help on ford focus 2013 sound setup

[rustynail925]

Need advice on upgrading the sound system on the ford focus. Need suggestions on this matter

1. I want to keep the head unit. What line output converter do I need
2. No subwoofer to save space. What speakers can give very good base sounds. My music are alternative rock and some electronics..
3. Should I replace the stock tweeters?

[rac98]

Need advice on upgrading the sound system on the ford focus. Need suggestions on this matter

1. I want to keep the head unit. What line output converter do I need
2. No subwoofer to save space. What speakers can give very good base sounds. My music are alternative rock and some electronics..
3. Should I replace the stock tweeters?

1.I recommend audiocontrol LOCs. Get one with 4 channels. Forget scoche, sound output is not good.

2. For the front get separates. morel, focal, or polk are good ones. Just choose the one that has low frequency response for better bass. And have your doors deadened. The rear, you can have co ax or leave your stock speaker and just amplify it.

3. Highly recommended and replace it with the one included in the seps.

[jhnkvn]

Need advice on upgrading the sound system on the ford focus. Need suggestions on this matter

1. I want to keep the head unit. What line output converter do I need
2. No subwoofer to save space. What speakers can give very good base sounds. My music are alternative rock and some electronics..
3. Should I replace the stock tweeters?

1. Anything you want. It doesn't really matter if you go for an expensive one or not. Just make sure it's installed properly.
2. Anything that's within your budget and fits your 6.5" speakers at your doors. If you're planning on playing any David Guetta, kindly use a subwoofer. Even an 8" sub on a one cubic feet MDF box would be way way more efficient than your door speakers.
3. Well, you are buying a component set.. it's like tailoring for a suit set and asking that you don't get the pants.

[rustynail925]

thank you for the suggestions mga sir.. btw no club or r&b music..

What brand & model for LOC and amplifier do you suggest?

[jhnkvn]

And your budget?

[MonteroGLSV]

master jhnkvn pwede po pa advise? .balak ko po kasi palitan ung speakers ng monty ko ano po maganda palit?

bale simpleng enhancement lang po. ayaw ko pong magdagdag na ng sub para hindi masikip sa loob ng car. TIA

And your budget?

[rustynail925]

And your budget?

mga around 20k sir more or less.. i can go 30k as long as sulit naman..

[jhnkvn]

Okay, after thinking about what to do, I'll just type freely what's in my mind:

Sa totoo lang, there's no masmaganda si "A" kaysa sa "B" in the lower brackets. This is because iba ang preferences natin at iba din ang mga kotse. Let's say we have Brand A and it sound "great" in a Innova however it may only sound "good" sa Civic. The difference? environment.

What I do suggest is to complete the sound frequency range. This means at least the ability to at least play 50hz to 16khz. This is why a subwoofer often translates into a huge difference in SQ. It's because you're filling out the lower octaves of the music. If you're an advanced user, there's alternatives to this (although less efficient) such as removing the filter of your midbass so that it plays down low until it naturally fades.

If something's missing, it's like eating egg without the yolk. But as people don't know what "good sound" is until they actually hear it, most are content with eating just the egg white (gets?). This is why some people altogether avoid getting inside my car

This means rather than splurging your 20k on 10k of speakers and 10k of amplifiers, I would rather suggest that you find car audio shops who has "packages" within your budget that has the complete speakers (1 set of separate components up front), subwoofer (8-12 inches), and a four-channel amplifier setup. Packages is to simply save up on cash and other sneaky miscellaneous expenses such as box and wirings. It benefits you and them. With 20k, I believe you're looking at complete Ryan Audio, Targa, and Firland packages.

I think there's a common misunderstanding about subwoofers. This is because most of us are accustomed to seeing them in huge huge boxes. But they need NOT be in one.

For example, here's Aleron's Vios, Jerome's City, and Monch's Tucson using Polk MM subwoofers from 8-12"

* P.S. Images swipped without permission from them.. but I doubt they'll mind :naughty2: kilala ko naman sila. If they see this, pahiram muna ha..





FYI, my subwoofer enclosure is just at 1.1 cu ft inside. Or much like a "tad bit bigger" than the second picture (it's 1.0 cu ft inside).

