1.6 Civic VTi versus 1.6 Altis

[dragon21]

The 2.0 is reputedly a guzzler in traffic, comparatively, as admitted by a Honda executive I talked to at the mileage challenge... but it's not any worse than other 2.0s. The Corollas, both 1.6 and 1.8 are relatively good on gas. It was the 1.8 that got 900+ km in the Canadian test, but that was MT.

True. 2.0 consumes around 6-8 kms/liter. I think it's like a CRV engine mounted on a sedan. Not sure though.

There's really an obvious difference on CVT on the way the car shifts, (you actually don't feel the car shifting on CVT).

[squala]

With what you said, that will make the Altis 1.6 slower than the Vios 1.5. If I got my data right, the Vios 1.5 does the quarter mile at roughly the same time as an AE101 Corolla GLi, both M/T. The VVTi probably makes the engine seem .1-liter larger in performance. Consequently, it would be a shame if the newer Corolla (with VVTi) is slower than the previous model (no VVTi).

[squala]

Although Gran Turismo is the best car simulator game, not all the vehicles have accurate performance. Also, if you raced against another person, there might be a slight boost for trailing cars in the game settings. Turn that off.

I'm pretty sure actual tests will tell a different story.

[zman]

Though I believe you can't go wrong with either car, I like the feel of the Altis more than the Civic. Both are solid brands, with similar specs, hence choice would/should ultimately boil down to which car you believe has a better feel when driving.

[niky]

Wow... 6-8? That's about as bad as the CRV 2.0 AT! Most of us FCP members with the Lynx RS get between 8-9 in traffic. Worst I've gotten is 6, but that was in a three hour trip/traffic jam into and out of Tutuban during the weekend. The Achilles heel of the RS is the highway. 11 is the best I've gotten because fifth gear is very very short.

Ibang klase talaga ang AT. Honda really should offer the K20 with a good manual instead, if they can't put a CVT on it yet.

As for the Gran Turismo comparison, it's really hard to launch an FF car in GT4 properly, but in real life, word is the CVT is smooth and efficient enough to make it almost as fast or faster than the manual. IMHO, the next gen 1.8 Civics ought to get the CVT, it's really an amazing transmission.

As for driving feel, I find both cars to be decent and very liveable cars to ride in, but neither can compare with the driving feel of the Lynx or the Mazda3/Focus. I'm hoping they get the driving feel back with the next Civic, though, as it's coming out in time for me to seriously consider purchasing it over a City.

[dragon21]

Wow... 6-8? That's about as bad as the CRV 2.0 AT! Most of us FCP members with the Lynx RS get between 8-9 in traffic. Worst I've gotten is 6, but that was in a three hour trip/traffic jam into and out of Tutuban during the weekend. The Achilles heel of the RS is the highway. 11 is the best I've gotten because fifth gear is very very short.

I'm hoping they get the driving feel back with the next Civic, though, as it's coming out in time for me to seriously consider purchasing it over a City.

Honestly, I've had some regrets after purchasing the 2.0 Civic. The 1.5 City is more fun to drive than its big brother yet consumes a lot less fuel. The thing is, the 1.5 looks more like a toy than a car. But after a year, I always find myself making the city my everyday car, with an impressive 15-17 kms/l city traffic consumption.

The 2.0 is really a guzzler. It has much more comgortable ride as compared to a city, being a civic, but the costs to drive is a hefty price to pay.

My wife's Altis is a nice mariage of fuel economy (9-10 kms/l city driving) and comfort.

Either civic or altis will be a nice choice when choosing a compact car.

[squala]

Wow... 6-8? That's about as bad as the CRV 2.0 AT! Most of us FCP members with the Lynx RS get between 8-9 in traffic. Worst I've gotten is 6, but that was in a three hour trip/traffic jam into and out of Tutuban during the weekend. The Achilles heel of the RS is the highway. 11 is the best I've gotten because fifth gear is very very short.

Could a 6th gear have helped?

Ibang klase talaga ang AT. Honda really should offer the K20 with a good manual instead, if they can't put a CVT on it yet.

