How To Remove Watermark Stains from Paint

[_Cathy_]

I washed my car after one week and discovered watermarks on the roof and trunk. I waxed my car using Collinite but I could not take the watermark stains out on the paint. I could live with the watermark stains on the glass but the paint is unacceptable.

The horrible ulan-araw weather did this to my car's paint

Is it safe for me to remove on my own? What are the steps?

[crosswind]

There is a water mark remover sold in hardwares and auto shops
If you don't want to DIY
you can have the services at a price of 600-1k if I'm not mistaken

[jaypee10]

pa wax nyo nalang po sa carwash ,kadalasan po sa mga wild shiel window nangyayari ang ganyan.acid rain ,
ako ang gamit ko rubbing compound sa glass,dati mano mano manual kong nirarub.pero nakaka pagod kaya naisipan ko nalang bumili ng
buffing machine.3k lang po kuha ko sa raon..

[monty_GTV]

hi cathy, di ba may KAIO ka dati? you can try rubbing one spot na may watermark sa trunk kung kaya matanggal. if kaya matanggal then observe mo gaano mo katagal bago maalis yung watermark. you may need to exert some extra effort to rub it off lalo if the water spot etched to your paint na. if it takes you reasonable time then you can try rubbing section by section of the trunk then your roof na. if not then better to bring it to a reputable detailing shop na lang.

may time talaga na acidic yung droplets ng rain. you may hosed down the dirt bago mo I-park at night pero kapag di mo na-dry, makikita mo ang daming ater spots the following day. hassle talaga yan, ilang beses ko na ring nasubukan. but if you wax your car or apply a sealant hindi masyado.

[jhnkvn]

Well, thanks to Cathy's rather short PM this thread got my attention.

First off, you need to identify what kind of watermark etching does your car has. This is broadly classified as "in" the paint or "outside" the paint. "In" means that the watermark etched into the paint layer, "outside" means that the watermark due to mineral deposits on the paint surface.

1. If you throw X acid to your paint and let it sit around, what you have is a "in" paint etching.
2. If you have water on your paint and have it bask in the afternoon sun, you probably just have the more common "outside" watermark deposits.
3. If you have a car and expose it into the elements (rain, sun, bird droppings, rinse & repeat) for a long time then you probably have both "in" and "out".

Anything that manages to eat into your paint layer means that it's potent enough to penetrate your other layers.

Since I believe you have #2, I'll go more in-depth on that one here..

So like.. what are these "deposits"?
These deposits are hardened water mineral deposits. Think of them as a cave's calcium carbonate stalagmites/stalactites but on a microns scale and stuck to your paint.

How do you soften them?
If there's not much deposits, just washing your car will do. If the deposits are more hard-headed than your average <insert annoying boss here> that then it's time to use chemicals to help you out..

Let's say you need the chemicals, what's the cheapest thing to throw at them?
Probably either diluted vinegar or isopropyl alcohol.

I'm too cheap for those two, what about something "free"?
I believe your urine is acidic AND free. I still won't recommend peeing on your car though.

How do you apply these?
Uhh... any. Use a towel then dip and rub it or you can fill up a spray can and just spray them. It doesn't take long for mineral deposits to melt under the might of acids. Please do not throw sulfuric or hydrochloric acid to your car. And if you do use the "free" route and you're male.. do it with style and aim properly. If you're practicing kegel, you might be able to spot-clean it per panel too.

Will cleaner waxes work?
Depends on how much cleaning power it has. But it generally does.

What are these cleaner waxes?
Also known as All-in-Ones, these are your "One Step" detailing products. They do everything at the fraction of the time and cost but won't do it as good as a dedicated step will give. The most accessible cleaner wax would probably be 3M's Cleaner Wax and Mother's Cleaner Wax. Since you're a Collinite junkie, Collinite has the SS lineup. Do you have Klasse's All-In-One (KAIO)? Then use that. That's an exceptionally great cleaner/sealant (more cleaner than sealant really)

Is leaving your car dirty for extended periods bad for your paint?
No. I haven't had my car washed for at least two weeks now mind you. It's so dirty that I just have to make it a priority to visit one tomorrow because the amount of dirt accumulating on the lower half of my door panel is mind boggling.

Will cleaner waxes strip off a layer of paint?
It won't do anything to your clear coat but expect it to remove your protection layer.

Will the alcohol and vinegar remove my wax/sealant protection layer?
Yes. IPA alcohol is often used as a wax remover.

Why is it on the roof and trunk?
Because these panels is where water "collects".

