What to Expect and inspect in buying a 2001 Adventure or 2001 Crosswind

[im_mblue]

Hello to all tsikoteers, this is my first post so everyone bear with me.
My family have decided to purchase a USED CAR for weekend use only as my normal daily driving to office is taken cared of by my motorcycle (15min. ride only to office one way).

I've checked various ads and I have a slight idea now where my 300k to 400k would take me when looking for that FAMILY CAR.

Here are my limitations:

1. Budget: 300k to 400k
2. Fuel: DIESEL (para cheaper and longer mileage)
3. Transmission: MANUAL (my preference)
4. Capacity: min. of 7 persons
5. Current Choices: UTILITY VEHICLES LIKE,
   
   • MITSUBISHI ADVENTURE (2001 to 2005)
   • ISUZU CROSSWIND (2001 to 2003)

So all experience tsikoteers who may have read this thread... please help me with your inputs ON WHAT THINGS TO EXPECT /INSPECT AND WHAT THINGS TO CONSIDER when buying a used vehicle, assuming both cars were advertised directly from the owner/user:

Isuzu Crosswind (XT/ XTi/ XUV/ XUVi)
year: 2001 to 2003
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km


Mitsubishi Adventure (GLS/GLX)
year: 2003 to 2006
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km

[GTi]

These are very durable vehicles that will serve you very well for many years to come even if you don't give very much attention to them. No maselan attitude from then when it comes to changing fluids or dirty diesel. On the downside though, the crash structure is very bad and there are no safety features besides the seatbelts. They're smoky, loud and slow. Between the two though, I'd get the Crosswind since it, at least, has a direct injection engine, uses timing gear (as compared to timing belt in the Adventure), and looks better (subjective).

Are these two the only vehicles you're looking at? I suggest you also look at the same-era Kia Carnival. It seats just as many people (depending on the seating configuration of that particular unit), is much more powerful (135hp 2.9L direct injection turbo intercooler), is much more comfortable and can be had for a cheaper price. Since you're looking for M/T's then there shouldn't be a problem, since the main defect of this particular model is its A/T.

[im_mblue]

These are very durable vehicles that will serve you very well for many years to come even if you don't give very much attention to them. No maselan attitude from then when it comes to changing fluids or dirty diesel. On the downside though, the crash structure is very bad and there are no safety features besides the seatbelts. They're smoky, loud and slow. Between the two though, I'd get the Crosswind since it, at least, has a direct injection engine, uses timing gear (as compared to timing belt in the Adventure), and looks better (subjective).

Are these two the only vehicles you're looking at? I suggest you also look at the same-era Kia Carnival. It seats just as many people (depending on the seating configuration of that particular unit), is much more powerful (135hp 2.9L direct injection turbo intercooler), is much more comfortable and can be had for a cheaper price. Since you're looking for M/T's then there shouldn't be a problem, since the main defect of this particular model is its A/T.

Thanks sir GTI for the share.
Sa ngayon ni-limit ko na lang yung choices ko sa dalawang dinosaurs na ito, kasi yung engine nila mukhang maasahan at cheaper to maintain. I might consider also your suggestion on the "Kia Carnival"...
FC wise...gusto ko yung 12km/liter ng crosswind, yung sa adventure diesel somewhere 9km/liter.
For now, I guess Im stuck with the two muna given the budget that we have kaya im preparing myself ika nga on the things to check for the given
model and year ng Vehicles na ito. Siguro ganito mangyayari sa checklist ko when I go to visit my prospective sellers:

Isuzu Crosswind (XT/ XTi/ XUV/ XUVi)
year: 2001 to 2003
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km
a. engine - expected na nabuksan na pag ganitong age na??
b. cooling system - expected din na nareplace na yung fans or yung radiator na repair na??
c. power steering - expected din na na-repair na yung ibang parts??
d. power windows - expected din na nagloloko controls??
e. electrical systems and lights - expected na magpapalit na ako in a few months??
f. body, floors, hood - expected na faded na yung paint?? madami ng gasgas??


Mitsubishi Adventure (GLS/GLX)
year: 2003 to 2006
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km
a. expected ba na lahat ng parts at ganitong age ng vehicle are still good for another 100,000km???or am I dreaming hahaha.

