2014 honda city 1.5e cvt or others?

[dr. d]

Telling people here that honda city is a cheapo car makes me think that you either a honda hater or you are a HONDA HATER

Or a filthy rich SOB

of course it's a cheapo car!
it's cheaper than the civic! or the accord!

cheapo does not refer to your buying ability... it refers to what the manufacturer has designed it for... and in this instance, it's cheaper than the civic and accord..

[jut703]

Telling people here that honda city is a cheapo car makes me think that you either a honda hater or you are a HONDA HATER

Or a filthy rich SOB

Don't get me wrong, the City is a nice car - fuel efficient, spacious, feature-packed. But it's not luxurious. It still screams subcompact every time I see one, perhaps due to its ubiquity as well.

And no, I'm not a Honda hater. I think the same of other subcompacts like the Vios and Accent.

It's not about being a snob either, I'd be totally open to getting a Fiesta or Jazz if the budget is that limited, but definitely won't pretend that it's a classy car. They're very fun and practical though.

[leodawesome]

Telling people here that honda city is a cheapo car makes me think that you either a honda hater or you are a HONDA HATER

Or a filthy rich SOB

No haters here nor SOBs. Just fanboys.

'Cheaper' would have been a better word though.

[francais]

Honda? "Premium" car?

Kaya pala ang daming honda owners na feeling premium ang ride nila. Basta naka "Honda" eh Luxurious or Premium feel na agad! Kahit toyota, honda, mitsubishi etc pa yan basta importante it gets you from point A to point B.


If its a Ferrari, BMW, Benz, etc yan may right talagang mag feel "premium". Honda fanboys and their ego

[jut703]

Kanya-kanya naman yan ng definition ng premium. For a lot of people I know, owning a car is premium enough.

Personally, Honda isn't premium for me, but in general I perceive it to have better brand equity than non-Jap cars like Hyundai, Kia and Chevrolet and equal to other Jap makes.

[JohnM]

Personally, Honda isn't premium for me, but in general I perceive it to have better brand equity than non-Jap cars like Hyundai, Kia and Chevrolet and equal to other Jap makes.

Got the chance to drive a previous gen 1.3 City and compare it to my gen 2 Vios. I found the City to have better NVH, a smoother engine and tranny and more comfortable seats. The ride quality was very similar though and the interior plastics felt the same. Maybe I should compare them against an A-class or a 1-series to get an idea of how a premium should feel. Any volunteers?

[jut703]

Altis G over City VX anytime. Toyota offers 40k discounts so price is just the same - why get a subcompact when you can get a compact for the same amount of money?


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[noelp_ph]

Altis G over City VX anytime. Toyota offers 40k discounts so price is just the same - why get a subcompact when you can get a compact for the same amount of money?


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ganda talaga altis, kaso daming added features ng honda vx variant at 890k, un sa altis na 890k basic lng un features nya..dun tuloy ako nakukuha ng honda.
hi dr.d so ano choice u?

[jut703]

ganda talaga altis, kaso daming added features ng honda vx variant at 890k, un sa altis na 890k basic lng un features nya..dun tuloy ako nakukuha ng honda.
hi dr.d so ano choice u?

Right, so what exactly does the City VX have that the Altis G doesn't?

More than the spec sheets, the Altis is a class higher. As a compact, it inherently has more width, resulting in better elbow room (unlike the City which is all about legroom alone). Also, the Altis' engine is much peppier than the City's, despite paper specs showing only a 2 hp difference. That silly touch screen aircon for the City is much clunkier too use than the tactile auto climate control buttons of the Altis. The Altis is also as fuel efficient than the City.


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[mrklouis]

Right, so what exactly does the City VX have that the Altis G doesn't?

More than the spec sheets, the Altis is a class higher. As a compact, it inherently has more width, resulting in better elbow room (unlike the City which is all about legroom alone). Also, the Altis' engine is much peppier than the City's, despite paper specs showing only a 2 hp difference. That silly touch screen aircon for the City is much clunkier too use than the tactile auto climate control buttons of the Altis. The Altis is also as fuel efficient than the City.


