Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 2]

[flakez]

yes you could skip step 1

great! thanks!

magkano nga pala SRP nito? may nakita ako dito sa may mckinley hill nasa 650 lang ata. nakita ko kasi kay autobisyo 860. hehehe

[madkatz]

great! thanks!

magkano nga pala SRP nito? may nakita ako dito sa may mckinley hill nasa 650 lang ata. nakita ko kasi kay autobisyo 860. hehehe

which one Step 1? or SwirlX?

if its step 1 it should be around 550 for the mothers SRP

its at 600 ot 650 from autobisyo

if its swirlX it ranges from about 700 to 750 in gray market and 895 for SRP

[flakez]

which one Step 1? or SwirlX?

if its step 1 it should be around 550 for the mothers SRP

its at 600 ot 650 from autobisyo

if its swirlX it ranges from about 700 to 750 in gray market and 895 for SRP

swirlx. so mukhang mura yung tinda nila don. hehehe. makahingi nga ng price list. hehehe

[madkatz]

swirlx. so mukhang mura yung tinda nila don. hehehe. makahingi nga ng price list. hehehe

Actually most people who sell swirlX really sell them lower, i think my BF and Autobisyo sell them between 700 and 750 question remaining is who's more convenient

[jmpet626]

Ms madkatz same po ba yung swirl X at Megs 205 in terms of aggressiveness and also Megs Ultimate Compound and Megs 105?


edit.. hehe ok na pala may nakita ako abrasive chart na kasama na 105 & 205

http://craigdt.web.officelive.com/abrasives.aspx

[madkatz]

Ms madkatz same po ba yung swirl X at Megs 205 in terms of aggressiveness and also Megs Ultimate Compound and Megs 105?


edit.. hehe ok na pala may nakita ako abrasive chart na kasama na 105 & 205

http://craigdt.web.officelive.com/abrasives.aspx

actually i would say 205 is a lot more like m80 without all the fuzz and hassle, honestly m80 gives a wetter finish compared to 205 but 205 finishes clearer, now if you have a non oil-based glaze topped on top of 205 now thats a winner.

m80 isn't that bad actually, it really darkens the paint in most cases but its really just finicky, sometimes you even end up with holograms even with a Grey LC, 205 is a lot more easier to work with and also finishes clearer but makes the paint a little sterile, somewhat a plastic look

[Hardinero]

which one Step 1? or SwirlX?

if its step 1 it should be around 550 for the mothers SRP

its at 600 ot 650 from autobisyo

if its swirlX it ranges from about 700 to 750 in gray market and 895 for SRP

ms madkatz, which of the two are better mothers step 1 or swirlx?
also, which of them can be use bi-monthly..i heard that swirlx is abrasive...

kakalito sa dami ng product ah...

tama ba yung nasa isip ko na if you want protection go for sealant

and if for shine go for polish,step 2 and LSP....

or pwede rin naman ma-achieve the best of both worlds by

swirlx (or polishing product ) + AIO + 2 coats of sealant + LSP (as for me 915)

4 hours, that's great.

*Hardinero, now you may take kindly to the KAIO->915 route.

paps, paki-elaborate ...hindi ko po na-gets..medyo mahina me kunti sa malalim na english..hehe

[jmpet626]

Mas agressive ang Swirl X kesa mothers Step 1. Medium cut ang swirl X and also Non-Diminishing abrasives ang gamit ng swirl X.

[indiej]

swirlx (or polishing product ) + AIO + 2 coats of sealant + LSP (as for me 915)

paps, paki-elaborate ...hindi ko po na-gets..medyo mahina me kunti sa malalim na english..hehe

pre, yung naka kulay talong sa taas na iminungkahi ko kagabi nung sinabi mo na cleaner carnauba + 915 ang gagawin mo.

wax over wax would be completed a lot sooner before wax over KAIO. but since madkatz suggested 4 hours KAIO cure time, you wouldn't be delayed as much as my presumption of 12-24 hours KAIO cure time.

