Honda City idsi 06-07 vs Altis 05-07 9th Gen

[nicolo]

Hi sirs,
Kailangan kong bumili ng second hand car and Im down with these two on my list.

Alin sa palagay nyo ang mas better choice? Mostly Manila driving and occasional tagaytay subic weekends lang.

Honda City idsi '06-'08
Altis 9th gen '05-'07

As I understand basta wag matic safe ako sa idsi.

Thanks!

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[atty.cadmus]

Hi sirs,
Kailangan kong bumili ng second hand car and Im down with these two on my list.

Alin sa palagay nyo ang mas better choice? Mostly Manila driving and occasional tagaytay subic weekends lang.

Honda City idsi '06-'08
Altis 9th gen '05-'07

As I understand basta wag matic safe ako sa idsi.

Thanks!

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IMHO. if same silang dalawa well maintained, sa mileage na lang to magkakatalo.

I will go with lower milegae.

[dr. d]

try them both out.
get the more comfortable one.
as i understand, the altis' driver seat is a bit on the cramped side, if one is a biggie...

[Egan101]

try them both out.
get the more comfortable one.
as i understand, the altis' driver seat is a bit on the cramped side, if one is a biggie...

If the Altis is cramped, the City IDSI is even smaller.

If budget permits, look for a Civic FD 2006-2008. Puwede rin a late model Civic ES (2004-2005).


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[Vodka]

city is subcompact but their interior sizes are very similar. altis just slightly wider but this is an issue only if you got 3 people at the back

city's trunk is HUGE i'm sure it bigger than the altis'. then the city's ULT seats collapse into the floor to create huge flat space

i got a newer car but i'm still keeping my 06 city. reliable practical car

[17Sphynx17]

city is subcompact but their interior sizes are very similar. altis just slightly wider but this is an issue only if you got 3 people at the back

city's trunk is HUGE i'm sure it bigger than the altis'. then the city's ULT seats collapse into the floor to create huge flat space

i got a newer car but i'm still keeping my 06 city. reliable practical car

Did the 06-08 City have ULT seats? I never found this "option" to unlock the back seats for our '08 City which we still own to this day. Not complaining as never needed them on it when I drove it daily back then.

In terms of the generation being asked about City vs Altis of that generation, FC wise, you SHOULD have fuel savings in the Honda City. Most likely, the suspension would need work, but the Altis most likely would need similar work. Our '08 City's suspension doesn't cushion the same anymore but we haven't gone around to replace it. It hasn't completely bottomed out yet (yet being the operative word at mileage of +/-90k kms).

Brother used to drive a 2001 Altis which I recall is the same generation up to the 2007 or 2008 Altis before it changed to the next gen. Interior space between the 2 is similar.

Power of the Altis will be enough to get it to coast around 90 to 100kph on the highway without it being too noisy inside. While for the City, it is more comfortable staying 60-80kph. It can hit 100kph, but it will be more noisy inside per my experience.

Going up and down slopes won't be an issue for both these cars so not really something to be concerned about.

I can't recall if the 1.6G Altis already came with Single Zone Climate Control or still manual AC Controls. A part of me thinks it is already Climate Control * G trim but I may be mistaken. For the City i-Dsi that is manual AC. It cools, but under the hot summer sun, I'd still prefer it to have the UV rejection tints to aid/help the AC in cooling the cabin better. I recall the Altis had stronger AC in this regard at least.

[nicolo]

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

Thanks!

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[tarzegetakizerd]

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

Thanks!

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ATF lang maselan. Engine oil kahit sa labas na.

[nicolo]

ATF lang maselan. Engine oil kahit sa labas na.

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?

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[tarzegetakizerd]

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?

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Sa casa sure ka genuine. 3 litro lang yun. yung MTF (manual transmission fluid) 2 litro lang. mura lang yun tapos di naman every year (unless 40k km per year ka).

