If Audi has a better recent race history that BMW why do people like BMWs?

[zidane21]

Honda... Toyota... american big 3 (GMC,Ford,Chrysler)...

[5Speed]

hehehe....

sometimes its not about speed and racing successes that the brand brings....sometimes its the image that the car you're driving will give you.....sometimes its the marketing....sometimes its individual preferences in styling, looks, driving dynamics etc... and sometimes if a certain car will get you laid more often when driving it around town than the others.... eh saan ka pa.....BMW et es...herehrehrehrher

[midinite]

So I guess a better automobile is based on that attributes? Rather than actual performance.

[5Speed]

So I guess a better automobile is based on that attributes? Rather than actual performance.

If your going to drive a car in your day to day life...then a better automobile should have a lot of attributes like comfort, road handling that is not too stiff and not too soft, can carry 2-5 passengers, gizmos like music player or a video player abs, ebd, etc....you cant have that in a pure race car wont you? whether it is an audi quattro, or a wrc car with all those roll bars, big turbos strip out interiors no aircon/heater....not even a music to listen during those stop and go traffic....

Heck I even bet that shumi or makkinen will choose a decent comfy car rather than their racing car when it comes to their day to day normal driving life....


my friend....speed performance is not everything in a real world of day to day life.... for some people going from A to B in pure comfort and style matters most.... unless you are always racing everybody on the street like you're always chasing or evading somebody and the road ahead of you will be gone forever in a matter of millisecond if you dont push your car to its limit......


but then again, I'd rather do it in comfort and style......

[zidane21]

but then again, I'd rather do it in comfort and style......

galing... sakto!!! 3-points!

pero honestly ang ganda ng audi s8 (tama ba?) sa transporter 2!! he he

[5Speed]

galing... sakto!!! 3-points!

pero honestly ang ganda ng audi s8 (tama ba?) sa transporter 2!! he he

Yupp... I like that Audi as well and is bulletproof, actually the new design of Audi is quite good....although the stunts was surreal but who cares....that film is for entertainment anyway...

[redorange]

Originally Posted by 5Speed

but then again, I'd rather do it in comfort and style......

Both brands provide comfort and style, so why would you choose one over the other? Does a brands particular history be it in performance, quality, or resale value influence your decision? Or is it just based on the name brand? A Lambo goes just as fast as a Ferrari but why would you choose one over the other automaker?

Originally Posted by BlueBimmer

normal car buyers do not have 'racing' at the top of their priority list. some couldnt even care less what race the brand won.

in short, not everybody thinks like you.

Yes, but information and technology learned from racing later show up in the showroom product, i.e. stability control, traction control, engine management tuning, so buyers may not know it but the gizmos they like on the car that effect the vehicles driving characteristics was tested on the track and it does somehow influence their decision.

[midinite]

POINT 1: A Lambo goes just as fast as a Ferrari but why would you choose one over the other automaker?



POINT 2: Yes, but information and technology learned from racing later show up in the showroom product, i.e. stability control, traction control, engine management tuning, so buyers may not know it but the gizmos they like on the car that effect the vehicles driving characteristics was tested on the track and it does somehow influence their decision.

Re: Point 1 - it is true that the badge does play a role.

Point 2 - race tech is where most new technologies are tested. a case in point being the TDI winning this year. Diba we all have a preconceived about Diesel. What the manufacturer tries to do is try to better that and the race track is the testing ground. Another was quattro. It came into being in the rally circuit and proved successful therefore bettering technology. Of course M-series BMWs also are race proven...but not every M-badged BMW out there is really an M is it?

[5Speed]

[QUOTE=redorange]Both brands provide comfort and style, so why would you choose one over the other? Does a brands particular history be it in performance, quality, or resale value influence your decision? Or is it just based on the name brand? A Lambo goes just as fast as a Ferrari but why would you choose one over the other automaker?

This is very easy to answer my friend.....

Lets say everything is equal between lets say BMW and AUDI or LAMBO and FERRRI...(JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE)... Lets say they both have good quality, both have a splendid customer after sales, say they have both the same price tag both comfortable and stylish and for the sake of argument from the starter of this thread both are fast and proven racing pedigree....

then IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO ONE'S PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!! and that I think matters for a person who can make a decision for himself isnt?