[Nik]

*madkatz

mam, yun pala ang mali ko.. sa drying time.. 1hr pala dapat... 30min ko lang kasi iniwan bago i buff.. sa pag buff naman tingin ko ok naman po ginawa ko no pressure at all parang pahid pahid lang konti pag may mahirap tangalin i spray LLS QD (nilipat ko sa spray bottle yung LLS 5ml lang para lang pang buff off ng mahirap tangalin) para sure ako na LLS product lang yung andun..

saka siguro dahil sa 12hrs curing time then gagamitin na sa streets may ulan at araw kaya pangit pag kaka cure.. so need ko pa mag 2 layer para lang matumbasan yung 1 layer na tamang application.

siguro pag titiisan ko na lang na mag 4 layer gamit procedure ko (meaning 2layer katumbas if sa tamang procedure) lagi kasi gamit auto hindi ma iwasan.

aalagaan ko nalang sa Wax weekly para tumagal yung ginastos kong pag layer hehe.

thanks mam ikaw ang sagot sa mga tanong namin talaga

[madkatz]

*madkatz

mam, yun pala ang mali ko.. sa drying time.. 1hr pala dapat... 30min ko lang kasi iniwan bago i buff.. sa pag buff naman tingin ko ok naman po ginawa ko no pressure at all parang pahid pahid lang konti pag may mahirap tangalin i spray LLS QD (nilipat ko sa spray bottle yung LLS 5ml lang para lang pang buff off ng mahirap tangalin) para sure ako na LLS product lang yung andun..

saka siguro dahil sa 12hrs curing time then gagamitin na sa streets may ulan at araw kaya pangit pag kaka cure.. so need ko pa mag 2 layer para lang matumbasan yung 1 layer na tamang application.

siguro pag titiisan ko na lang na mag 4 layer gamit procedure ko (meaning 2layer katumbas if sa tamang procedure) lagi kasi gamit auto hindi ma iwasan.

aalagaan ko nalang sa Wax weekly para tumagal yung ginastos kong pag layer hehe.

thanks mam ikaw ang sagot sa mga tanong namin talaga

actually 2 layers should already be enough if you're planning on maintaining it with waxes weekly, don't spend too much on multiple layers if its gonna be well kept and maintained, just try to save the product so you get more results longer with the bottle, actually if someone waxes his car weekly heck even NXT, Gold Class, TW PUG and Moms Step 3 and FX would already do the job. try to make the sealant work for you, keep it simple with 2 layers and then just relayer after a few months

layering multiple sealant won't really guarantee you a perfect finish from the elements, check out my post last december when i had a multiple layer of sealants 2 layers m-seal and 2 layers KSG topped with 2 layers 915 and blitz acrylic spray sealant as topper, after i finished that setup i went to canyon woods feeling like nothing would harm my paint, then comes those pine tree saps that really etched into my paint, now if you think of it, i had a total of 7 layers all cured properly and boosted with polycharger and the tree saps still etched through, kinda hurts right? all the effort down the drain? thats why im telling you guys to keep it simple, 2 is enough, 2 more of another sealant would be great but if time is a problem with layering multiple layers then why work against time right? why not just apply it more frequently? all im saying is, if time and schedule really makes layering hard for you then just change your routine, you really don't have to do multiple layers especially since you're waxing already every week

[indiej]

madkatz could you test Opti-coat versus tree sap soon?

[Nik]

actually 2 layers should already be enough if you're planning on maintaining it with waxes weekly, don't spend too much on multiple layers if its gonna be well kept and maintained, just try to save the product so you get more results longer with the bottle, actually if someone waxes his car weekly heck even NXT, Gold Class, TW PUG and Moms Step 3 and FX would already do the job. try to make the sealant work for you, keep it simple with 2 layers and then just relayer after a few months

layering multiple sealant won't really guarantee you a perfect finish from the elements, check out my post last december when i had a multiple layer of sealants 2 layers m-seal and 2 layers KSG topped with 2 layers 915 and blitz acrylic spray sealant as topper, after i finished that setup i went to canyon woods feeling like nothing would harm my paint, then comes those pine tree saps that really etched into my paint, now if you think of it, i had a total of 7 layers all cured properly and boosted with polycharger and the tree saps still etched through, kinda hurts right? all the effort down the drain? thats why im telling you guys to keep it simple, 2 is enough, 2 more of another sealant would be great but if time is a problem with layering multiple layers then why work against time right? why not just apply it more frequently? all im saying is, if time and schedule really makes layering hard for you then just change your routine, you really don't have to do multiple layers especially since you're waxing already every week

thanks mam sa tip.. so 2 layers nalang po is enough? kala ko max of 3 pwede. ginawa ko lang po na 4 layers everynight para makasigurado na may layer kasi po 12hrs curing time lang so i'm not sure if talaga bang kumapit hehe

pero thanks po sa tip nyo dun sa drying time .. gagawin ko po yung test if ok na i buff para hindi sayang effort ko at para 2 nights nalang ako mag layer.. salamat po ulit

tapos na board exam.. ma-haharap ko na ulit yung car

[electone]

