BMW 745i Wild

**OTEP** · January 27th, 2003 12:53 PM

Think of it as any new appliance or new technology that come across. Take for example, a Palm Pilot.

****, October 2001 pa yung Palm M505 ko, hanggang ngayon hindi ko pa rin alam gamitin. I'm doomed.

**splerdu** · January 27th, 2003 06:46 PM

i've gotten to play with it. easy enough for me, but not nearly as easy for non-tech savvy folks.

i think it would have been better if bmw introduced the i-drive in the 5, the 3, or maybe the z4 instead of the 7 series. the market for the 7 is the older, successful exec. if they targetted the up and coming yuppies, maybe i-drive will have gotten better initial feedback.

**splukutum** · January 28th, 2003 03:43 AM

di ba yung mga 7 series or S class na type na cars are for the driven people...

wawa naman si manong driver dahil di naman lahat sila ganun ka-tech savvy...

**Hamann** · January 28th, 2003 10:34 PM

Well BMW created the 7 for both the driver and the passenger. Thats why with the new chasis, you can choose between modes that change it from ultra comfortable to sporty.

The iDrive, btw, is also available to the passenger and the driver with the 745i.

**Paul** · January 29th, 2003 12:12 AM

for me, bmws are made to driven, and mercs are made to ridden.

**e46boi** · January 29th, 2003 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by splerdu

i think it would have been better if bmw introduced the i-drive in the 5, the 3, or maybe the z4 instead of the 7 series.

The I-drive is a little too expensive to install into the "lower" BMW models. If you notice, most of the newest stuff is introduced with the top of the line models. As they start to produce more of it (and it gets greater acceptance), it'll get cheaper, and will trickle down to the 3 and the 5.

**squala** · January 29th, 2003 11:57 AM

BMW claims that the iDrive has over 700 functions, but that does not include driving the car for you.

In higher 7-Series cars, there is also an iDrive knob at the back seat.

However, it is not likely that the iDrive will be offered in lower BMWs, and probably Mercedes will come up of their own system. When it comes to cars like these, the S-Class is still the choice for looks and comfortable ride, while buyers must select the 7-Series for better performance and if they drive more than they ride it.

**Litespeed** · January 29th, 2003 12:42 PM

As for the new 7 series, in two years we will look back and marvel at the insight that BMW had in coming to market with such a vehicle. We're not doing it now - it's too new and controversial. We judge it now with the old standards and means of measuring that we have at our disposal. The 7, I have a feeling, will provide new specs for the luxury car segment. The fact is that BMW has to survive as an automobile company and the battle is on many fronts. Mercedes and Lexus, etc. is one front and another is the battle for numbers. Units sold. Units out the door. The new 7 battles mightily on both of these arenas. It will quickly distance itself from other luxury cars in that price range and at the prices I have seen, a lot will be sold. It will be one heck of a car. I hope that they have ALL the wrinkles worked out. I hope Pop doesn't take his eyes off the road to figure out the iDrive down in Palm Beach - searching for that Guy Lombard CD. Or faulty auxillary fans. Jeez, I don't want to think about that. Meron bang middle aged dito sa board? How about both? Pops is fool'n with the iDrive, crossing the intercoastal, the fan goes 3 alarm and there you have it: another prozac related accident with dire consequences.

My guess is that most of us here at not in the market for a 7 series car. We didn't buy the old one and we won't buy the new one. I am not in that market. The X5 has as much luxury and space and seating as I need. Para sa pamilya ko saka sa liho ko na rin. The 7 has evolved, over time, to the kind of car that has to be made to be successful in that market I'm not in that market. I do, however, wish BMW well, because I want them to sell a lot of the new 7s, I want it to set the standard for luxury cars and I want them to be a strong company and I don't want any more Rover mistakes and I don't want top management going to Ford anymore(have you noticed the lay offs from Ford? I wonder if some meander back to BMW?)and I don't want BMW bought by GM (notice how their products are getting better?

Cheers

**OTEP** · January 29th, 2003 05:15 PM

Remember when Mercedes Benz put in those automatic climate control thingies on those 80's W126's? Well, we have an '81 and the damn system does not work anymore nor could we find anyone who could make it work without costing an arm and a leg. I hope i-Drive lasts longer for when some of us could finally afford it 20 years down the road.