Hindi ka naman siguro kukuha ng CVT na IDSI. hehehe

[Vodka]

CVT uses CVTF, not atf

honda mtf isn't special it's just a 75w80, so use any GL-4 75w80. i replace mine every 6yrs so yeah cost isn't very relevant for something you change every 6yrs

[17Sphynx17]

you can use non-proprietary engine oil, MTF, brake/clutch fluid. cooling system uses oat coolant (honda type2) the original fill lasts 10yrs, then replace every 5yrs.


17Sphynx17,

yep the 06 city has ULT seats. afaik they removed it in 08

Oh, so naabutan yung last year ng generation na yun yung ULT feature removal. hehe! Kaya parang wala ako naalala na meron way to tumble the back seats to passthrough to the trunk. Hehe!

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Nagkaproblem ba sa Vios Gen 2 unit na gamit ninyo? Parang same production year alala ko ito with the i-Dsi City and transitioning to VTEC na model ng City (starting late 2008 onwards na wala na yung idsi). Medyo sure ako na late 2008 lumabas yung sunud na generation na VTEC na lang yung City kasi yung sa amin, isa sa mga last unit ng generation na yun na for sale. Buti may nakuha pa at pilit pa nun tinutulak sa amin na kunin yung lalaunch in a week or two nung panahon na yun. Mabilis lang naman humindi kasi yung bagong "same tier" na City nun additional 100k php SRP launch price nila (660k vs 760k - tandang tanda ko pa ito hehe!). So madali lang humindi. haha!

Kasi kung sa power, yung 1.5 Vios Gen 1 and 2, malakas na yun and matipid din. Yun lang alala ko feeling sa loob a little more "cramped" compared to the City (sa naalala ko, pero di naman nalalayo). Pero kung yung 1.3 Vios yun, mas responsive di hamak yung i-Dsi ng City.

Kasi kung in terms of power, getting to higher speed with the City will mean higher revs compared to the Altis with the 1.6 VVti (as I mentioned earlier). Going higher than 100kph sa i-Dsi, medyo hirap na umakyat yung karayom sa speedo sa CVT ko pero di ko naman niredline, 100kph asa 2500rpm lang ako to 2750rpm (if I recall correctly nung dinadala ko pa sa highway pa yung City. Pero maingay na yung makina sa loob ng kotse, so hindi lang "pleasant" kung pipigain pa para sa akin.

[Vodka]

Oh, so naabutan yung last year ng generation na yun yung ULT feature removal. hehe! Kaya parang wala ako naalala na meron way to tumble the back seats to passthrough to the trunk. Hehe!



Nagkaproblem ba sa Vios Gen 2 unit na gamit ninyo? Parang same production year alala ko ito with the i-Dsi City and transitioning to VTEC na model ng City (starting late 2008 onwards na wala na yung idsi). Medyo sure ako na late 2008 lumabas yung sunud na generation na VTEC na lang yung City kasi yung sa amin, isa sa mga last unit ng generation na yun na for sale. Buti may nakuha pa at pilit pa nun tinutulak sa amin na kunin yung lalaunch in a week or two nung panahon na yun. Mabilis lang naman humindi kasi yung bagong "same tier" na City nun additional 100k php SRP launch price nila (660k vs 760k - tandang tanda ko pa ito hehe!). So madali lang humindi. haha!

Kasi kung sa power, yung 1.5 Vios Gen 1 and 2, malakas na yun and matipid din. Yun lang alala ko feeling sa loob a little more "cramped" compared to the City (sa naalala ko, pero di naman nalalayo). Pero kung yung 1.3 Vios yun, mas responsive di hamak yung i-Dsi ng City.

