1990s 145-150bhp cars...

[niky]

Maybe my 626 GLXi is the updated one... from experience, it's at least 130hp... AFAIK, no catalytic converters, no US power penalty.
It's only in the US that the FSDE has ever been rated that low in EFI form.
As for the Alty, same reason... no US emissions penalty, full 145hp... in fact, even the 140hp SE-R version was not offered for sale in Cali in the late 90s due to emissions.

[niky]

For an idea of how bad US regs affect engines, the 2.0 Lancer was only 120hp when first released in the US. Mitsu just didn't have the budget to retune the non-MIVEC engine to bring it back to 140hp. Current SR20s, in direct ignition applications, are down to around 130+ hp only. The Ford Lynx RS is 'only' 140hp, but 150hp or so without cats, and easily 165hp or so with exhaust mods.

[Jun aka Pekto]

For an idea of how bad US regs affect engines, the 2.0 Lancer was only 120hp when first released in the US. Mitsu just didn't have the budget to retune the non-MIVEC engine to bring it back to 140hp.

When was the Lancer first released in the US? The non-turbo 2.0 Mitsubishi engine of the 1990 Eclipse made 135hp.

[al_motor]

SR18 ba yung 1.8 na altima? wouldn't it have a figure of about 130hp?

altimas are pretty fast, i chased one once en route to Subic raceway while driving a B16-powered EF hatchback...i wasn't pushing it but i knew while chasing it that the alty had a lot of power on tap. had we gone all-out, i knew it would put up a very good fight with my hatch.

[rayban7g]

CORRECTION:

7g VR DOHC = has 165hp ..not 163hp and vice versa
8g VR 2.5L SOHC = has 163 hp only! ..but higher torque ...obviously!

[momoyster]

among the vehicles listed above, the galant vr has the highest hp rating. unfortunately, torque is not one of its assets. thus, mahina ito sa acceleration compared to the other vehicles. it's a good revving engine though, given its 7500 rpm redline.

[rayban7g]

among the vehicles listed above, the galant vr has the highest hp rating. unfortunately, torque is not one of its assets. thus, mahina ito sa acceleration compared to the other vehicles. it's a good revving engine though, given its 7500 rpm redline.

...yup, bcoz it has a heavier body & engine.. albeit, it will outrun you in higher speed above 140kph and so!.. plus it can rev up to 8000 rpm,.. just imagine, a Japs V6 w/ that kind of redline,..tsk tsk tsk!!.. bihira meron nito nung kapanahunan niya.

[niky]

AFAIK, the Lancer has only been a few years in the US. And yeah, the engine made more power in the old NA Eclipse... but I think the new MIVEC 2.0 has a few of those horses back... maybe around 135hp or so.

[basti08]

momoyster,

torque is for pulling while HP is the one you are using for acceleration.

you have high HP, you definitely have a good acceleration.

that's why SUVs have high torque, their main purpose is for hauling stuffs.

rayban7g,

i stand corrected, i made a research and found out that i made a mistake 7g indeed have 165hp & 210NM of torque while 8g has 163hp & a higher 228NM of torque.

[theveed]

Want Torque? Get Diesel hehehe

[rayban7g]

Want Torque? Get Diesel hehehe

OT: agreeeeeee!! ...diesel version of hyundai accent & getz,.. small body + CRDi engine = MONSTROUS torque and acceleration!!! hehehe!

[momoyster]

basti, i stand corrected . i always thought it was the other way around. when we were about to buy our galant vr, we went to a nissan dealership to look at the cefiro which was just nwely introduced back then. the sales agent gave me a manual for nissan sales agents (supposedly for internal use only) wherein the altima, cefiro, galant vr, and the cefiro were extensively compared. sayang naiwala ko na, ang daming info dun.

[orly_andico]

niky,
only the 98+ 626 (GF body) has the FS-DE of the Lynx RS. the pre-98 626 has the FS-E (not distributorless).

as for the US spec 118hp of the FS-E (pre-98) you may be right there, the figure might be derated. the local FS-E has no catalytic converter and (might) have no EGR valve (the JDM FS-ZE has no EGR). both of these "features" reduce power substantially, as much as 10hp from the cat alone i believe.

[Flagg]

Kung m/t performance lang pinaguusapan, mga early 7g VRs would win hands down. Iwan lahat the cars mentioned, pati yung GTi (dunno about the VR4 though).

For looks though... GTi me, absolutely classic.

[orly_andico]

mitsubishi had this engine in the early 90's called the 6A10, a 1.6L V6 (the smallest production V6 in the world). in tuned but NA form it could put out 400+ hp.

the 7G galant V6 (and maybe the 8G?) uses the "big brother" of this engine, the 6A12 (2.0L V6).

[basti08]

the 6A12 also has a MIVEC version used in JDM Viento... stock it has 200hp.


see, that MIVEC is Mitsu's counterpart for Honda's famed VTEC, even the SiR's 1.6L 160hp has a Mitsu counterpart the 4G92MIVEC (in the Cyborg 167hp), so sad that while Honda's claiming out loud that their engines in stock form can easily dish out 100hp/liter...Mitsu's doing nothing to counter that even if they really have the weapons for a head to head competition.

[aceshark]

the 6A12 also has a MIVEC version used in JDM Viento... stock it has 200hp.


see, that MIVEC is Mitsu's counterpart for Honda's famed VTEC, even the SiR's 1.6L 160hp has a Mitsu counterpart the 4G92MIVEC (in the Cyborg 167hp), so sad that while Honda's claiming out loud that their engines in stock form can easily dish out 100hp/liter...Mitsu's doing nothing to counter that even if they really have the weapons for a head to head competition.

shy-type ang mitsu? medyo pa-humble. di ko nga alam kung bakit ganun honda e. oooppsss.. peace!

OT: tanong lang, alin mas nauna, Mivec or VTEC?

[basti08]

im not sure on this one... but infairness, im hearing those VTEC in 1990s EF Civic/Integras already... not sure about the MIVEC, what's important is that it exist...

bakit nga lang nga shy-type??? heheh

[aceshark]

bakit nga lang nga shy-type??? heheh

parang black-top ng toyota?

[niky]

Oonga... only the 98+ 626s had the distributorless system, but all 95' and up were still called FSDE instead of E.

Hmmmm.... Toyota black top? I once saw a 626 converted to ITBs with parts from the black-top. They somehow managed to mate the runners of the quad throttle 4AGE 20V to the FSDE... nice work... reportedly took months to perfect.