenta ng interior trimmings including power amenities..so it would be like the 1.5G's interior, only that, you seat 5 and 1.3L.....

[jaymd]

avanza would have probably less maintenance costs vs the vios outside the warranty period. RWD vehicles are also more durable. main reason why Front drives are popular is cheaper cost to manufacture another is interior space. as for the RWD and FWD debate sabi ng automechanics professsor ko dati nun 80's kaya daw nauuso na yun FWD is based daw yun sa horse drawn carriage nun araw. hila daw ng kabayo yun carriage di daw tinutulak. kaya dapat daw FWD hehe. mukhang high si teacher sa fumes ng premium leaded gasoline nun

[niky]

I'd still like to know what bearing the posts of forumers on another board have on this question. Especially since none of them have ever seen an AUV in their life...

Have you driven both cars? And not just a slow drive but a faster drive that would show how the two vehicles would show their different handling dynamics?

Or long enough to hear all the extra squeaks and rattles in the Avanza over the Vios? Or to hear the radio interference on the Vios caused by the engine?

If the TS seriously seriously needs a seven seater, the 1.3 Avanza isn't one... even when it is. The 1.3 engine can take the weight of seven passengers, but not well, and needs to be worked hard to climb hills with such a load... which negates any fuel savings you get from having the smaller engine. The 1.5 is a better choice in this regard. Much better... since it doesn't have an interior that looks like it came out of a 1980's FX.

If the TS is simply looking for an economical car with a 1.3 engine, the Vios is it. Seats five in comfort, has a big trunk. Has better resale value than the 1.3 Avanza.

If he needs a workhorse, better for him to get a secondhand Innova or Crosswind. Neither is quite as comfy as the Vios, but they're more rugged and fit for heavy-duty hauling. Though, to be fair, the Avanza third row is more comfortable than the Innova's tight rear end.

[ghosthunter]

Or long enough to hear all the extra squeaks and rattles in the Avanza over the Vios? Or to hear the radio interference on the Vios caused by the engine?

It was caused by interference with the headlights, as I remember...

We should get an award for discovering that one.