Elantra 1.8 or Honda Jazz 1.5 EX AT or Ford Focus Sport 5dr or OTHERS

[dct]

I find this mentality to be awfully outdated. Specifically for the Elantra, no major issues have been reported and it's been around for over a year.

Perhaps it's the dealer support that could be improved on, but that's HARI's fault and not Hyundai's.

The Elantra wouldn't win car of the year in 4 different countries if it wasn't a good car.

I also find it funny that despite Toyota's numerous mishaps in the previous years (unintended acceleration, engine sludge, D4D injector problems), diehard Jap brand fanboys still regard it as a bulletproof brand while they can't seem to give Korean manufacturers a break.

Elantra is good. or rather hyundai is good. malaki talaga improvement nila, design, features, lalo na sa engine, ang lakas. but the thing is, when it comes to reliability, durability, parts, after-sales, talo sila sa japanese. and also, you said dealer support that could be improved on. e sa dealer din sya bibili e. haha :D not a hater of hyundai, just an opinion and observation from experience

[jut703]

Durability, parts and after-sales service aren't the end all and be all of car purchases. They're just part of the set of factors that buyers need to consider when buying a car.

To some, reliability is the utmost priority. Others will be more bold and would be willing to deviate from the established brands in exchange for a better packaged car.

It's a matter of preference, but I don't see how making a sweeping statement to avoid Korean brands in particular has its place in an objective discussion.

[Starex_Gold]

From the other thread

There's really no point in making noise in these forums to pursue other people not to patronize a certain brand or product. While it is true that sharing this information will help others make sound decisions on a purchase, you really can't dissuade someone whose mind is set on something. If they really want a Hyundai, they will get a Hyundai.

Agree?

[dct]

it's just my opinion sir. i am part of that some who prioritize reliability. i'm just sharing my thoughts to sir RazorWolf that in his case, saying he has zero knowledge about cars, he should be careful in choosing the reliability part. that's all

[Verbl Kint]

it's just my opinion sir. i am part of that some who prioritize reliability. i'm just sharing my thoughts to sir RazorWolf that in his case, saying he has zero knowledge about cars, he should be careful in choosing the reliability part. that's all

Your concerns are rightly put if Hyunda-Kia had not invested in heavy R&D spending. The fact that they offer a 5-year warranty bodes well for consumers since they themselves are sure that they would not lose money by offering such an extensive warranty.

We are 2 decades removed from the 1990's, where reliability concerns of korean cars were real problems.

[tomboy]

Pero kung altis vs elantra eh sa koreano na ako.

Sa mga choices mo ang jazz talaga ang godfather.

[bayen]

According to SG on another thread, the Focus diesel is still actually a tad over 1M at 1.015M. But consider this - it's a diesel compact that's more fuel efficient than any other compact, even the 1.6L Altis and Elantra, which are the most fuel efficient gas compacts.

Assuming that the Focus TDCi gets 10 km/L in the city while the Altis and Elantra get 9 km/L in the same conditions, that gas is at 48 pesos while diesel is at 39, and that you travel an annual mileage of about 15,000 KM:

Focus: (15,000 KM) / (10 km/L) * 39 Php/L = Php 58,500 per year
Altis: (15,000 KM) / (9 km/L) * 48 Php/L = Php 80,000 per year

That's an annual savings of 21,500. In about 2 years, you'd actually end up saving more if you got a Focus TDCi at 1.015M than an Altis 1.6V at 960k.

Also take note that the Focus TDCi is not only more fuel efficient, but it's much faster too.



Duratorq is just Ford's monicker for their diesel engine. It's the engine in the Focus TDCi that makes 136 hp and a whopping 340 Nm of torque (other compacts only have 170-200 Nm of torque). In case you might be wondering, torque is the engine's "pulling power" - basically it's a measure of how able the engine is in pulling the weight of the car and its passengers. Lots of torque in a car makes for easier overtaking maneuvers.



