Help! Buying On 2nd Hand Car Shops or Buying On Private Sellers Online?

[dr. d]

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Depende po kasi sa gamit nyo sir. Kung daily driven talaga sya better get the diesel variant. Kung d naman gaano magagamit i'll go for the gas variant dahil mas matipid sa maintenance at mas mura piyesa kesa sa diesel po

diesels do not have distributor, hi tension cables, sparking plugs.
fuel expenses are also cheaper by, say, 25 %.
so why is diesel vehicle maintenance more expensive than its gasoline counterpart?

[robgowild]

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diesels do not have distributor, hi tension cables, sparking plugs.
fuel expenses are also cheaper by, say, 25 %.
so why is diesel vehicle maintenance more expensive than its gasoline counterpart?

Sir diesel engines has a glow plug instead of a spark plug. Aside from that diesel engines has more component parts than a gasoline engine so mas madaming parts na pwede ma wear thats why siguro mas mahal maintenance ng diesel compare to gasoline engines.

[dr. d]

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Sir diesel engines has a glow plug instead of a spark plug. Aside from that diesel engines has more component parts than a gasoline engine so mas madaming parts na pwede ma wear thats why siguro mas mahal maintenance ng diesel compare to gasoline engines.

my 2005 D4d is almost 100K now. and i haven't changed anything at all in the engine bay, except for the air cleaner element, that damned fuel filter, a couple of headlight bulbs, the battery (2x na), and of course, the oil.
when should the glow plug be changed?

[vvti2.0]

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diesels do not have distributor, hi tension cables, sparking plugs.
fuel expenses are also cheaper by, say, 25 %.
so why is diesel vehicle maintenance more expensive than its gasoline counterpart?

Di na uso paps high tension cables ngayun. Wala na rin distributor na kagaya nung old school na mechanical.

Yung ignition coil, naka direct attachment sa spark plug na, so low voltage na lang tumatakbo sa linya compared before.

[dr. d]

Di na uso paps high tension cables ngayun. Wala na rin distributor na kagaya nung old school na mechanical.

Yung ignition coil, naka direct attachment sa spark plug na, so low voltage na lang tumatakbo sa linya compared before.

ah... my age shows.
so how much is this ignition coil-cum-sparkplug assembly?

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Di na uso paps high tension cables ngayun. Wala na rin distributor na kagaya nung old school na mechanical.

Yung ignition coil, naka direct attachment sa spark plug na, so low voltage na lang tumatakbo sa linya compared before.

ah... my age shows.
so how much is this ignition coil-cum-sparkplug assembly?

[vvti2.0]

Depende po kasi sa gamit nyo sir. Kung daily driven talaga sya better get the diesel variant. Kung d naman gaano magagamit i'll go for the gas variant dahil mas matipid sa maintenance at mas mura piyesa kesa sa diesel po

We have a 2008 VVTi E variant, and I agree with this, pero dapat ma define yung "hindi gaano magagamit". Yung sa amin nakuha for 300k nung 2013 nasa 49k km mileage, pinalitan ko iridium spark plugs and palit oem na air filter, around PhP 3.5k rin. Monthly mileage ko is around 400 km, fuel is around 2.5k per month. So tingin medyo sulit na yung pagkakabili ko.

Sa Toyota Innova Club Philippines, may nag post na 2 months ago nakabili sa isang car dealership ng Toyota VVTi G 2008 model for around 480k.. Parang ang mahal para sa akin for a VVTi.

Parts and maintenance almost the same lang yan, sa VVTi fuel filter costs PhP 3k, pero pagpapalit mo after 80k km, isasabay mo baba ng fuel tank and replace the parts inside also. So baka abutin ka mga 6k more or less.

Sa diesel, di ko alam palitan ng fuel filter, pero at least may available ata na hindi oem, palitan is as needed. Medyo mabigat lang ay yung pag palit ng timing belt tapos yung set nya, pero after 150k km pa yun.