As for the Gran Turismo comparison, it's really hard to launch an FF car in GT4 properly, but in real life, word is the CVT is smooth and efficient enough to make it almost as fast or faster than the manual. IMHO, the next gen 1.8 Civics ought to get the CVT, it's really an amazing transmission.

It seems that Toyota ATs are a bit better than Honda's, but in MT, it's a different story. Yeah, the 2.0 Civic should have been manual instead, but I guess they made it more of a comfortable cruiser than an SiR successor. It's more of a gap filler between the 1.7 Civic and the Accord.

As for the new Civic, I read that the 1.8 versions will get manual and automatic, both 5-speeds, while the hybrid should have a CVT.

As for driving feel, I find both cars to be decent and very liveable cars to ride in, but neither can compare with the driving feel of the Lynx or the Mazda3/Focus. I'm hoping they get the driving feel back with the next Civic, though, as it's coming out in time for me to seriously consider purchasing it over a City.

Yeah, the Mazda/Ford alliance has been coming up with great chassis to fit in their cars. Let's also hope the new Civic is back on its feet, and please, sell it now!

[basti08]

Wow... 6-8? That's about as bad as the CRV 2.0 AT! Most of us FCP members with the Lynx RS get between 8-9 in traffic. Worst I've gotten is 6, but that was in a three hour trip/traffic jam into and out of Tutuban during the weekend. The Achilles heel of the RS is the highway. 11 is the best I've gotten because fifth gear is very very short.

Ibang klase talaga ang AT. Honda really should offer the K20 with a good manual instead, if they can't put a CVT on it yet.

As for the Gran Turismo comparison, it's really hard to launch an FF car in GT4 properly, but in real life, word is the CVT is smooth and efficient enough to make it almost as fast or faster than the manual. IMHO, the next gen 1.8 Civics ought to get the CVT, it's really an amazing transmission.
As for driving feel, I find both cars to be decent and very liveable cars to ride in, but neither can compare with the driving feel of the Lynx or the Mazda3/Focus. I'm hoping they get the driving feel back with the next Civic, though, as it's coming out in time for me to seriously consider purchasing it over a City.

quoted from Autoweek:

2006 Honda Civic Ex-Navi Coupe
Also Featured: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover Sport HSE, 2006 Lincoln Zephyr


AutoWeek | Published 12/19/05, 11:55 am et
AT A GLANCE:
2006 Honda Civic EX-NAVI Coupe
DATE IN FLEET: Nov. 21-Dec. 1
AS-TESTED PRICE: $21,360
POWERTRAIN: 1.8-liter I4; fwd, five-speed automatic
OUTPUT: 140 hp * 6300 rpm, 128 lb-ft * 4300 rpm
CURB WEIGHT: 2767 lbs
FUEL MILAGE (EPA COMBINED/AW OBSERVED): 33.8 mpg/28.7 mpg

...i heard that we'll be getting the 1.8L as the low-line VTi/VTi-S models
and the current 2.0L in the Civic as topline engine.
so, i bet still no CVT but a 5speed AT across the board.

[orly_andico]

11km/L for the Lynx RS in highway driving? wow.. that's the same figure I got over the past weekend on my 626 going to Baguio. Same engine, but mine is a decade old (and I was hauling 5 people the whole way).

Is the fabled 26km/L highway test of the DoE for the Altis E achievable in practice? all I know is, that was roundtrip Fort - Batangas via SLEX/StarToll and back. Baka naman windows shut, no A/C, and no braking yun (pure engine brake and coasting). Still, an AMAZING mileage figure, up there with the Hyundai Matrix CRDi.

[squala]

26 km/l is far from attainable in the real world. By the way, is that M/T or A/T?

[orly_andico]

MT daw yun eh.
if that's far from attainable.. what about the petron "1114 km on a single tank of gas?"

[squala]

Oh that one. Poch and Epi maintained speeds no more than 40 km/h. They also placed the car in neutral during downhill drives. Possibly they sometimes turned off the engine during traffic as well.