I have a wax/sealant layer, why do I have watermarks?
Your wax and sealant layer would increase surface tension of the paint so that water simply "rolls off" (sheeting) on inclined panels (for example, your doors and hood). But if the water stays on a level surface then it stays as it does on most sedan trunks.

Will a polish/compound work?
Hell yeah. In fact once you do a paint correction you can level the surface of the paint etch even if it's "in" your paint (because you're removing paint layers after all). So it fixes #1, #2, and #3.

How should I PM you next time?
I would have preferred a more humorous "HELP MEEEEEEEEEEE <thread link>" than just "<thread link>. And yes, you have to make the "me" extra long for more drama effect.

Hope that helps Cathy :naughty2:

[_Cathy_]

^I learn so much from you!

You could have a second career as a writer

[ironman06]

Well, thanks to Cathy's rather short PM this thread got my attention.

First off, you need to identify what kind of watermark etching does your car has. This is broadly classified as "in" the paint or "outside" the paint. "In" means that the watermark etched into the paint layer, "outside" means that the watermark due to mineral deposits on the paint surface.

1. If you throw X acid to your paint and let it sit around, what you have is a "in" paint etching.
2. If you have water on your paint and have it bask in the afternoon sun, you probably just have the more common "outside" watermark deposits.
3. If you have a car and expose it into the elements (rain, sun, bird droppings, rinse & repeat) for a long time then you probably have both "in" and "out".

Anything that manages to eat into your paint layer means that it's potent enough to penetrate your other layers.

Since I believe you have #2, I'll go more in-depth on that one here..

So like.. what are these "deposits"?
These deposits are hardened water mineral deposits. Think of them as a cave's calcium carbonate stalagmites/stalactites but on a microns scale and stuck to your paint.

How do you soften them?
If there's not much deposits, just washing your car will do. If the deposits are more hard-headed than your average <insert annoying boss here> that then it's time to use chemicals to help you out..

Let's say you need the chemicals, what's the cheapest thing to throw at them?
Probably either diluted vinegar or isopropyl alcohol.

I'm too cheap for those two, what about something "free"?
I believe your urine is acidic AND free. I still won't recommend peeing on your car though.

How do you apply these?
Uhh... any. Use a towel then dip and rub it or you can fill up a spray can and just spray them. It doesn't take long for mineral deposits to melt under the might of acids. Please do not throw sulfuric or hydrochloric acid to your car. And if you do use the "free" route and you're male.. do it with style and aim properly. If you're practicing kegel, you might be able to spot-clean it per panel too.

Will cleaner waxes work?
Depends on how much cleaning power it has. But it generally does.

What are these cleaner waxes?
Also known as All-in-Ones, these are your "One Step" detailing products. They do everything at the fraction of the time and cost but won't do it as good as a dedicated step will give. The most accessible cleaner wax would probably be 3M's Cleaner Wax and Mother's Cleaner Wax. Since you're a Collinite junkie, Collinite has the SS lineup. Do you have Klasse's All-In-One (KAIO)? Then use that. That's an exceptionally great cleaner/sealant (more cleaner than sealant really)

Is leaving your car dirty for extended periods bad for your paint?
No. I haven't had my car washed for at least two weeks now mind you. It's so dirty that I just have to make it a priority to visit one tomorrow because the amount of dirt accumulating on the lower half of my door panel is mind boggling.

Will cleaner waxes strip off a layer of paint?
It won't do anything to your clear coat but expect it to remove your protection layer.

Will the alcohol and vinegar remove my wax/sealant protection layer?
Yes. IPA alcohol is often used as a wax remover.

Why is it on the roof and trunk?
Because these panels is where water "collects".

I have a wax/sealant layer, why do I have watermarks?
Your wax and sealant layer would increase surface tension of the paint so that water simply "rolls off" (sheeting) on inclined panels (for example, your doors and hood). But if the water stays on a level surface then it stays as it does on most sedan trunks.

Will a polish/compound work?
Hell yeah. In fact once you do a paint correction you can level the surface of the paint etch even if it's "in" your paint (because you're removing paint layers after all). So it fixes #1, #2, and #3.

How should I PM you next time?
I would have preferred a more humorous "HELP MEEEEEEEEEEE <thread link>" than just "<thread link>. And yes, you have to make the "me" extra long for more drama effect.

Hope that helps Cathy :naughty2:

Upping this! As i have had to search endlessly for watermark removal techniques.

[shok]

Carpro Spotless.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wonZq2_vMQ4

[bloowolf]

I washed my car after one week and discovered watermarks on the roof and trunk. I waxed my car using Collinite but I could not take the watermark stains out on the paint. I could live with the watermark stains on the glass but the paint is unacceptable.

