1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis

[dragon21]

Those are remarkable mileage figures. Now what about the Altis 1.6 automatic?

8-10 kms/l. mixed drive (Makati to Laguna). Aircon-on. Light foot.

I've limited experience with the 1.6 Altis but it's smoothness and torque delivery is similar to that of the 1.8's.

I agree. Toyota's 1.6E has better torque distribution translating to very smooth movement from stop to go, even when compared to Civic 2.0. But the CVT (1.5) though, is much smoother than Toyota's during shifting, although the former feels sluggish at 1k RPM to 2.5 k RPM. The car suddenly comes alive at 3k RPM. I've only driven a 1.8 Altis once, but I think 1.8 is a lot smoother than the 1.6.

The Civic 2.0 is also sluggish at low RPMs, acceleration from 120-140 kph is better when compared to its acceleration from 40-60 kph. VTEC perhaps kicking in... Grabe lang talaga sa gasolina, halos kalalabas ko pa lang ng subdivision, isang litro na kaagad...

Toyota is indeed an excellent, practical family car.

[van_wilder]

mine is a 2005 civic at, heavy foot driving ako... 8-9km/l masaya na ako... dati sa car ko 4-5km/l lang ako eh

[squala]

2ZZ-FE ata yung 1.6 engine ng Altis, then yung sa Celica 1ZZ-GE. Same engine din ito sa Martix, Corolla XRS at Lotus Elise.

[an0nim0us]

2ZZ-FE ata yung 1.6 engine ng Altis, then yung sa Celica 1ZZ-GE. Same engine din ito sa Martix, Corolla XRS at Lotus Elise.

OT yata pero heto po ang alam ko sa mga current Toyota Engines:

1zz fe ('izzy') 1.8L has a VVT-i (FE) head, 2wd rav4, 1.8g and 1.8e altis and Celica (US). This is the low HP, high torque engine - excellent for daily driving and fuel economy.

2zz ge ('duzzy') 1.8L has a VVTL-i (GE) head, USDM - Corolla XRS, Celica, Lotus Elise. no locally available car here has this engine. This is the high HP, hi-rpm engine, redlines at 8,300rpm to unleash the 170/180 ponies from the stock configuration.

3zz fe 1.6L has VVT-i (FE) head, 1.6J 1.6E Altis, Configuration is similar to the izzy.

BTW - 1.8G gives about 8-10 km/L City and 13-15 km/l hiway. high range with heavy speaker box and 15in rims, low range uses 17in rims. with some hard overtaking and some O.D. while doing so = )


Some more info - http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20...tech_notes.htm

[finchy18]

ganda pala ng engine noh?

[squala]

Too bad we don't get the USDM look, but at least the technology is promising.

[orly_andico]

13-14km/L highway for an altis 1.8G seems just about right. is that an auto or a manual?
got back from baguio over the weekend, 11km/L (going up) and 12km/L (coming down). 2.0L manual, decade-old engine

[squala]

Sayang naman they didn't come up with a 1.6 GE head. The Blacktop, if I'm not mistaken, was the best mass-produced high-powered 1.6. I really wish they improve on it even more.

[orly_andico]

is that a manual or an auto? forgive my ignorance, is there even a manual 1.8G?

[niky]

AT lang ang 1.8, AFAIK. If they brought in the manual, it could go even further on the gas. The 1.8 is a good engine, if not exactly as powerful as Toyota claims it to be... in C!'s latest 0-100 kph test, it could only do 0-100 in 11.2 seconds. The supposedly weaker Sentra 180GT and Lancer 1.8 MX both did it in under 11. Other "135" to "140" HP cars like the Lynx RS AT (in Taiwan), the Mazda3 2.0R, and the Focus do it in around 9 and a half.

The Honda has been tested to do it under 9, but that's 155hp. The Lynx RS MT does it in 8.3.

Again, the 1.8 G Altis engine is really smooth and good at fuel conservation, but it's not 145hp. More like 120.

[squala]

AT lang ang 1.8, AFAIK. If they brought in the manual, it could go even further on the gas. The 1.8 is a good engine, if not exactly as powerful as Toyota claims it to be... in C!'s latest 0-100 kph test, it could only do 0-100 in 11.2 seconds. The supposedly weaker Sentra 180GT and Lancer 1.8 MX both did it in under 11. Other "135" to "140" HP cars like the Lynx RS AT (in Taiwan), the Mazda3 2.0R, and the Focus do it in around 9 and a half.

The Honda has been tested to do it under 9, but that's 155hp. The Lynx RS MT does it in 8.3.

Again, the 1.8 G Altis engine is really smooth and good at fuel conservation, but it's not 145hp. More like 120.