[dragon21]

Oh that one. Poch and Epi maintained speeds no more than 40 km/h. They also placed the car in neutral during downhill drives. Possibly they sometimes turned off the engine during traffic as well.

Jazz has a capacity of 42 l. So that's roughly 26-27 kms/l

Re: Petron Tests. Speed was actually maintained at range 40-60 kph. It has been vanguarded by 2 CRVs and two police officers to clear the traffic, ensuring that it avoids jam, while all vehicles are equipped with a two-way radio. The jazz almost never had to stop and so acceleration from 0-40 is almost non-existent, except when they had to rest. Air-con was on, though at minimum, spare tire was loaded, all stock, Jazz, straight from the Casa, without any additive.

The car is really efficient, but can this efficiency be applicable in real world? Hardly. Unless you have your own police escort too...

[niky]

For the Lynx RS, yes a 6th gear would help a lot. Many of us actually still try to upshift from fifth gear sometimes, even months after getting acclimatized to the car. I have a 626, and it gets the same mileage on the highway because 5th is longer. It hits 200 km/h in 5th around 5200rpm, while the RS hits 200 km/h over 6000rpm. But the 626 gets much worse mileage in traffic.

Pocholo's 1114 km run comes out to 26.5 km/l from a 42 liter tank. Having done a Honda Eco-run, (we got 23+ from medium traffic and speeds up to 70 km/h) I can safely say it's possible for many drivers to do, but it'll be very slow. The 26 km/l done by the Toyota Corolla is a little more difficult to achieve, but anything's possible with a light foot and good momentum. In the CanadianDriver eco-challenge, they got 18 km/l from a 1.8 MT Corolla (mixed highway driving), so 20+km/l from a 1.6 isn't that farfetched.

In the same run, a 1.7 MT Civic got 20.4 km/l... over 1000 km on 50 liters of gas.

EDIT: I'm actually disappointed with Pocholo's run... if he had escorts, he should've been able to make 30 km/l easily. One lady on our run did 29+... IN TRAFFIC.

But it's still all dependent on the driver and conditions. Some of us are just heavy footed. :lol:

[dragon21]

EDIT: I'm actually disappointed with Pocholo's run... if he had escorts, he should've been able to make 30 km/l easily. One lady on our run did 29+... IN TRAFFIC.

But it's still all dependent on the driver and conditions. Some of us are just heavy footed. :lol:

he he he. there were several instances when Pocholo, perhaps out of boredom, exceeded the designed 60 kph, he even went to 90 kph. That exercise almost bored him to death because it was a long very leisurely 3-day trip. the weak torque of the jazz perhaps "disappointed" many, because he had to press more and consume more gas in the process. Although he saved a lot because of the downhill stretch from the northern provinces to central luzon.

I'm pretty sure that he would have gotten 30+ if he used the 1.5 w/c has better power to weight ratio.

[orly_andico]

that's funny.. i thought best practice was to descend hills in gear so that engine braking would work and the fuel injectors would shut off..

[squala]

All this is implying how far the consumption of Vios and City/Jazz are compared to their Altis/Civic brethren. A friend of mine can do 17 km/li in his 1.3 Vios in normal driving, while my cousin in an Altis 1.6E automatic averages only 8. For sure they have different styles, but what is the best consumption of the Altis 1.6 A/T anyway?

[kmo]

hmmm i know a lot of people who even gets 15km/l and even higher on the 1.8g altis

ako naman i have a 1.6 m/t altis my average with traffic na and mixed city highway is 9-10km/l the highest na nakuha k is 13-14km/l nung nagbaguio mahataw nga lang ako kasi patience talaga pag gusto mo ng matipid heheheh

[squala]

Those are remarkable mileage figures. Now what about the Altis 1.6 automatic?

[mazdamazda]

Those are remarkable mileage figures. Now what about the Altis 1.6 automatic?

yup... magkaiba ang engine series nung 1.8L and the 1.6L...

yung 1.8L, 1-ZZFE yun (which also powers the 2WD Rav4 & Celica).