actually 2 layers should already be enough if you're planning on maintaining it with waxes weekly, don't spend too much on multiple layers if its gonna be well kept and maintained, just try to save the product so you get more results longer with the bottle, actually if someone waxes his car weekly heck even NXT, Gold Class, TW PUG and Moms Step 3 and FX would already do the job. try to make the sealant work for you, keep it simple with 2 layers and then just relayer after a few months

layering multiple sealant won't really guarantee you a perfect finish from the elements, check out my post last december when i had a multiple layer of sealants 2 layers m-seal and 2 layers KSG topped with 2 layers 915 and blitz acrylic spray sealant as topper, after i finished that setup i went to canyon woods feeling like nothing would harm my paint, then comes those pine tree saps that really etched into my paint, now if you think of it, i had a total of 7 layers all cured properly and boosted with polycharger and the tree saps still etched through, kinda hurts right? all the effort down the drain? thats why im telling you guys to keep it simple, 2 is enough, 2 more of another sealant would be great but if time is a problem with layering multiple layers then why work against time right? why not just apply it more frequently? all im saying is, if time and schedule really makes layering hard for you then just change your routine, you really don't have to do multiple layers especially since you're waxing already every week

VERY wise advice, as i just recently learned myself. A month ago, I put on a total of 5 layers of Zaino products on my black car. A week ago, I left the car in the dealership for an oil change. At the same time, I went out of town and came back three days later to pick it up. Que horror! the once china-smooth paint was now as rough as fine sandpaper. My skin made a horrible raspy sound when I swiped my palm over the paint. The wiper made a horrible sound on the windshield, too! I washed the car, but it didn't remove the surface contaminants.

So I had to CLAY the car. And all those 5 layers of the month-old Zaino came off! And to think I was planning to keep it there for 4 to 6 months!

I only reapplied 2 coats this time. Lesson learned.

[madkatz]

pre, yung naka kulay talong sa taas na iminungkahi ko kagabi nung sinabi mo na cleaner carnauba + 915 ang gagawin mo.

wax over wax would be completed a lot sooner before wax over KAIO. but since madkatz suggested 4 hours KAIO cure time, you wouldn't be delayed as much as my presumption of 12-24 hours KAIO cure time.

hehe yup wax over wax is really a lot easier, i too was also under the presumption before that KAIO requires 12 to 24 hours to cure until our mentor corrected us

[Louie_18]

Ms. Madkatz, ano ang recommended frequency of use ng swirlX? Thanks

[madkatz]

Ms. Madkatz, ano ang recommended frequency of use ng swirlX? Thanks

Hmmm twice a years used with white pads would be safe.

Once a year using orange pads is also safe.

[madkatz]

ms madkatz, which of the two are better mothers step 1 or swirlx?
also, which of them can be use bi-monthly..i heard that swirlx is abrasive...

kakalito sa dami ng product ah...

tama ba yung nasa isip ko na if you want protection go for sealant

and if for shine go for polish,step 2 and LSP....

or pwede rin naman ma-achieve the best of both worlds by

swirlx (or polishing product ) + AIO + 2 coats of sealant + LSP (as for me 915)





paps, paki-elaborate ...hindi ko po na-gets..medyo mahina me kunti sa malalim na english..hehe

SwirlX is more abrasive than Step 1, both are abrasive but with Step 1 its close to being not at all making Step 1 very safe to be used frequently but i won't recommend using it twice a month

SwirlX is a lot more abrasive and it can already go some light to moderate correction depending on the pad and machine used, by hand it can tackle most of the light swirls on the paint and light watermarks as well

so to answer your question which is better it would depend on what your goal is. are you planning on removing swirls? or just creating a clean finish for the sealant to bond properly?

if you want protection in most cases its true that you go for a sealant but there are also some waxes out there that can outperform some weaker sealants, 476 is one of the better known waxes to kick most of the weaker sealants butts, KSG layered twice can already provide some serious protection however i really find it pointless in most cases to layer over 3 and more of a specific sealant, there are some sealants however that can really build up both these are not yet available locally

as with the shine statement, its a very general term, do you want the mirror finish? or the wet and deep look? sealants can also provide a very shiny finish depending on what you use, most of them are sterile however giving them that plastic and glassy look, some prefer their paint to look darker and deeper than reflective so it depends on your choice, but just so you know any choice whether depth or reflectivity, sealants can still achieve those, you just need to know which one gives the look you want

but the best look for me is that from sealants and waxes combined, meaning multiple layers of sealants topped with multiple layers of waxes really create that look that combines the best of both but multiple layers of sealants waxes is actually mostly good for just looks, like i said sometimes its pointless to layer more than 2 meaning 3 above of sealants and waxes save for the exception of some