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Depende po kasi sa gamit nyo sir. Kung daily driven talaga sya better get the diesel variant. Kung d naman gaano magagamit i'll go for the gas variant dahil mas matipid sa maintenance at mas mura piyesa kesa sa diesel po

We have a 2008 VVTi E variant, and I agree with this, pero dapat ma define yung "hindi gaano magagamit". Yung sa amin nakuha for 300k nung 2013 nasa 49k km mileage, pinalitan ko iridium spark plugs and palit oem na air filter, around PhP 3.5k rin. Monthly mileage ko is around 400 km, fuel is around 2.5k per month. So tingin medyo sulit na yung pagkakabili ko.

Sa Toyota Innova Club Philippines, may nag post na 2 months ago nakabili sa isang car dealership ng Toyota VVTi G 2008 model for around 480k.. Parang ang mahal para sa akin for a VVTi.

Parts and maintenance almost the same lang yan, sa VVTi fuel filter costs PhP 3k, pero pagpapalit mo after 80k km, isasabay mo baba ng fuel tank and replace the parts inside also. So baka abutin ka mga 6k more or less.

Sa diesel, di ko alam palitan ng fuel filter, pero at least may available ata na hindi oem, palitan is as needed. Medyo mabigat lang ay yung pag palit ng timing belt tapos yung set nya, pero after 150k km pa yun.

[SkyFlakes88]

We have a 2008 VVTi E variant, and I agree with this, pero dapat ma define yung "hindi gaano magagamit". Yung sa amin nakuha for 300k nung 2013 nasa 49k km mileage, pinalitan ko iridium spark plugs and palit oem na air filter, around PhP 3.5k rin. Monthly mileage ko is around 400 km, fuel is around 2.5k per month. So tingin medyo sulit na yung pagkakabili ko.

Sa Toyota Innova Club Philippines, may nag post na 2 months ago nakabili sa isang car dealership ng Toyota VVTi G 2008 model for around 480k.. Parang ang mahal para sa akin for a VVTi.

Parts and maintenance almost the same lang yan, sa VVTi fuel filter costs PhP 3k, pero pagpapalit mo after 80k km, isasabay mo baba ng fuel tank and replace the parts inside also. So baka abutin ka mga 6k more or less.

Sa diesel, di ko alam palitan ng fuel filter, pero at least may available ata na hindi oem, palitan is as needed. Medyo mabigat lang ay yung pag palit ng timing belt tapos yung set nya, pero after 150k km pa yun.

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We have a 2008 VVTi E variant, and I agree with this, pero dapat ma define yung "hindi gaano magagamit". Yung sa amin nakuha for 300k nung 2013 nasa 49k km mileage, pinalitan ko iridium spark plugs and palit oem na air filter, around PhP 3.5k rin. Monthly mileage ko is around 400 km, fuel is around 2.5k per month. So tingin medyo sulit na yung pagkakabili ko.

Sa Toyota Innova Club Philippines, may nag post na 2 months ago nakabili sa isang car dealership ng Toyota VVTi G 2008 model for around 480k.. Parang ang mahal para sa akin for a VVTi.

Parts and maintenance almost the same lang yan, sa VVTi fuel filter costs PhP 3k, pero pagpapalit mo after 80k km, isasabay mo baba ng fuel tank and replace the parts inside also. So baka abutin ka mga 6k more or less.

Sa diesel, di ko alam palitan ng fuel filter, pero at least may available ata na hindi oem, palitan is as needed. Medyo mabigat lang ay yung pag palit ng timing belt tapos yung set nya, pero after 150k km pa yun.

Yun pong meaning ko sa d gaano nagagamit is yun weekend use lang po sya at 2nd vehicle lang po sya.

[dr. d]

anubakayo!! plano ko pa namang bumili ng slightly used D4d na AT...

[SkyFlakes88]

Tama po sir robgowild. Had a friend na nasira yun fuel pump nang innova nila na diesel.Cost was 70k to replace the whole part. nabarahan dahil sa free diesel na binigay sa kanya. After the replacement binenta na yun innova kumuha na lang nang gasoline fed car. Grabe daw pala pag nasira yun mga engine parts nang diesel lalo na pag crdi na.