**pajerokid** · January 29th, 2003 05:28 PM

IMO, this is a sneak peek at autos 20 years down the road. of course, the pioneers get all the flak. But in the end, they will be hailed as "the" pioneers and everyone else are just riding the bandwagon. My $0.02

**OTEP** · January 29th, 2003 05:34 PM

I just made me think how cars are becoming more and more disposable nowadays.

Will today's crop of techno cars survive long enough to attend a Concours de Elegance, some 50 odd years from now? Will a car built today survive long enough to be a classic? Who would work on all those ECU's and chips? I don't think most DIY and small time restorers can fabricate chips and write programs.

We're restoring a car from 1946 now. We don't have a rocket scientist on staff. Just mechanics and craftsmen.

Just me thinking...

**theveed** · January 29th, 2003 05:35 PM

isang problema in the future, since most systems now integrate the radio with the computer controls, baka di na compatible aftermarket radios sa mga oto, most high end cars don't even have a DIN slot anymore...

**OTEP** · January 29th, 2003 05:43 PM

Kaya nga may DIN (German Industry Standard) para madali ang pagpapalit at fitting. Kakabwiset yung mga manufacturers, ayaw na sumunod dito.

Lalo na yung sa Ford Taurus. Anak ng tinapa, pinaghalo ang aircon at radio!

**HBOY** · January 29th, 2003 05:48 PM

pag nasira.. nde pwedeng palitan ng aftermarket...
pag lousy ang radio, nde pwedeng palitan ng aftermarket
pag sirain ang hu, paayos ka ng paayos..

*sigh*.... wala.. you are stuck with something you dont like.

P.S. this does not point solely towards i-drive.. its in general to the computer age the cars are getting into... *sigh*.. sarap talaga pag luma ang kotse.. ehehe.. less computer to breakdown.. hehehe

i wonder what would happen 20years down the line to those cars with computer controlled stuff....???

**pajerokid** · January 29th, 2003 08:18 PM

well, we can always go back to carburetted engines. hehehe. joke lang po :mrgreen:

**mbt** · January 29th, 2003 09:51 PM

hey yeah, good points... i've always been a fan of modular components, lalo na electronics like radios. because then, parang computer... you can customize easily

**OTEP** · January 30th, 2003 01:15 AM

HBOY,

Hay, yung mga W123 natin walang computer. hehehe. I bet the Pioneer HU I put in it has more computing power than the car itself. Hehehe.

mbt,

Lumlalayo na din sa modularity ang mga manufacturers, eh. Multiplexed na ang mga system para daw less wires ang less complexity. Now you need to have an ECU interface tool if you want to install the optional OEM foglamps on Chevy Tahoes and other Chevy trucks.

**Hamann** · January 30th, 2003 01:44 AM

The new Audi A8 actually has a gadget similar to the iDrive as an option. I have to yet to see though, whether they were able to actually make a better or similar product in terms of ease of use and functionality.

**splerdu** · January 30th, 2003 01:56 AM

Before people here start seeing me as a technology hater, I'd like to categorically state that I'm all for more electronics in cars... Just that the version of I-Drive in the 745 was a bit iffy. In defense of BMW, it appears the upcoming I-Drive enchanced vehicles are all geared toward greater simplicity... something the original was trying to do until it overshot the target by trying to do too many things.

As for future maintenance of cars, I strongly believe that in the future microprocessor design and programming will be a lot more accessible to the masses. A lot of you might disagree, but it is fairly easy to build and program a microcontroller... The cars are not becoming disposable, but the mechanics are becoming obsolete. One of the problems we have now is that most of the mechanics working on our cars in the shops around town have only gone through vocational school, and are thus underqualified to service the modern automobile.

**OTEP** · January 31st, 2003 05:04 PM

splerdu,

As for future maintenance of cars, I strongly believe that in the future microprocessor design and programming will be a lot more accessible to the masses. A lot of you might disagree, but it is fairly easy to build and program a microcontroller... The cars are not becoming disposable, but the mechanics are becoming obsolete.

That's what the manufacturers said in the 70's when they first put in ECU's in engines. Hanggang ngayon hindi pa rin established ang repair nito. And wala pa akong alam na marunong mag-fabricate ng ECU. Halukay pa rin sa pick-and-pull, bili ng bago, or recondtioned unit pa rin ang katapat. And no one manufactures ECU's for some models like GEN I Monteros, etc. Paubos na din ang supply sa mga crushers.

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