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[PareKoy]

*PareKoy

Sir ganyan din sa N16 ko 3months ago. Due to car cover. Nabasa then natuyo sa araw pagtanggal ko ayun may white stain na rin. Sadly, repaint lang talaga ang solution dyan.

Thanks!

ganung ba sir, sorry to hear that.. CF hood na yan!!

Pero in my case, hindi ko naman nilalagyan ng car cover ung car ko..

sa bahay may bubong po pero sa office open parking lang pero hindi ko nilalagyan ng car cover..

[madkatz]

*chikselog: I would recommend Mom's Step 1 for maximum results, but if you are quite happy with your paint right now you can skip this part. On how i understand it Step 1 does not hide swirls, it just cleans your paint with chemical cleaners and very very mild abrasives, Step 2 hides and fills swirls. So for example your paint has scratches and its scratches are dark lines, Step 1 can make the dark lines become lighter towards the color of your paint. Another example would be if you have a dulled paint or a dirty paint where the stains can't be removed by thorough washing and claying, Step 1 usually does the trick in removing these stains. Another thing that i have noticed with Step 1 is that it can really improve shine and depth of neglected paint and make the color pop out more but in the process of cleaning and making your color seem more prevalent it also makes the defects appear more noticeable. And this is where Step 2 comes in.

*parekoy:

It kinda looks like it got applied with a bad batch of paint wax or something, Notice how the white spots are all over the windshield spray nozzle?

1. Do you wax regularly?

If you wax regularly and on the time these stains appeared, your car no longer has wax protection then it might be caused by lack of protection, normally the whole car should be affected if this is caused by water drying rapidly and if its the case of oxidation, but we have to take into consideration that the hood of the car suffers from more heat than any other paint panel so the wax on the hood is basically the first to wear off or wear thin.

2. What items or chemicals have you used so far?
(Shampoo, Polish, Wax, Protectant, Sealant, Glaze, Cleaner?)

I've had an incident where i bought a Waxco Windshield washer fluid and poured a measly amount on my black car's windshield reservioir and after using it, some washer fluids dripped from the nozzle to the front of the hood. It left a really really bad white stain on my black metallic paint. I thought it was time for panel repaint already but i decided to use Mom's Step 1 and it didn't totally remove the stain, tried APC fine liquid polish and worked it in the affected area and i had little improvement, lastly i tried Carlack AIO and it did the job of cleaning out the remaining stains. Another incident was when i used a very old paste version of finish 2001 by turtle wax, this is the very first version of F21 and applied it on my fireball red car and as i was applying it i noticed that the haze won't come off so i discontinued using it and had to have the paint repolished

3. Did you have an overheat a few days before this happened?

My friends Pajero that i worked with yesterday has some white stains too, its on the outside of the hood scoop and from the sides of the hood. What we did was use TW Polishing Compound, APC Super fine Liquid Polish and Moms Step 1, We used all 3 in the same order, applied using a BnD Rotary Polisher with yellow LC Pads and it did a pretty good job of removing a whole lot of it, its no longer noticeable from afar and when a bit close. You could only notice a slightly lighter area in the paint if you look really really close.

4. Just a thought, have you ever run the car for a very long time where the hood was really really hot and it suddenly rained?

5. Have you had your paint recently repainted or sprayed with a protective layer of paint protection? ( those like PPG, Dupont and Armor)

[PareKoy]

*parekoy:

It kinda looks like it got applied with a bad batch of paint wax or something, Notice how the white spots are all over the windshield spray nozzle?

1. Do you wax regularly?

The car is 18 months old and I think I had it waxed a grand total of 5 times ( my fault for being cheap haha). Twice of which was done by mall carpark washboys and twice was done by denjo carwash at makati. Last one was done by myself personally a couple of weeks ago (wash - wax). The state of the hood was already like this at that time though.

2. What items or chemicals have you used so far?
(Shampoo, Polish, Wax, Protectant, Sealant, Glaze, Cleaner?)

Shampoo and wash only sir.

3. Did you have an overheat a few days before this happened?

Nope.