[redorange]

Originally Posted by midinite

And Honda VTEC in F1 did not help them? are we comparing apples to apples? Remember what Le Mans did for Jaguar? Porsche?

Porsche was already well known way before Le Mans when people raced the 356 and the Speedster in the late 40's and 50's. The 911 just replaced those legendary Porsche models.

[/QUOTE]Originally Posted by theveed

It's strange that people ask people their opinion but reacts strangely if they replied with sensible replies. [QUOTE]


Who was this reply for?

[theveed]

Who was this reply for?

The thread starter since he's the one who posted back to back Audi questions.

[Monseratto]

The thread starter since he's the one who posted back to back Audi questions.

Again, BMW Bashing won't get him anywhere.

[midinite]

could that explain civics dressed up with all those things on it but still have a non-performing engine under the hood.

[mikey177]

The BMW brand first entered my consciousness because it's what Bruce Willis and Cybil Shepard drove in their "Moonlighting" TV series when I was a kid. Shows how old I am, and also how long BMW has been in mainstream media.

[redorange]

I think you answered your own question, Audi's race history is recent BMW's is not.
BMW's drive the rear wheels and don't need all wheel drive to handle well on the track or twisty roads. The 3 series (BMW's best seller) has a racing history going back to the 1600 and 2002 models of the late 60's and early 70's, nothing in the current Audi line can make that claim since quattro was not around during the 60's and 70's. If you don't buy the quattro models you get a front drive car which would just make it an over priced VW since they share the same platform. You can't buy a BMW under a different brand for less money like you can an Audi by purchasing a VW. Yes, Audi has won Le Mans and other racing series recently but those are with cars you can't buy at the showroom. BMW's 3 series on the other hand are raced in the showroom stock categories in most racing series just like the 911 and win with just minor engine/suspension tuning and braking modifications. As the saying goes race on Sunday sell on Monday and BMW has been doing this with their current line up longer than Audi. I recall in the 80's seeing in IMSA racing a 1st gen BMW M5 racing against a modified Corvette and out handling the 'Vette. Imagine a 4 door family car beating a purpose built sports car on a race track.

[theveed]

BMW actually withdrew from the US touring car circuit after 2 dominating seasons, the league changed the rules to make BMW incapable of competing hehe... At walang F1 ang Audi

[BlueBimmer]

normal car buyers do not have 'racing' at the top of their priority list. some couldnt even care less what race the brand won.

in short, not everybody thinks like you.

[theveed]

Hehe true...

[mazdamazda]

Let's face it...here Audi's aren't anywhere close to BMWs in popularity. In other countries its otherwise...Even the Germans prefer Audi over BMW. And people acknowlege that Audi has been dominant in the track...Winning almost every Le Mans in the past...what 6 years or so?

Inventing quattro which creamed the competition during the 80s in almost every rally race...

Is it marketing over product?

I wonder why most every juan dela cruz would still like a BMW...

Err... Le Mans lang naman nag dominate ang Audi - which isn't really popular here. If that's your thinking... Renualt (F1) & Citroen (WRC) should be selling like crazy all over the world. To note also that MB won the DTM last year.

And as to product... PLEASE name an Audi vehicle to challenge the M6, M5, and M Coupe/Roadster. They only have one performance model - namely the RS4 to combat BMW's M3.

Plus... in terms of worlwide sales... Audi is nowhere near the ranks of MB & BMW.

edit...

some more reasons why BMW will continue to dominate (and even surpass MB) the luxury car segment:

International Engine of the Year
BMW 5.0-liter V10 — (M5 + M6)

Best Performance Engine
BMW 5.0-liter V10 — (M5 + M6)

Best Above 4.0 liters
BMW 5.0-liter V10 — (M5 + M6

Best 3.0 liters to 4.0 liters
BMW 3.2-liter — (BMW M3 + BMW Z4)

[midinite]

And Honda VTEC in F1 did not help them? are we comparing apples to apples? Remember what Le Mans did for Jaguar? Porsche?