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Altis fuel effecient than city?? Eh pareho lng ng city and jazz sa makina.

[jut703]

Altis fuel effecient than city?? Eh pareho lng ng city and jazz sa makina.

Yup. With a 1.6V CVT I get 9 km/L on moderate-heavy traffic city driving and 14 km/L in hataw highway driving. I bet it could do 18 km/L if driven sanely. These are the same figures I get on my Vios 1.3 which is much slower.

Toyota's 1ZR-FE is a good engine, and now with a good CVT you really get great consumption. And unlike the Jazz/City, the Altis feels very torquey at low revs.


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[andrewnathaniel]

Altis fuel effecient than city?? Eh pareho lng ng city and jazz sa makina.

So ibig sabihin, kung ang Jazz ay mas efficient sa Altis. . . ang City eh mas efficient din sa Altis kasi parehas ang makina ng City and Jazz?

Im not an expert, pero hindi yata palibhasa parehas ng makina eh parehas na din agad ng FC. Magkaiba ang build ng City and Jazz, sedan and hatch. Maaaring magkaiba sila ng FC kahit parehas ang makina kasi maaring magkaiba sila ng weight, tapos yung mga aerodynamics na design pa, maaaring may factor din yun sa FC

[homhomnova]

Altis G over City VX anytime. Toyota offers 40k discounts so price is just the same - why get a subcompact when you can get a compact for the same amount of money?


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+1.. sarap i drive ng Altis.. super smooth ng takbo.. though di ko ma compare sa city kse di pa ako naka drive bagong city..

[noelp_ph]

hindi ako henyo sa kotse, pero obviously city over sa altis, keyless, push start, yup touch screen, also un aircon nya halos my similarity sila. yup wider ang altis..thats about it un nakita ko sa kanilang dalawa..

[jut703]

You look like the type to buy a car based only on the spec sheets. The Altis has a lot of advantages that don't just come in the form of toys, and fortunately if you actually read the spec sheets, you'll find it there.

As I've said in a previous post, the Altis is wider (1776 mm vs 1695 mm), and it also has a longer wheelbase (2700mm vs 2600mm). Honda's designers did a really good job with the City in terms of maximizing interior space, but the Altis is still the bigger car and feels much roomier inside. From the driver's seat, it feels like you're driving a more upscale vehicle with more on-road presence. As a passenger, you'll appreciate the larger cabin and more comfortable ride. Not in the spec sheets are the car's NVH (noise, vibration, and harshness levels), and in this respect the Altis is top-notch. The new City is much-improved versus the older generation, but still not as good as the Altis from my experience.

Aside from just the space, the larger dimensions of the Altis make it better at absorbing potholes and road imperfections, and more importantly, gives you much better highway driving stability. The City also has skinnier tires (185mm vs the Altis' 205mm). I've driven the current Altis at 160 on the highway and it feels very stable. The previous gen Altis, I've done over 200 kph and it also feels relatively stable. The old City though, even at just 150 kph, feels less composed already. I haven't driven the new City at that speed but it's most likely not as well-planted as the Altis. The only gripe I have with the Altis at that speed is that the steering feels very numb so you have to be careful about your steering inputs. The City isn't a renowned handler, but to be fair it probably gives better steering feedback.

Engine performance is another thing that's worth paying attention to. The City and Altis have similar power outputs, 120 ps for the former and 122 for the latter, but the difference in real-world driving is noticeable. The City is rev-happy and doesn't offer much grunt in lower revs, while the Altis is pretty balanced across the entire rev range. Even the spec sheets hint of this, as the City only achieves its 120ps at 6,600 rpm while the Altis at a lower 6,000 rpm. Also, the Altis has noticeably more torque (154 Nm vs 145 Nm). Both cars' CVTs are pretty good though - very responsive and smart, knowing the right ratio to choose to maximize efficiency or power.