[Ry_Tower]

Thanks sir GTI for the share.
Sa ngayon ni-limit ko na lang yung choices ko sa dalawang dinosaurs na ito, kasi yung engine nila mukhang maasahan at cheaper to maintain. I might consider also your suggestion on the "Kia Carnival"...
FC wise...gusto ko yung 12km/liter ng crosswind, yung sa adventure diesel somewhere 9km/liter.
For now, I guess Im stuck with the two muna given the budget that we have kaya im preparing myself ika nga on the things to check for the given
model and year ng Vehicles na ito. Siguro ganito mangyayari sa checklist ko when I go to visit my prospective sellers:

Isuzu Crosswind (XT/ XTi/ XUV/ XUVi)
year: 2001 to 2003
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km
a. engine - expected na nabuksan na pag ganitong age na??
b. cooling system - expected din na nareplace na yung fans or yung radiator na repair na??
c. power steering - expected din na na-repair na yung ibang parts??
d. power windows - expected din na nagloloko controls??
e. electrical systems and lights - expected na magpapalit na ako in a few months??
f. body, floors, hood - expected na faded na yung paint?? madami ng gasgas??


Mitsubishi Adventure (GLS/GLX)
year: 2003 to 2006
mileage: 100,000 km to 130,000 km
a. expected ba na lahat ng parts at ganitong age ng vehicle are still good for another 100,000km???or am I dreaming hahaha.

- IMO mag-crosswind ka na lang boss since 2nd hand yang hinahanap mo. Common problem din kasi is the glow plug problem ng 4d56. At least direct injection na yan gaya nga ng sabi ni GTi. And the timing chain is better than the timing belt. just my 2 cents..

[GTi]

Hindi naman siguro ganun kalala ang condition ng mga kotseng iyon. There are bound to be some well-maintained units out there. Try looking for a well maintained Crosswind XTO since its fully featured already and isn't as heavy-laden as the XUV. But still... these cars are not only smoky, loud and slow. The ride is choppy and don't even think of fitting full size adults in the 3rd row. Even in our Trooper (which also has side facing 3rd row benches) only a person with a maximum height of around 5"6 can seat properly without having to stoop his head.

[renzo_d10]

Go for the crosswind as it's a little more durable than the Adventure. Plus, maintenance is so damn cheap, if you know how to change oils and air filters yourself, then you wouldn't have to pay for the labor.

XTi is not available for the 2001-2003 variants. I suggest you get the XUV unless you would really want to have the added entertainment system that the XUVi offers.

Just bare the comfort though since the crosswind is really suckish at idle. It vibrates harsher than the adventure and it's also slow. Slower than the adventure that you're comparing it to.

Looks-wise is then again, subjective. But for me, the XUV 2001-2003 looks way better than the '03-'06 advie. Mas macho. Mas tigas. :naughty2:

[im_mblue]

Hindi naman siguro ganun kalala ang condition ng mga kotseng iyon. There are bound to be some well-maintained units out there. Try looking for a well maintained Crosswind XTO since its fully featured already and isn't as heavy-laden as the XUV. But still... these cars are not only smoky, loud and slow. The ride is choppy and don't even think of fitting full size adults in the 3rd row. Even in our Trooper (which also has side facing 3rd row benches) only a person with a maximum height of around 5"6 can seat properly without having to stoop his head.

hehehe, surely wala sa pamilya namin ang taller than 5-6"...ako na ata pinaka tallest
hahaha...but I'll be the driver then kaya hindi ako uupo dun sa likod...malamang one
of my kids dun.
Definitely sir, Im going to find the lesser evil siguro among those crosswinds that I will
encounter...baka may matyempuhan akong pinagsawaan ng mayaman at ginawa lang
pandisplay sa bahay dahil sumakit ang likod sa tagtag...hehehe