[dr. d]

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Tama po sir robgowild. Had a friend na nasira yun fuel pump nang innova nila na diesel.Cost was 70k to replace the whole part. nabarahan dahil sa free diesel na binigay sa kanya. After the replacement binenta na yun innova kumuha na lang nang gasoline fed car. Grabe daw pala pag nasira yun mga engine parts nang diesel lalo na pag crdi na.

kawawa naman siya... but was that the only possible solution? or is it because he chose to believe the shop... hook, line and sinker..?

so is this a common enough occurence? or is it one isolated example?
what if i narrate to you the story of my colleague's vvti block head that had to be changed because the engine overheated, the head gasket blew, and the head warped? will you avoid vvtis altogether?

let's talk about normal wear and tear... disasters are patent to neither diesel or gas...

[vvti2.0]

Tama po sir robgowild. Had a friend na nasira yun fuel pump nang innova nila na diesel.Cost was 70k to replace the whole part. nabarahan dahil sa free diesel na binigay sa kanya. After the replacement binenta na yun innova kumuha na lang nang gasoline fed car. Grabe daw pala pag nasira yun mga engine parts nang diesel lalo na pag crdi na.

Bago bumigay fuel pump mo, yung dalawang filter muna ng D4D ang bibigay, yung sa tanke at sa labas, either defective yung fuel pump na naikabit from the factory or sadyang madumi fuel nya.

And totoo mahal fuel pump ng diesel sa VVTi it will cost you 9k sa Toyorama and that is OEM.

Yung usapan naman is normal wear and tear, yung fuel pump di normal na masira yan, may mga 4JA1, kalahating milyon na tinakbo wala issue sa fuel pump.

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Tama po sir robgowild. Had a friend na nasira yun fuel pump nang innova nila na diesel.Cost was 70k to replace the whole part. nabarahan dahil sa free diesel na binigay sa kanya. After the replacement binenta na yun innova kumuha na lang nang gasoline fed car. Grabe daw pala pag nasira yun mga engine parts nang diesel lalo na pag crdi na.

Bago bumigay fuel pump mo, yung dalawang filter muna ng D4D ang bibigay, yung sa tanke at sa labas, either defective yung fuel pump na naikabit from the factory or sadyang madumi fuel nya.

And totoo mahal fuel pump ng diesel sa VVTi it will cost you 9k sa Toyorama and that is OEM.

Yung usapan naman is normal wear and tear, yung fuel pump di normal na masira yan, may mga 4JA1, kalahating milyon na tinakbo wala issue sa fuel pump.

[SkyFlakes88]

Bago bumigay fuel pump mo, yung dalawang filter muna ng D4D ang bibigay, yung sa tanke at sa labas, either defective yung fuel pump na naikabit from the factory or sadyang madumi fuel nya.

And totoo mahal fuel pump ng diesel sa VVTi it will cost you 9k sa Toyorama and that is OEM.

Yung usapan naman is normal wear and tear, yung fuel pump di normal na masira yan, may mga 4JA1, kalahating milyon na tinakbo wala issue sa fuel pump.

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Bago bumigay fuel pump mo, yung dalawang filter muna ng D4D ang bibigay, yung sa tanke at sa labas, either defective yung fuel pump na naikabit from the factory or sadyang madumi fuel nya.

And totoo mahal fuel pump ng diesel sa VVTi it will cost you 9k sa Toyorama and that is OEM.

Yung usapan naman is normal wear and tear, yung fuel pump di normal na masira yan, may mga 4JA1, kalahating milyon na tinakbo wala issue sa fuel pump.

Yun po ang dapat na mangyari na yun filters muna. Pero in this case po it did not happened that way sir.

D nga po normal but may chance na mangyari po and it happened nga sir sa friend ko po. Kaya nga po sabi ko pag nasira sir e. Lahat na natipid nyo sa diesel ilalabas nyo din sa parts nya.

