Car Buying Modus sa CASA

[carxynogen]

Post ko lang dito tong na bisto ni Sen Raffy Tulfo.



This is for everyone's reference na mag-ingat lalo na pag cash buyer ka.

Baka ma experience mo rin tong sinapit ng complainant.

If hindi na accidente yung owner, hindi niya malalaman na peke pala na OR/CR hinahawakan nya.
TLDR:
- Cash buyer bumili ng sasakyan sa Ford CASA, na accidente at nung lumabas ang police report, napag alaman niyang hindi pala nakapangalan sa kanya ang sasakyan.

[shadow]

Bakit hinde nag email sa kanya yun LTO ng OR:CR niya?


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[carxynogen]

Bakit hinde nag email sa kanya yun LTO ng OR:CR niya?


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Diba usually pag brand new car from CASA, sa CASA natin iclaim yung OR at CR once registered na?
Not sure sa ibang CASA if may i send din na email about your softcopy ng OR at CR.
Sa experience ko, the CASA just handover the original OR/CR harcopy papers together with the plate.

Eto yung nangyari sa kanya, ang harcopy OR/CR ay fake pala handed over from Ford.

Ford dapat managot nito, if sa US pa to nangyari, napakalaking lawsuit naghihintay sa kanila.
Hopefully can do the same here, lalo na Senador yung backer ng complainant.

[ice15]

Bakit hinde nag email sa kanya yun LTO ng OR:CR niya?


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same question...

and kung hindi nakapangalan syo yung car, hindi sya lalabas sa LTO Portal mo

[carxynogen]

same question...

and kung hindi nakapangalan syo yung car, hindi sya lalabas sa LTO Portal mo

Diba CASA yung nagprocess nito?

Curious din ako regarding the email from LTO.

Hindi pa kasi tie-up sa ltms portal yan from CASA.

Most buyers are not knowledgeable enough sa LTMS portal online.

Even sa pag apply ng license, iba pa nagtake ng exam nila.

[carxynogen]

Also pala, since hindi nakapangalan sa kanya original OR/CR, natural lang na wala siyang matanggap from LTO.

Yung registered na owner(fake) na police yung makatanggap nito.

[shadow]

Hinde ko pa rin maintindihan. Buying car in cash is pretty straight forward.


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[carxynogen]

Hinde ko pa rin maintindihan. Buying car in cash is pretty straight forward.


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Pinaikot sa isang agent lahat ng transaction.

Possible kasabwat din yung cashier ng agent.

Hindi ko maintindihan is bakit nakapangalan sa isang third party yung sasakyan na bayad na in cash.

Ano kalakaran sa loob ng CASA why nakalusot tong ganitong modus?

[oj88]

So basically..

2 victims:
Yung "real" owner na nasa kanya yung car, pero di naka-pangalan sa kanya
Yung "legal" na owner at "fall-guy" na pulis na wala sa kanya yung car pero naka-pangalan sa kanya.... at lumalabas na sya may utang sa bangko (na nag-default)

Minimum 3 suspects:
Yung sales agent
Yung isa pang pulis na batchmate nung fall-guy
Yung cashier or kung sino man sa billing dept. ng casa


Question now is, correct assumption ba na kung yung car mo nasa LTMS portal, ibig-sabihin everything is legit?

For context, I also bought my new vehicle brand new, cash. Although, I did get my original Sales Invoice from casa at listed naman sa LTMS portal ko yung car.

[shadow]

So basically..

2 victims:
Yung "real" owner na nasa kanya yung car, pero di naka-pangalan sa kanya
Yung "legal" na owner at "fall-guy" na pulis na wala sa kanya yung car pero naka-pangalan sa kanya.... at lumalabas na sya may utang sa bangko (na nag-default)

Minimum 3 suspects:
Yung sales agent
Yung isa pang pulis na batchmate nung fall-guy
Yung cashier or kung sino man sa billing dept. ng casa


Question now is, correct assumption ba na kung yung car mo nasa LTMS portal, ibig-sabihin everything is legit?

For context, I also bought my new vehicle brand new, cash. Although, I did get my original Sales Invoice from casa at listed naman sa LTMS portal ko yung car.

Exactly my point buying a car in cash is pretty straight forward, hinde ko ma gets paano wala sa name niya yun car.


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[carxynogen]

Exactly my point buying a car in cash is pretty straight forward, hinde ko ma gets paano wala sa name niya yun car.


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Possible po na si Agent ang may control anong unit ang ibibigay to the cash buyer.

Ginawa ni Agent, yung fake na OR/CR binigay kay buyer.

When in reality, ang original OR/CR is nakapangalan na kay fall guy at nakaloan (via cash reimbursement) yung car to bank.

Meaning po, nasa kay Agent lahat processing sa pag process ng brand new car purchases.

Malamang, tinago ni Agent yung original OR/CR, nagpagawa ng Fake OR/CR somewhere at yun ang ibinigay kay cash buyer.