The horrible ulan-araw weather did this to my car's paint

Is it safe for me to remove on my own? What are the steps?

I think the first step is an cleaner wax. Unfortunately, aside from it being a chore to apply & remove by hand, it also strips away a layer of paint. The sun is the culprit & unless you park in a covered area, the problem is most likely to recur. Why not invest in having the paint professionally treated with paint protection after, to reduce chances of fading in the future. FYI, after getting home from a rainy drive, I usually dry my roof & hood with a chammy cloth, just to prevent the heat radiating from the metal to dry up then water beads, the pop up the hood to cool down the engine bay. This might help. Good luck

[_Cathy_]

I think the first step is an cleaner wax. Unfortunately, aside from it being a chore to apply & remove by hand, it also strips away a layer of paint. The sun is the culprit & unless you park in a covered area, the problem is most likely to recur. Why not invest in having the paint professionally treated with paint protection after, to reduce chances of fading in the future. FYI, after getting home from a rainy drive, I usually dry my roof & hood with a chammy cloth, just to prevent the heat radiating from the metal to dry up then water beads, the pop up the hood to cool down the engine bay. This might help. Good luck

oh my god :rant: I had no idea that leaving my car dirty for a week would cause this much damage

So if I take it to a professional detailer, they will still use a cleaner wax and strip off a layer of paint?

Is it okay for an amateur to apply the cleaner wax? I am afraid I might damage the paint if I do not do it properly? Can anyone please recommend a good cleaner wax. TIA.

[bloowolf]

Not a deep layer, just the very superficial one. Cleaner wax is better than a rubbing compound, which is more abrasive. You can do it yourself, but apply it to a small, manageable section, like a foot square. I think 3m has sample sachets, or Microtex Nanofil. Try that first. Try buffing, but not too hard. Use damp applicator pad. Parang workout na rin. Good luck

[_Cathy_]

Not a deep layer, just the very superficial one. Cleaner wax is better than a rubbing compound, which is more abrasive. You can do it yourself, but apply it to a small, manageable section, like a foot square. I think 3m has sample sachets, or Microtex Nanofil. Try that first. Try buffing, but not too hard. Use damp applicator pad. Parang workout na rin. Good luck

Thanks. It's so weird because only the roof and trunk has watermarks.

I'll try those next week. Hopefully the stains come out. So after the cleaner wax I will polish again?

[crosswind]

Thanks. It's so weird because only the roof and trunk has watermarks.

I'll try those next week. Hopefully the stains come out. So after the cleaner wax I will polish again?

Polish it again if it dosen/t come out
bring it to the deatiling shop
it maybe cheaper than doing it your self
I experience watermarks too but I can live with it
BTW what car is that parang impossible naman sa brandnew altis na magka watermark

[_Cathy_]

Polish it again if it dosen/t come out
bring it to the deatiling shop
it maybe cheaper than doing it your self
I experience watermarks too but I can live with it
BTW what car is that parang impossible naman sa brandnew altis na magka watermark

2014 Altis. Paint was perfect until this week with the ulan araw weather. A few days before I hosed it off with water lang but I did not dry it. Saturday pwede ng tamnan ng kamote so when I washed it I saw the watermarks na. Weird lang talaga na sa roof and trunk lang.

[bloowolf]

2014 Altis. Paint was perfect until this week with the ulan araw weather. A few days before I hosed it off with water lang but I did not dry it. Saturday pwede ng tamnan ng kamote so when I washed it I saw the watermarks na. Weird lang talaga na sa roof and trunk lang.

Oh, so maybe culprit was the hose water. Just an opinion, but haven't you noticed, tap water leaves a stain because of minerals in it? Tap water pumped from ground sources contains minerals which are left behind when water evaporates. That is why not advisable to wash your car when surface is hot or under the sun.

[_Cathy_]

It looks like it Stupid me. I wish it could be fixed pa.

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[Monty]

Cath, I agree. Jhnkvn can have his own advice column. His analogies are spot on!

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[shadow]

Simple lang yan, stop being anal about your car's finish. Ganyan talaga dahil ginagamit.


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[red_one]

normal water etching is only up to the clear coat. polishing will be able to remove it. so you do not remove too much paint, start with the least abrasive polish first.

[bloowolf]

A type of vinegar commonly used as a household cleaner is Heinz distilled white vinegar. You can search the net on proper dilution for your needs. Do not use full strength. For my jeans, I normally use 180 ml in a basin of water to fix the dye.