With regards to choppy ride, well, I can live with that, so will be my wife and my kids
kasi laking motorcycle sila at pag uwi naman sa province sa lumang owner ko sila sumasakay...
So less priority namin yung comfort, what would count more to us would be going from point
A to point B, my wife has her own motorcycle, and my kids when they were only two ride with
us...hehehe of course with complete safety gears...
I started riding my motorcycle when I had a big trauma dun sa owner jeep ko way back 1994
pa, it was really plagued with engine deffects, underchasis, and all my savings na pang gimik
sana nung binata pa ako ay naubos dun...so lessons learned, when I got married I opted to ride
motorcycle going to office since 1998 and upto now hahaha.... yung mga kasabayan ko sa
opisina napapangiti na lang sa akin dahil sa tinatagal ko na sa trabaho silang lahat nagsipag-loan na ng kotse, samantalang ako ay motor pa rin...

Then again, even if I have gotten accustomed to riding my bike everyday, it never escapes my mind that I would go back to riding a four wheeler just so we could enjoy the travel and company together with the complete members of my family...and NOW IS THAT TIME....haaaay.

[p_borj]

all I can say hindi naman masasayang ang pera mo sa dalawang sasakyan na ito, kailangan nga lang pumili ka ng maintained na sasakyan. parehong matitibay ito, may mga tumirik nang Innova less than 5 years, itong Advie at Xwind humahataw pa rin sa ganitong edad, proven and proven kahit tingnan mo lang sa mga pinampapasada kung gaano ito kabugbog pero umaandar pa rin.

given that maintenance wise, maayos ang pinagpipilian mo ito ang insights ko..

since mas mura ang resale value ng Advie, I would go for the fresher model advie siyempre. hindi poke mababa ang resale value may kinalaman sa credibility ng sasakyan, wala po yun sir.

kung gusto mo naman ng mas macho at mas maluwag na seating capacity, go for XWind.

[im_mblue]

all I can say hindi naman masasayang ang pera mo sa dalawang sasakyan na ito, kailangan nga lang pumili ka ng maintained na sasakyan. parehong matitibay ito, may mga tumirik nang Innova less than 5 years, itong Advie at Xwind humahataw pa rin sa ganitong edad, proven and proven kahit tingnan mo lang sa mga pinampapasada kung gaano ito kabugbog pero umaandar pa rin.

given that maintenance wise, maayos ang pinagpipilian mo ito ang insights ko..

since mas mura ang resale value ng Advie, I would go for the fresher model advie siyempre. hindi poke mababa ang resale value may kinalaman sa credibility ng sasakyan, wala po yun sir.

kung gusto mo naman ng mas macho at mas maluwag na seating capacity, go for XWind.

Thanks sir Borj, first choice ko talaga ang xwind dahil primarily sa:
1. FC, around 12km/liter nabasa ko
2. Space (just right sa family of 7)
3. Hi-ground clearance (Pang-iwas obstacles, rough roads-off roads, floods din siguro hehehe)
4. Engine (No glow plugs, Quick Start, Less battery power consumption)
5. Less Stressful to maintain, madaming makakaayos pag nasiraan ka and parts are readily and hopefully cheaper.
6. Hi-torque...pang hauling talaga which is my need actually para pang karga at hindi pangkarera. Need ko ito pang-akyat sa norte hehehe.

of course, next to my list really is the advie...

All I need know is a CHECKLIST ON WHAT TO CHECK PAG 2001-2003 NA CROSSWIND, anyone here could suggest on the things to check when inspecting an old Crosswind?

[im_mblue]

Guys,
Could help me prepare a checklist? something like what to check when you're in front of the owner and the vehicle that you are scouting:

WHAT TO CHECK AND WHY ON A 2001 (XWIND):
A. DOCUMENTS:
A1. CR: valid ba?how to check kung totoo?
A2. OR: updated ba?paso na ba?
A3. insurance coverage: year of coverage lang?anong coverage?
A4. Owners manual: if available?
A5. Maintenance Records: if available?
A6. Owner Credentials (IDs): Necessary ba?
A7. ....(Anything else worth mentioning???)