4. Just a thought, have you ever run the car for a very long time where the hood was really really hot and it suddenly rained?

yes, this has happened a couple of times specially after long drives.

5. Have you had your paint recently repainted or sprayed with a protective layer of paint protection? ( those like PPG, Dupont and Armor)

None sir.

Also, im a bit on a budget crunch. Budget is around 2k for detailing materials (I really want to DIY). Should I get moms claybar + moms step1 + Wax (3M sachet )? Or would moms step 1, 2,3 work better for my case? Also, for moms step 3, should i get liquid or paste?

Thanks very much for you help

[madkatz]

*Parekoy:

1. thats ok, my friends pajero never got washed in a span of 5 years its only car wash is when a heavy rain pours, but try to wax more often, if you plan on DIY then try to get more durable waxes if you can't wax that often, try Dupont Carnuaba Wax and Collinite, they really last a long time. You could check the net and the forums if you are interested, if im not mistaken some people here in the forum sells them, i know someone that sells collinite and i could refer you, but im also on the look out for someone selling Dupont since i ran out of it.

2. thats maam for you hahaha,

4. Have you noticed if the stains gradually get worse everytime you get long drives and suddenly it rains? I've read somewhere about what you call paint failures. One instance is when the engine gets really really hot coupled with a blaring sun and suddenly it rains cooling down the hood rapidly. Paint Failure can damage either clear coat only, color coat only, or both due to the rapid change in temperature, but these instances are very very rare. I've had an overheat accident one time driving to pagudpud the hood was so hot that time and when we were just about to pour water it suddenly rained really hard. My boyfriend thought it would be better to cover the car again and let the hood suffer rather than have the hot engine cool down rapidly and probably get more damage in the engine and radiator, so we covered the engine and waited for the rain to die down before we poured water. When we got to our destination my hood was a bit dull, what we did was buff it off when we got back to manila and it did the job pretty well.

That would depend on what you plan to achieve. At this point we're still not sure if step 1 can indeed totally remove or at least improve those stains on your car. So IMO, if you plan on fixing those stains on your car, Step 1 2 and 3 would make more sense since its like a paint rejuvenation process. Also in getting Step 1 2 and 3 the whole car would benefit from the added shine and gloss. Usually people buy Step 1 2 and 3 first and then buy the clay later on.

But if upon washing your car and while still wet and while it still has some soapy water try to run your hand across the paint panels, if you feel sand like or dust like particles stuck on your paint after washing with a wash mitt then you might be better off with Clay + Step 1 + Sachet Wax, especially if the other parts of your paint aside from those that has stains are still in good condition. If the other paint panels are still in good condition and has very little scratches or swirls, or if you don't consider removing swirls and light scratches immediately then this would also be the way to go.

I would recommend you get a paste wax version of Step 3 for the following reasons, Step 3 paste version creates a thicker layer of wax over your paint due to its chemical density in the process giving you more protection. Paste waxes in general are not easily absorbed by applicators as compared to liquid waxes getting more wax on the paint than inside the applicator. Paste waxes also require a lot less quantity to cover a whole car, and usually with paste waxes a little goes a long way. In my experience i've had more applications from paste waxes as compared to liquid waxes, i know the liquid is also cheaper but for me 1 paste wax is already about enough to compare with 1 and a half to 2 liquid wax bottles saving you more in the long run.

Hope this helps.

[PareKoy]

*Parekoy:
Hope this helps.

Hi maam

It did help.

How much does the dupont or collinite paste wax cost? would that be better vs going straight moms?

I didn't notice the stains after long drives. I noticed that they got worse just the past couple of months. I started working in my new office with the open carpark last feb so I think there is a corelation there. Perhaps the very weird weather (sunny-rainy-sunny) we had lately had something to do with this.

I've also read about the clear coat failure and I've seen the pics from here. http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=20411
Guys and girl, could i get your unbiased opinion if what i have is comparable with the pics from the link above? I think they do somewhat look alike but I'm still in denial and still would like to try the DIY before admitting defeat and getting it repainted

I'll try to stretch my budget for the clay + step1 + step2 + sachet wax (how i wish they had sachet pre-cleaner wax and glaze grr). I'll get the items and try to work on the car the whole day saturday

Thanks again!