I never thought the Sentra and Lancer 1.8 can outrun the Altis 1.8. The Lancer may have the most advanced gearbox but I used to think its engine is weaker. How did C! test it anyway? I remember in their previous 1.6 comparisons that some cars had exactly the same 0-100 time (as in to the hundredths). Now is that possible?

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Better check yours first having given yourself that handle.

[niky]

My cousin has a 2001 1.6 AT Altis. Same thing... battery lang napalitan so far.

SORRY TO THE OTHER GUYS FOR CONTINUING THIS SIDE DISCUSSION, hehe...

I never thought the Sentra and Lancer 1.8 can outrun the Altis 1.8. The Lancer may have the most advanced gearbox but I used to think its engine is weaker. How did C! test it anyway? I remember in their previous 1.6 comparisons that some cars had exactly the same 0-100 time (as in to the hundredths). Now is that possible?

I have had my doubts regarding C! Magazine's times over the past few years, as some of them seem slow... regarding that old 1.6 test, I remember that. Typo yata. (the typesetter who does the data boxes kept messing up... all the time... now he only messes up occassionally)

Take into account that these are all ATs, the discrepancy should be small. I'm not surprised that the Mitsu is quicker, because it's CVT.

The Nissan and Altis should, given the same testing conditions get exactly the same times. Both are rated at 126 hp in the US, despite being rated at 145 (Corolla) and 130 (Sentra) here... and guess what? There's very little difference between them in C!'s testing... meaning they're still both 126 hp, no matter what the manufacturers claim... and that means the Mitsubishi is likely around 120hp... the CVT should be almost as efficient as a manual.

[squala]

My cousin has a 2001 1.6 AT Altis. Same thing... battery lang napalitan so far.

SORRY TO THE OTHER GUYS FOR CONTINUING THIS SIDE DISCUSSION, hehe...



I have had my doubts regarding C! Magazine's times over the past few years, as some of them seem slow... regarding that old 1.6 test, I remember that. Typo yata. (the typesetter who does the data boxes kept messing up... all the time... now he only messes up occassionally)

Take into account that these are all ATs, the discrepancy should be small. I'm not surprised that the Mitsu is quicker, because it's CVT.

The Nissan and Altis should, given the same testing conditions get exactly the same times. Both are rated at 126 hp in the US, despite being rated at 145 (Corolla) and 130 (Sentra) here... and guess what? There's very little difference between them in C!'s testing... meaning they're still both 126 hp, no matter what the manufacturers claim... and that means the Mitsubishi is likely around 120hp... the CVT should be almost as efficient as a manual.

1 solution for that typist: BE FIRED!

So the Lancer 1.8 did better, eh? Well, too bad only a few are enjoying it.

[an0nim0us]

^^^ yup, that's right, it's a/t. I've no first hand experience as to how fast it can be in the 0-100, but it's able i'm tellin' you guys, at least for everyday driving. I think the 1.8 izzy's 145 hp is overrated, 120hp's a bit underrated tho. I've seen specs from other countries putting it at around 135. WHP's another story.

My daily drive is the Altis and switching to the Lynx (1.6) on coding days' a disappointing experience for me in terms of smoothness, comfort and accelleration when overtaking. Civic's not far ahead of the Lynx except for the better a/c and roomier interior. I'm comparing the 1.6 lynx and the 1.6 civic to a 1.8G so it might not be a fair deal. I've limited experience with the 1.6 Altis but it's smoothness and torque delivery is similar to that of the 1.8's. Apple to apple, I'd still go for the Altis = ) hey, I'm a daddy now and I dont go for fast cars anymore hehehe.

[pogi23]

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[A121]

wait.. will toyota be releasing a new bodied corolla this year? ang ganda kasi nung bagong honda civic 06.

OT:

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tol gutom lang yan!
kain muna nito

[an0nim0us]

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Hindi naman! = )

[niky]

There's talk of a facelift in the other thread, but I'm not sure if they're bringing it here.

[kurt]

ok so both the altis and the civic are good performing cars,

but can their owners advise, which car do you think has the lower price for service/parts (when using casa service) and easier to maintain (after the warranty has expired and you are free to try other shops). advice the price of the typical 5k or 10k(for honda i think) PMS.

and can you give details in your period of ownership, what major part/s brokedown e.g waterpump or power steering unit and others, can these be claimed against the warranty?

we are interested in another 1.6 AT car since we will be retiring our 10yr old corolla and will soon visit the showrooms but ito research muna sa tsikot.com.

it seems for me the Altis 1.6E AT is the "safer" choice but even if the civic VTi-S_AT costs about php27k more, you get more standard items like foglamps, rear disc brakes, opitron gauges, abs-ba plus ebd also, 15" mags.

thank you

[orly_andico]

the altis E does have ABS too.. and dual airbags.. and climate control (single zone). my former boss got rid of his (at the time) 5-year old EK civic and got an altis G. apparently there is a widespread belief na mas mahal mag-maintain ng civic.