[robgowild]

If we are talking about 2nd hand cars, siguro we should also consider other things na pwede bumigay sa sasakyan not only the normal wear and tear provided na di naman natin alam kung pano na maintain ng previous owner yung sasakyan.

Also keep in mind, a person would not sell his car for no reason.

[vvti2.0]

If we are talking about 2nd hand cars, siguro we should also consider other things na pwede bumigay sa sasakyan not only the normal wear and tear provided na di naman natin alam kung pano na maintain ng previous owner yung sasakyan.

Also keep in mind, a person would not sell his car for no reason.

Seaman may ari ng nabili namin na Innova, nagpalit ng Everest, ni trade-in nya, at nagmamadali. Lumabas 270k, kasi yung 100k discount ng dealer na para sana sa kanya ay sa akin ibinigay, so wala sya discount na nakuha sa Ford.

Yan ang style ng mga sales agent sa casa kapag nag trade-in ka. Yung discount mo, ibibigay yan sa bibili ng sasakyan mo which is suki nung sales agent na buy and sell.

Doble kita, kumita na sya sa sales galing sa insurance at bangko, meron pa siya na kita sa buy and sell.

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If we are talking about 2nd hand cars, siguro we should also consider other things na pwede bumigay sa sasakyan not only the normal wear and tear provided na di naman natin alam kung pano na maintain ng previous owner yung sasakyan.

Also keep in mind, a person would not sell his car for no reason.

Seaman may ari ng nabili namin na Innova, nagpalit ng Everest, ni trade-in nya, at nagmamadali. Lumabas 270k, kasi yung 100k discount ng dealer na para sana sa kanya ay sa akin ibinigay, so wala sya discount na nakuha sa Ford.

Yan ang style ng mga sales agent sa casa kapag nag trade-in ka. Yung discount mo, ibibigay yan sa bibili ng sasakyan mo which is suki nung sales agent na buy and sell.

Doble kita, kumita na sya sa sales galing sa insurance at bangko, meron pa siya na kita sa buy and sell.

[robgowild]

Innova na 270k lang. Whooa.

[SkyFlakes88]

*vvti2.0 yun pong gamit nyo na 400kms/month e sa akin d nga po masyado nagagamit. Kaya ok yun gas fed innova nyo sa usage na ganyan.

Average km po kasi is 10 to 12k a year. Yun innova nyo po nasa 4,800kms lang po a year sir.

[SkyFlakes88]

Yun pong pump na yun is fuel injector din ang tawag sa lumang diesel engine sir. Yun kina calibrate sa old diesel engine po sir

[SkyFlakes88]

*robgowild, sir brand new po yun innova nila nabili. Sila po 1st owner po. Madumi lang yun free na diesel nailagay talaga po

[SkyFlakes88]

*dr. d. Sir kaya nga po pag daily driven sa diesel ako pero pag 2nd car lang basta mga auv,vans etc. sa gas na ako lalagay

[vvti2.0]

Sa case kasi ng Innova, yung price difference ng D4D at VVTi sa 2nd hand market ay nakakadisgana.

Sa brand new, D4D cost 55k more sa VVTi. Pero sa 2nd hand market, umaabot ito ng di bababa sa 150k, that is same variant and year model.

And to think, sa 2nd hand market, mas mataas yung mileage ng diesel na for sale compared sa gas. Yung bukambibig lang dyan lagi ng ahente or ng buy and sell, tipid yung diesel hehehe...

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Sa case kasi ng Innova, yung price difference ng D4D at VVTi sa 2nd hand market ay nakakadisgana.

Sa brand new, D4D cost 55k more sa VVTi. Pero sa 2nd hand market, umaabot ito ng di bababa sa 150k, that is same variant and year model.

And to think, sa 2nd hand market, mas mataas yung mileage ng diesel na for sale compared sa gas. Yung bukambibig lang dyan lagi ng ahente or ng buy and sell, tipid yung diesel hehehe...