Moving on to what probably excites you most - the toys. The fancy 7" touch screen head unit of the City is an attention-getter, but in real-world use, buttons are much better. A touch screen HU doesn't give you tactile feedback, which makes it more difficult to make adjustments (to your radio AND aircon in the case of the City). The Altis' HU is much more intuitive and the rotary knob functions much like an iPod's click wheel which allows for easy navigation through your playlists. The push-start and keyless entry are also fancy toys to have, but they do get old quickly. Our old Altis was one of the first cars with that feature, and I had loads of fun, but at the end of the day, pressing a button to start the engine isn't any more convenient than twisting a key. The Bluetooth connectivity is probably the most useful toy that the City has that the Altis doesn't - it's something that I got to use a lot with my old car before. Interestingly, while the City has these modern toys to fiddle with, it doesn't even have simple features like an actual temperature gauge. All it has is a light that turns on when your engine is already overheating - no way for you to see the temperature rise gradually unlike in a car with an actual gauge like the Altis. It also doesn't have 60/40 split rear seats, which make it difficult to fit in large cargo such as a flat screen TV.

At the end of the day, there's no doubt that the City is a great subcompact with all the modern gizmos that you need. But it's still a subcompact, a very expensive subcompact. If all you care about are toys, then sure, go for it. But I've experienced first-hand going from a compact to a subcompact and even if my subcompact is newer with modern toys, driving a compact is still a better experience overall. The Altis is priced very competitively (935k with 40k discounts) and that's a good deal that's hard to pass up.

[dr. d]

if you still see things as pretty even, you might consider the perceived resale value or/and ease of resale.

[halowan]

I'm going through the same dilemma upon choosing which car to buy.

We're downgrading from a 2.0 Gen 2 CR-V MT to a sedan (Takaw gas yung CRV kahit Manual lol. Well I do drive a bit harsh)

For a Honda boy like me (First car kasi yung crv) I went to Honda BGC to check their current line up then I saw the VX. Quite an upgrade from the GMs, with them gizmos also. Alarmingly its around 898k now. I did test drive the VX, its quite peaceful for me because of the cvt. Nung pabalik na kami nung SA, may nakatabi ako na 1.6V. Then bigla kong naisipan dumaan din ng Toyota BGC.

When I got to TBGC ang naka display lang is 2.0V (Pearl White) and 1.6G. Quite a shocker when I saw the price difference so I asked the SA there (grabe ang gaganda nila dun lol) If merong 1.6V. Meron kaso priced at 999k.

Then it hit me, the 100k difference. Nung una ayaw pa nung mom ko because of the price diff, pero kasi we're always going on roadtrips (specifically Baguio) so parang nung naisip na namin in the long run na if ever puno kami (5 people) would be comfortable sa VX? Or sa V? For a 100k difference for a sub-compact to a compact car eh pwede na.


Ang dilemma na lang namin ngayon ng mom ko is sinong casa kaya ang nagbibigay ng malaking discount ngayon sa all-in [emoji23]



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[cast_no_shadow]

Ample legroom naman ang city still it's subcompact vs compact kaya If you have the budget then get the altis.

Cheaper yung G ah wala ba sa option niyo?


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[halowan]

My mom loved the VX actually. Pero yun nga, its still subcompact vs compact. Parang for me why get the G, kung onting dagdag na lang para sa V. Anyway, Im going to different casas this weekend. Tignan ko kung sino makakapag bigay ng best deal. I'd ask for the quotation for both. Hopefully mga 4 dealers mapuntahan ko both Honda and Toyota

[Egan101]

*halowan - you may want to consider the Nissan Sylphy 1.8V CVT. It's the TOTL model of the Sylphy models and priced about the same as the Toyotal Altis 1.6V. It has the same dimensions as the Altis. They say, with discounts included, the price will be around 950k.