I remember when I bought my car as cash at nagpa exchange ako sa bangko, inalam nila for what purpose.
Binigay ko is for brand new car purchase.
Inofferan ako ni bank manager na within 3 mos from when the brand new car was bought as long as less than 2k or 5k mileage ba yun, pwd daw mapa loan to bank.
Tinawag nila tong Cash Reimbursement.

Mas maliit daw interest nito compare sa traditional car loan.
Buong cash worth the brand new price ang ibibigay ng bank nila sayo.
After ma handover yung cash, mag kick-off na yung monthly mo sa bangko.

Malamang etong loan via cash reimbursement ginamit ni Agent para makuha as cash yung amount ng loan.

[carxynogen]

So basically..

2 victims:
Yung "real" owner na nasa kanya yung car, pero di naka-pangalan sa kanya
Yung "legal" na owner at "fall-guy" na pulis na wala sa kanya yung car pero naka-pangalan sa kanya.... at lumalabas na sya may utang sa bangko (na nag-default)

Minimum 3 suspects:
Yung sales agent
Yung isa pang pulis na batchmate nung fall-guy
Yung cashier or kung sino man sa billing dept. ng casa


Question now is, correct assumption ba na kung yung car mo nasa LTMS portal, ibig-sabihin everything is legit?

For context, I also bought my new vehicle brand new, cash. Although, I did get my original Sales Invoice from casa at listed naman sa LTMS portal ko yung car.

If tugma yung OR/CR sa nakapost sa LTMS portal, legit na po yun.

Sa situation sa scam nito, if iverify sa LTMS portal, nakapangalan to sa fall guy, not to the cash buyer.

Kasi ang hawak lang ng buyer is fake OR/CR.

[_Cathy_]

How did that happen e yung MC naka pangalan sa casa at may OR yun? Mainitindihan ko pa kung loan na nagka loko loko pero pag cash you pay sa casa and they give you the OR CR after some time.

[carxynogen]

How did that happen e yung MC naka pangalan sa casa at may OR yun? Mainitindihan ko pa kung loan na nagka loko loko pero pag cash you pay sa casa and they give you the OR CR after some time.

Hintayin natin part 2 ng investigation ni Raffy Tulfo nito.

Dami talagang questions paano nilakad ni Agent para makapangscam.

Mostly sa mga theories na shinare ko dito at shinare sa youtube video, mas kinikwestyon ko na rin paano nangyari.

Especially that paano na process ni Agent na ipangalan sa fall guy ang ownership ng unit for the car na ibigay to cash buyer.

[oj88]

Exactly my point buying a car in cash is pretty straight forward, hinde ko ma gets paano wala sa name niya yun car.

That's where the cashier/billing personnel comes in, I guess. The scam needs to be high up in the chain to be successful. Maybe even an LTO officer, who typically works in a satellite office inside casa, is also involved... who knows?

What is puzzling to me is that all paper trails will eventually go back to the suspects. It's not like they can just get away with it. So, were the suspects also using fake/stolen identities? Because they've done it with the "fall-guy" PNP policeman.

The more you think about it, the crime seems to be more sophisticated and intricately-planned than what's apparent on the surface.

[shadow]

That's where the cashier/billing personnel comes in, I guess. The scam needs to be high up in the chain to be successful. Maybe even an LTO officer, who typically works in a satellite office inside casa, is also involved... who knows?

What is puzzling to me is that all paper trails will eventually go back to the suspects. It's not like they can just get away with it. So, were the suspects also using fake/stolen identities? Because they've done it with the "fall-guy" PNP policeman.

The more you think about it, the crime seems to be more sophisticated and intricately-planned than what's apparent on the surface.

More sophisticated or the most stupid scheme. [emoji23]

So ano plan nila after 3 years pag nag renew na yun real owner?


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[Motortrend]

More sophisticated or the most stupid scheme. [emoji23]

So ano plan nila after 3 years pag nag renew na yun real owner?


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It's looking more like a stupid scheme.

[oj88]

More sophisticated or the most stupid scheme. [emoji23]

So ano plan nila after 3 years pag nag renew na yun real owner?


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It's looking more like a stupid scheme.

Baka itong "Erica" is actually a different person whose identity was stolen.

But yes... it can either be a very sophisticated scheme or a stupid one.

[dr. d]

Baka itong "Erica" is actually a different person whose identity was stolen.

But yes... it can either be a very sophisticated scheme or a stupid one.

in my opinion lang,
it's stupid.
because eventually lalabas ang katotohanan.

[ice15]

My personal theory of the modus...

Agent sees someone na walang alam in buying a car.

Car's "original owner" (as per OR/CR) is a police, once the car is fully paid, agent will call the lady asking for ransom to have the car transferred to her name. She can't call the cops kasi she will later learn na may mga police sa sindicate.

(having seen parts of the video, mali si Tulfo dito. Car will be OK as long as the lady keeps paying the bank monthly.)

If the lady does not cooperate, Original Owner (Police) can later declare the car as carnap giving the lady more headaches in the future.