The JDM Jazz is more expensive and its features have been compared to the Thai model in a prior post. Personally I prefer the Thai Jazz because I find the extra features of the JDM Jazz to be mostly fluff - I can honestly live without them and invest the extra 40k on something else.

very good point stated regarding the Ford Focus TDCI.
I'd go for the Ford Focus TDCI on this one mainly considering 2 factors

1. size of the car for the TS ( no offense sir) i think you'd be more comfortable in a compact car than a subcompact one. although i have a friend, also big boned, who fits perfectly in a Jazz.
2. pulling power and excellent Fuel Efficiency of the Focus. plus its freakin diesel!
id go for the hatch. for me looks better.

or you may also want to consider an XUV or SUV, with your budget a kia soul or the entry level tucson would suffice. dont expect a good fuel efficiency though.

heres my last tip, go to the dealership and do extensive test drives or at least sit inside one. believe me you will know once you have the right car. i cant explain it but in your heart you will know which car FEELS right for you. thats what happened to me 2 years back. i just knew the jazz was for me.

good luck bro and welcome to tiskot.com

[iceblueyes]

Your concerns are rightly put if Hyunda-Kia had not invested in heavy R&D spending. The fact that they offer a 5-year warranty bodes well for consumers since they themselves are sure that they would not lose money by offering such an extensive warranty.

We are 2 decades removed from the 1990's, where reliability concerns of korean cars were real problems.

I don't believe the 5yr warranty has much "value" here. For one, you would have to have it maintained by the casa. Thats expensive and still subject to "horror stories" kung malasin ka nga naman.

[dr. d]

I don't believe the 5yr warranty has much "value" here. For one, you would have to have it maintained by the casa. Thats expensive and still subject to "horror stories" kung malasin ka nga naman.

to me, the 5 year warranty serves the carmaker well:
first, it convinces the convinceable, that the car is so well-made, the maker is willing to gamble on giving an unprecedented 5 year warranty. this translates to more cars sold.
second, it will generate income for the casa by locking in the car's maintenance to the casa for the next 5 years! talk about captive audience!
and since the majority of car buyers are of average car savvy... heh heh.
and what is my take on korean vehicles? let's just say, i lived with one for 9 years.

[dr. d]

Pero kung altis vs elantra eh sa koreano na ako.

Sa mga choices mo ang jazz talaga ang godfather.

errr... what does godfather mean?
is he the guy who gives us gifts on our birthday, or is he the cold-blooded killer?

[Starex_Gold]

errr... what does godfather mean?
is he the guy who gives us gifts on our birthday, or is he the cold-blooded killer?

Baka dahil Honda.....

[GTi]

very good point stated regarding the Ford Focus TDCI.
I'd go for the Ford Focus TDCI on this one mainly considering 2 factors

1. size of the car for the TS ( no offense sir) i think you'd be more comfortable in a compact car than a subcompact one. although i have a friend, also big boned, who fits perfectly in a Jazz.
2. pulling power and excellent Fuel Efficiency of the Focus. plus its freakin diesel!
id go for the hatch. for me looks better.

or you may also want to consider an XUV or SUV, with your budget a kia soul or the entry level tucson would suffice. dont expect a good fuel efficiency though.

heres my last tip, go to the dealership and do extensive test drives or at least sit inside one. believe me you will know once you have the right car. i cant explain it but in your heart you will know which car FEELS right for you. thats what happened to me 2 years back. i just knew the jazz was for me.

good luck bro and welcome to tiskot.com

The Focus TDCi gives massive gas savings, especially with light footed driving. But we must also consider that a sizeable chunk of that savings would go to maintenance cost- which is significantly higher than the gas powered competition. Being a diesel means strictly following the 5000km oil change interval. Amount of motor oil to be used is also significantly more. But I'd still like to have one though. Although I'm positive it can benefit with some more features like steering wheel mounted controls, cruise control, bigger rims, and perhaps a sunroof.

About the Jazz. A family friend of ours has a 2005 Jazz 1.5VTEC CVT. I've ridden it, and it really is very cavernous inside. I daresay that front legroom is comparable to our 7th gen Accord, and headroom is actually much more abundant than the Accord's. If you're inside, you would think you're in a much bigger car. It feels much like being inside a compact SUV! But he shared that his Jazz gets just around 8km/L city. Acceptable, but not exceptionally good, I should say.

[bayen]

The Focus TDCi gives massive gas savings, especially with light footed driving. But we must also consider that a sizeable chunk of that savings would go to maintenance cost- which is significantly higher than the gas powered competition. Being a diesel means strictly following the 5000km oil change interval. Amount of motor oil to be used is also significantly more. But I'd still like to have one though. Although I'm positive it can benefit with some more features like steering wheel mounted controls, cruise control, bigger rims, and perhaps a sunroof.