But if you'll be peppering me with with situations such as "I have 5k, where will I spend it" -> change speakers. Something like Dominations Buddy. If not, I'll try to get myself a JBL or Pioneer speakers.. I always wanted to try those.

"If I have 20k..." -> I'll be availing myself of the Buddy Dominations set.

My preference with Dominations is more of because I like the brand rather than objective advantages. It's like going to Folded and Hung rather than Bench. It isn't like their quality's different by much.. but I simply "prefer" F&H.

[beni23]

Kung ayaw mong magkatungkab yung dashboard mo, iblack list mo na ang candyshop. Namomoblema ako ngayon kung saan ko pwede ipaayos yung mga tungkab around my stereo panel.

[rustynail925]

Any suggestions on what amp and loc should i get to match this

Seps - Polk Audio DB6501 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component System
Sub - Pioneer TS-WX110A (the sub has a built in amp)

Loc - AudioControl - LC6i 6channel or LC2i - Audiocontrol 2-channel
Amp - ?

[jhnkvn]

Any suggestions on what amp and loc should i get to match this

Seps - Polk Audio DB6501 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component System
Sub - Pioneer TS-WX110A (the sub has a built in amp)

Loc - AudioControl - LC6i 6channel or LC2i - Audiocontrol 2-channel
Amp - ?

How much are you paying for the Pioneer subwoofer? If it's anything above 4,000php, you're paying a lot of money and I wouldn't recommend it on a bang-per-performance basis.

Rather than buy a LOC or line out converter, just try to pick an amplifier that readily accepts high-level or speaker-level connections. It's harder to find compared to RCA-ready amplifiers but at least you save a few bucks down the road.

An example would be Rockford's newer Punch BRT amplifiers ([ame=http://www.amazon.com/Rockford-Fosgate-PBR300X4-4-Channel-Amplifier/dp/B004T163SY]Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 Punch BRT 300-Watt Ultra Compact 4-Channel Amplifier: Car Electronics[/ame]). They're extremely small thanks to Class D topologies so you're looking at a the size of a single DVD case. Problem is, Rockfords are expensive here in the Philippines thanks to prohibitive shipping and tax laws. This is also why US-based JL Audio is expensive here. You're generally looking at the Amazon US price if you click that link. However, the prices go for sub Php14,000 in the Philippines.

[rustynail925]

wow thats a big difference in price..

i havent bought it yet.. 7,000 is the price they gave me for the Pioneer TS-WX110A.
What i like about it is that its thin enough to fit under the front seat.
i thought LOC is need if you are retaining the stock head unit.

[jhnkvn]

wow thats a big difference in price..

i havent bought it yet.. 7,000 is the price they gave me for the Pioneer TS-WX110A.
What i like about it is that its thin enough to fit under the front seat.
i thought LOC is need if you are retaining the stock head unit.

You're paying too much for space-savings. The rule of building subwoofers is simply easy.. you get three choices: (1) bass extension (2) efficiency (3) space-saving. And you can only get two of those. The more knowledgable ones would feel that it's a waste of cash. If you're going to get a compact underseat sub, you're better off simply running the midbass without a high-pass filter.

I understand that you need space but a 1 cubic feet box isn't huge at all -- it fits quite nicely sa front passenger seat mo while still having sufficient legroom. For 7k, you can easily buy off a 3k subwoofer driver and spend the rest (and have change) for the box. Of course if you're consulting somebody who has stocks of the Pioneer, they'll happily push you for the purchase. A sale's a sale.

A line out converter isn't magic. What it does is convert speaker level output/line-level output/high-level output into low-level signals (RCAs). Why is the signal called high? It's because speaker level connections carry voltage and current. RCAs or low-level signals on the otherhand simply carry voltage which you then send to your amplifier. The amplifier then amplifies the voltage in its pre-amplifier stage (hence the gain knob), adds current in the power-amplifier stage.. and voila... you are now sending speaker-level connections again to your speaker.

An amplifier that accepts speaker-level inputs simply means you're "skipping" a step. They're harder to find as most amplifiers accept only RCAs though.

At the very least, leave the subwoofer out of the equation and throw it in once your system is "finished" and you feel it's inadequate. Getting bass inside a car isn't hard at all.