[PareKoy]

edit: double post sorry

[madkatz]

*Parekoy: If you're after the show car wax of collinite the #915, thats a bit expensive around 2.1 to 2.2k, i got my first can from a friend for 2.2k and my 2nd can for 2,150, as for my upcoming 3rd and 4th can i ordered them thru autogeek and got a 10% off coupon so i think its just at about 30$ + shipping i guess it would just cost me 1700 per can, if you have a relative from the US thats coming over, it would definitely be more economical to just ask a favor and have on brought here hehehe , know its expensive but i feel its really worth it, if its the consumer line the #845 liquid wax, its only at 1k per bottle, both #915 and #845 requires very little to cover a whole car so for me its worth it. As for the dupont Carnuaba wax, i got my first Dupont Carnuaba Wax from a friend from the US for 15$ and i got my 2nd can at a car show for 800 pesos.

Check this out:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyq_ZlxyCyI"]YouTube- Collinite 915 wax - Water beading on a 2007 Vauxhall Corsa[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dGvStGaj6k&feature=related"]YouTube- Collinite 915 Marque d'Elegance Wax[/ame]

Now im not trying to advertise them ok? Even though i know someone that sells them, i even just opted to get my own from the US since its really cheaper there. thats not my car but thats how effective it really is, no exaggertations but in order to get that result you have to do a 2x coat with a drying time of 8 hours in between application.

Wow i've been looking for articles regarding paint failures and i've been to the Megs site and i've never seen this, those pictures are scary! o.O

Ok, this is a bit hard to blurt out but i think its pretty much similar to clear coat failure already but more on the early stages, If you plan on trying to DIY first before probably admitting defeat thats fine, nearly all of us go thru that part especially with scratches hahaha

Anyway as far as i've been a compulsive buyer of car care products, i've never seen any sachet sachet of step1 from any brand. so i guess you'll really have to buy a bottle

As for step 2, if you are not bent on targeting on removing very light swirls and scratches since these are usually not noticeable from afar and you just want that added shine, you can just get a sachet of 3m IHG for 40 pesos, this would be your step 2 and well IMO the gloss difference isn't that huge, they're pretty much at par IMO, 3m IHG is just harder to remove.

Your added bonus for getting 3m IHG would be that it works and is designed to work with 3m SCLW another 40 pesos sachet.

So if your budget is 2k, Mom's Claykit about P1400 + Moms Step1 P500 + 3m IHG P40 + 3m SCLW P40 thats makes it 1980 hahaha 20 bucks left for Fit n Right while exercising and taking care of your car hahaha, Well if i had a 2k budget, thats what i would do.

BTW, if you plan on using 3m IHG, DONT apply the whole car before removing it, Apply it per panel and remove it after applying before you proceed to the next panel, if 3m IHG dries up its a pain to remove, it would really need some serious elbow grease.

Hope this helps and Good luck on your DIY, i really hope this would do it to avoid you having to repaint.

[PareKoy]

*Parekoy:
So if your budget is 2k, Mom's Claykit about P1400 + Moms Step1 P500 + 3m IHG P40 + 3m SCLW P40 thats makes it 1980 hahaha 20 bucks left for Fit n Right while exercising and taking care of your car hahaha, Well if i had a 2k budget, thats what i would do.

Thank you very much.. I think I'll do this..

What I'll do is:

1. Wash
2. Clay
3. Step 1
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

Tama po ba? Wish me luck.. Saturday will be a looooong day haha

EDIT: I didn't do a very good job last time I waxed (poor lighting) and waxed over some dirty areas (asphalt, hard dirt). I was contemplating on doing this:

1. Wash
2. Step 1 (to remove old layer of wax)
3. Clay
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

Thanks again!

[madkatz]

Oops 2x post, somethings wrong with the forum lately, its kinda hard to send replies nowadays