About the Jazz. A family friend of ours has a 2005 Jazz 1.5VTEC CVT. I've ridden it, and it really is very cavernous inside. I daresay that front legroom is comparable to our 7th gen Accord, and headroom is actually much more abundant than the Accord's. If you're inside, you would think you're in a much bigger car. It feels much like being inside a compact SUV! But he shared that his Jazz gets just around 8km/L city. Acceptable, but not exceptionally good, I should say.

cant really comment much on PMS cost for the focus tdci as i have no clue as of the moment. i have yet to check the PMS cost. true, bigger engine (2.0) more oil needed. although there would be choices for either mineral or synthetic, if strictly following the 5K interval, to save a little, mineral or semi synthetic would be okay i guess.

the jazz indeed is king when it comes to space considering that its under the subcompact category. i get the same response from friends who get to ride with me.
i get 10-11KM/L daily short drives.

[RazorWolf]

Thanks for the feedback guys! I'm a little overwhelmed by the information given on the replies. I'll make sure to seriously consider your opinions.

[RazorWolf]

Hi Tsikot Experts!!

After much deliberation based on price, "looks", performance/fuel efficiency, the opinions of Tsikot (and other forums) members and of course, my budget, I've finally decided to get the HYUNDAI ELANTRA 1.8 GLS. To be honest, I would have loved the Ford Focus Diesel but it's out of my budget. Thanks again for the valuable feedback that everyone here gave me.

Now, it's time for me to look for a bank that can give me the best deal/lowest interest. My budget is 15k a month after the downpayment. Do you guys have any advise for me or should I just create another topic?

[eido]

Sir out na yung Thai civics. Baka gusto mo tumingin muna bago mag decide bumili. The 1.8 elantra however has more features? compared to same price bracket (almost) 1.8s at Honda civic. elantra has side mirror signal lamp, folding back seats, Fog lamps. Civic has Econ button. Yun lang haha. Not sure Kung yung elantra may hands free function also kung power folding yung side mirror

[weisshorn]

Sir out na yung Thai civics. Baka gusto mo tumingin muna bago mag decide bumili. The 1.8 elantra however has more features? compared to same price bracket (almost) 1.8s at Honda civic. elantra has side mirror signal lamp, folding back seats, Fog lamps. Civic has Econ button. Yun lang haha. Not sure Kung yung elantra may hands free function also kung power folding yung side mirror

Elantra 1.8 GLS may eco mode via steering wheel button, you will push push till eco appear in the lcd.Di ko pa na try ang hands free function (kung meron, I'm not much on this) but no folding side mirror. 6 spd tranny elantra, civic is 5 spd only??don't know this eh.

[macstar1]

Hi Tsikot Experts!!

After much deliberation based on price, "looks", performance/fuel efficiency, the opinions of Tsikot (and other forums) members and of course, my budget, I've finally decided to get the HYUNDAI ELANTRA 1.8 GLS. To be honest, I would have loved the Ford Focus Diesel but it's out of my budget. Thanks again for the valuable feedback that everyone here gave me.

Now, it's time for me to look for a bank that can give me the best deal/lowest interest. My budget is 15k a month after the downpayment. Do you guys have any advise for me or should I just create another topic?

Good choice!

I've had a few japanese cars before going the korean route. Quite frankly, my 2 hyundai's (tucson, elantra) surprised me when it comes to reliability. 5 years na ang tucson ko at wala akong naging major issue except for the code alarm control unit which have to be replaced. No problem so far with my Elantra GLS although its too early to tell since one year pa lang.

In contrast, i had to replace my city's shocks and bearings on its 3rd year. The navara also had issues with the door locks on its first year.

However, tama yung comments ng iba regarding hyundai casa's. Be careful dahil maraming mapagsamantalang service centers ang hyundai (though ganoon din si honda).

I ended up bringing my hyundais to hyundai dasma. Medyo maliit pero di gahaman yung mga service advisor nila.

[eido]

Sir weisshorn paki check naman kung may Bluetooth hands free elantra mo. 5 speed pala civic. Yung Eco mode ni elantra sa 1.8 lang? Same function ba sya ng Eco mode ni civic?

[Starex_Gold]

Sir weisshorn paki check naman kung may Bluetooth hands free elantra mo. 5 speed pala civic. Yung Eco mode ni elantra sa 1.8 lang? Same function ba sya ng Eco mode ni civic?

Wala bluetooth ang Elantra.

Accent 1.6GLS Blue meron.

Walang ECO button ang Elantra.