defective brand new car

**yebo** · March 24th, 2017 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by lowslowbenz

Yes.

And its not cheap too.

2 years ago the.motolite equivalent at the mazda dealership for the cx5 was 15k, more than double the price of an ordinary 2sm battery. and the azda owners i talked to said maswerte na kung tumagal ng 6 months.

tipid ka nga sa gasolina pero gagastos ka naman sa baterya. sakit pa ng ulo.

**rfj** · March 24th, 2017 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by oj88

i-Stop requires a deep cycle battery. Is that what they gave you, 5x?

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/techn...pecial-battery

yes, deep cycle batteries. Since onset of car purchase i'd make sure i-stop always deactivated which is all more confusing

**rfj** · March 24th, 2017 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by yebo

1st, i used to own a mazda bt50. yes it was also "sirain", 3x pinalitan ang turbo and 2 other problems with the turbo hoses. so pabalik-balik ako sa mazda dealership at madami ako nakausap dun na ibang mazda owners na may problem sa i-stop.

hindi ka nagiisa. sirain talaga battery nyang i-stop na yan. imho it is not the system itself but the traffic situation in our country. yang i-stop na yan ok lang yan pag nasa stop light ka at naka-stop. pero sa stop and go traffic natin kahit anong battery ilagay mo hindi talaga kakayanin. and as far as the other mazda owners i talked to ang only solution nila was to turn off i-stop. run you vehicle like any other vehicle, continuous running of the engine with i-stop disabled.

as for the lemon law is concerned forget it. my lawyer looked at my case and the advice i got was "don't even bother". the philippine version of the lemon law is heàvily in favor of car manufacturers. for one, there is a depreciation clause that says the buyer needs to pay depreciation of 20% per year or fraction thereof. so since more than 1 year na yan then the depreciation is 40%. even if you win the case at the dti you will need to pay 40% of the brand new price for them to replace your vehicle or give you a refund less 40%. plus lawyer's fees, e baka wala na matira sa iyo.

what did i do? i sold my bt50. yung tao na din sa dealership ang nagbenta on the condition na hindi ako pwedeng habulin ng buyer at sila ang sasagot. but since the vehicle was still under warranty wala naman naging problem.

so your options are: 1, turn off the i-stop like what the others did. or 2, sell it and pass the headache to someone else. sell it through the dealership with the understanding that it will be an as-is basis sale.

Wow, great to hear your very own sad experience. Somehow am given light in this predicament am in. Frustrating to hear though what the lemon law is all about...kawawa lang din pala ang consumers.
Dealer has been aware that ever since, the i-stop feature has never been used since the i-eloop warning complicates the system even more. Selling the car thru the dealer sounds perfect. Will surely look into this.
BTW, was your mazda BT-50 problem just recent too?

Originally Posted by JJB

Maybe you can approach local automotive journalists here like james deakin or top gear. They might be able to help you. You can even ask them for help thru their FB pages to get more media mileage to your situation. Flood mazda fb page with complaints too.

Nice input. Might just look into your suggestion to get some hope

**minicarph** · March 24th, 2017 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by yebo

1st, i used to own a mazda bt50. yes it was also "sirain", 3x pinalitan ang turbo and 2 other problems with the turbo hoses. so pabalik-balik ako sa mazda dealership at madami ako nakausap dun na ibang mazda owners na may problem sa i-stop.

hindi ka nagiisa. sirain talaga battery nyang i-stop na yan. imho it is not the system itself but the traffic situation in our country. yang i-stop na yan ok lang yan pag nasa stop light ka at naka-stop. pero sa stop and go traffic natin kahit anong battery ilagay mo hindi talaga kakayanin. and as far as the other mazda owners i talked to ang only solution nila was to turn off i-stop. run you vehicle like any other vehicle, continuous running of the engine with i-stop disabled.

as for the lemon law is concerned forget it. my lawyer looked at my case and the advice i got was "don't even bother". the philippine version of the lemon law is heàvily in favor of car manufacturers. for one, there is a depreciation clause that says the buyer needs to pay depreciation of 20% per year or fraction thereof. so since more than 1 year na yan then the depreciation is 40%. even if you win the case at the dti you will need to pay 40% of the brand new price for them to replace your vehicle or give you a refund less 40%. plus lawyer's fees, e baka wala na matira sa iyo.

what did i do? i sold my bt50. yung tao na din sa dealership ang nagbenta on the condition na hindi ako pwedeng habulin ng buyer at sila ang sasagot. but since the vehicle was still under warranty wala naman naging problem.

so your options are: 1, turn off the i-stop like what the others did. or 2, sell it and pass the headache to someone else. sell it through the dealership with the understanding that it will be an as-is basis sale.

buti dinespatsa mo na yan mazda pickup mo fafa, di ba yun mukhang comedy na pickup

**yebo** · March 24th, 2017 11:35 PM

bought the bt50 feb 2014, sold it aug 2015.

yup OB, yung pickup na may amber kilay.

**c_cube** · March 25th, 2017 01:13 AM

Hindi talaga okay ang istop sa traffic conditions natin dito sa pinas, lalo na manila. Kaya kapag heavy traffic, off istop ko

For the battery naman, pwede ang amaron, no need to buy the expensive 15k batt from casa. Yun oem batt ko tumagal ng 35 months

Using amaron since june 2016, gumagana istop and no problem so far.

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**rfj** · March 27th, 2017 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by c_cube

Hindi talaga okay ang istop sa traffic conditions natin dito sa pinas, lalo na manila. Kaya kapag heavy traffic, off istop ko

For the battery naman, pwede ang amaron, no need to buy the expensive 15k batt from casa. Yun oem batt ko tumagal ng 35 months

Using amaron since june 2016, gumagana istop and no problem so far.

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thanks for sharing sir, definitely worth trying!

**AltisAndMZ3FAN** · March 27th, 2017 12:03 PM

Nako, plano ko pa naman bumili ng 2nd hand MZ3 2.0, kita naman sa user ko fan talaga ako nito. Mukhang wag muna pala hahaha

**rfj** · March 28th, 2017 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by AltisAndMZ3FAN

Nako, plano ko pa naman bumili ng 2nd hand MZ3 2.0, kita naman sa user ko fan talaga ako nito. Mukhang wag muna pala hahaha

good choice sir, not worth it talaga... looks can be deceiving

**rudy_corolla** · April 3rd, 2017 02:18 PM

Anong symptoms ang napansin mo bago mo dinala sa dealer? Hard-starting ba o ayaw na talagang mag-start?
Gaano kalayo ang normal drive mo? baka naman malapit lang kaya di maka-charge ng battery?

Originally Posted by rfj

Anybody have any idea or inputs on where to go if you are being aggrieved by your car dealer? Bought a brand new but defective car and through provincial dealer is extending continued warranty, the electronic problem persists. Unlike car trouble which are mechanical in nature, spare parts can easily rectify the problem. However, ours is a software issue which even local dealer is not familiar with. Diagnosis is always inaccurate and incomplete. Car's main and international offices are very uncooperative. DTI likewise cannot offer any help since problem with car is already over a year. We seem to be in a dead end. Talong-talo tayong consumer dito. Once bayad na ang kotse, wala ng pakialam ang mga dealers. Laking lugi. What do you think guys?