B. VEHICLE:
B1. Engine: alin ang babantayan ko
B2. Cooling system: alin ang bantayan??
B3. Exhaust system: alin ang bantayan...yung kalawang?mounting bracket?
B4. Power Steering and steering system:
B5. Suspension System:
B6. Transmission:
B7. Brake system:
B8. Body / Chasis: Kalawang lang? Dents? Gas-gas? tapal? bumper deffects? flooring? faded/uneven paint finish
B9. Doors and Windows: hinges?kalawang?upholstery?power window mechanism? door locks and knobs?
B10. Tires, diferentials, linkages:...loose joints?tire cracks?tire treads?
B11. Side mirrors, glass works: cracks?loose mirrors?no mirrors?
B12. Electrical system:rewired??, burn stains??, wire routing?? lighting indicators functioning??, busted lamps???switches??
B13. Car seat, mechanism and upholstery: torn upholstery?broken mechanism for folding seats??, worn springs????
B14. Air Conditioning: compressors???filters??
B15. Foot pedals: clutch, brake, throttle pedals..may titingnan pa ba ako dito?
B16. Fuel System: fuel Tank body, level indicator, hoses???ano bantayan ko dito?
B17. (NEED MORE SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU THAT ARE WORTH MENTIONING)

[im_mblue]

Would anyone care to help me develop this checklist to be used
when I'll be actually checking the OLD DINOSAUR... I cannot just
seem to rely solely on the expertise of a hired Mechanic to do all
the checking....I have to have something to say being the owner
so please help me on what to check, what to ask and of course
why is that? hehehe... appreciate all your efforts guys..
your one liners post will be a big help to me....

Guys,
WHAT TO CHECK AND WHY ON A 2001 (XWIND):
A. DOCUMENTS:
A1. CR: valid ba?how to check kung totoo?
A2. OR: updated ba?paso na ba?
A3. insurance coverage: year of coverage lang?anong coverage?
A4. Owners manual: if available?
A5. Maintenance Records: if available?
A6. Owner Credentials (IDs): Necessary ba?
A7. ....(Anything else worth mentioning???)

B. VEHICLE:
B1. Engine: alin ang babantayan ko
B2. Cooling system: alin ang bantayan??
B3. Exhaust system: alin ang bantayan...yung kalawang?mounting bracket?
B4. Power Steering and steering system:
B5. Suspension System:
B6. Transmission:
B7. Brake system:
B8. Body / Chasis: Kalawang lang? Dents? Gas-gas? tapal? bumper deffects? flooring? faded/uneven paint finish
B9. Doors and Windows: hinges?kalawang?upholstery?power window mechanism? door locks and knobs?
B10. Tires, diferentials, linkages:...loose joints?tire cracks?tire treads?
B11. Side mirrors, glass works: cracks?loose mirrors?no mirrors?
B12. Electrical system:rewired??, burn stains??, wire routing?? lighting indicators functioning??, busted lamps???switches??
B13. Car seat, mechanism and upholstery: torn upholstery?broken mechanism for folding seats??, worn springs????
B14. Air Conditioning: compressors???filters??
B15. Foot pedals: clutch, brake, throttle pedals..may titingnan pa ba ako dito?
B16. Fuel System: fuel Tank body, level indicator, hoses???ano bantayan ko dito?
B17. (NEED MORE SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU THAT ARE WORTH MENTIONING)

[Marichelle]

A friend of mine is selling their Kia Carnival. I'm not sure about the year model and transmission type but what I've heard/know that it is less used due to its maintenance cost and a defective part(s).

[im_mblue]

A friend of mine is selling their Kia Carnival. I'm not sure about the year model and transmission type but what I've heard/know that it is less used due to its maintenance cost and a defective part(s).

...Yes mam/sir, medyo malakas konsumo and I assume parts are not so many except siguro sa mga surplus shops...slowly Im reading the problems at the other threads on Sedona/Carnival just so sir GTi won't frown on me for not doing my homework hehehe...., I'll keep reading pa... I would be interested more on the negatives para ma-convince ako na di magpadalos-dalos hehehe.

[fullmetal]

crosswind ka nalang sir, yung highlander extreme(last model ata bago naging crosswind) na naiwan sa amin dati super tipid sa diesel at malamig ang aircon, medjo magaan nga lang yung steering niya pero sanayan nalang din siguro. reklamo ko lang dun eh maingay ang makina, iba ang ingay ng isuzu