Kasi kung in terms of power, getting to higher speed with the City will mean higher revs compared to the Altis with the 1.6 VVti (as I mentioned earlier). Going higher than 100kph sa i-Dsi, medyo hirap na umakyat yung karayom sa speedo sa CVT ko pero di ko naman niredline, 100kph asa 2500rpm lang ako to 2750rpm (if I recall correctly nung dinadala ko pa sa highway pa yung City. Pero maingay na yung makina sa loob ng kotse, so hindi lang "pleasant" kung pipigain pa para sa akin.

there was one time we had to haul a lot of boxes of printers. ULT seats collapsed into the floor accommodated all of them. no way they would fit in a normal car. afaik only the totl altis even had any kind of folding seats and it was just the folding backrest type, not even close to the versatility of ULT

as for power the idsi is a weird engine. 8 sparks, 8 valves so torque comes early you could do all your driving under 2000rpm so yeah you could drive it very economically. but 8 valves means it can't breathe well so it kinda sucks at high RPM, but then again you don't need to rev this engine at all. max torque is at just 2800 rpm. so 1st gear at 2800rpm lets you climb all the steepest roads

on the highway it's not so bad either, i've taken it to 160kph

[otomobil]

[QUOTE=nicolo;3207146]Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

[tarzegetakizerd]

[QUOTE=otomobil;3215010]

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

ATF lang alam kong maarte. Iba naman gamit kong brand sa engine oil. Hindi ko lang sure sa MTF (Manual transmission fluid) or sa Powersteering Fluid (EPS kasi ako)

[Egan101]

[QUOTE=otomobil;3215010]

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

I would look at the Civic FD (2006-2011) instead of those two cars you mentioned.

For Honda, better stick with their ATF and PSF. Dami na horror stories of people not using such fluids and it caused a nightmare of repairs for their old Hondas. Mayrun naman outside shops nagbebenta ng Honda fluids.


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[baludoy]

[QUOTE=otomobil;3215010]

Ah ok sir. Sa casa lang din pwede mabili? And ATF pang matic di ba? Kung manual?
Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

sa atf and cvtf lang naman strictly dapat honda fluid. iyong iba pwede na pero i'd recommend iyong coolant sa honda na din galing para iwas sakit ng ulo. especially kapag type 2 coolant ang gamit.

sa dami ng fake ngayon safe pa din sa casa ng honda bumili although meron na din mga third party sellers na mapagkakatiwalaan.

[17Sphynx17]

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

CVTF yung pinakasensitive and medyo nakakatakot na hindi sundin yung casa oil.

I don't follow Honda PH CVTF change interval of 2 years but our 08 idsi City is still around with not much of an issue on the transmission part. But we do only have it done by Honda Casa. Hehe! Iwas sakit ulo lang when we feel it needs to be changed.

[Vodka]

Thank you sa inyong lahat sirs.

Yung interior size I think is not that much of a concern for us. Maliliit lang kasi kami husband and wife plus my teenager kid and a 9 year old. Previous gamit namin is Vios both gen 1 and 2 ok naman sa min.

Gusto ko sanang i-try yung Honda kung sa power vs altis eh di naman nagkakalayo. Concern ko lang kung mag Honda ako either yung City idsi or Civic '05 (7th gen?) is yung maintenance.

Totoo ba na hindi pwede ang ibang fluids sa Honda? and if so sa casa lang ba ng Honda pwedeng bumili ng fluids?

Thanks!

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you can use non-proprietary engine oil, MTF, brake/clutch fluid. cooling system uses oat coolant (honda type2) the original fill lasts 10yrs, then replace every 5yrs.


17Sphynx17,

yep the 06 city has ULT seats. afaik they removed it in 08

[nicolo]

Maraming-maraming salamat ulit mga sirs.

So pag manual pala hindi naman kailangang Honda transmission fluid.

Bale so tatlo na lang pagpipilian ko. City na iDsi, Altis 9th gen, Civic 7th gen (ito yung ES, eagle eye or Dimension na nakikita ko sa mga ad tama po ba)

Bale matter of odo na lang ang labanan nila.

Yung sa Civic 7th gen pala wala akong alam. Ano-ano po ba yung variants nila?

Thanks ulit mga sirs.

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