P21S Carnauba Wax

**woodfire** · July 21st, 2003 11:14 AM

an officemate who just arrived from vacation from the U.S. gave me a jar of P21S Carnauba Wax. ignorant me of course just took the jar of wax without knowing it being one of the best so far!

after thoroughly polishing my rig with 3M Machine Polish (using a makita 9227), i hand-applied the P21S wax. LO and BEHOLD! I believe this is yet the best wax I have ever applied in my rig in terms of depth and clarity of shine!!!

unfortunately, I do not know whether there are dealers of this less known wax (at least locally) here in Manila.

if any of you guys are going to the U.S., I recommend you buy a couple of jars of P21S.

**Alfalfameister** · July 21st, 2003 01:31 PM

According to a detailing site (www.autopia.org), P21S is also known as S100, although P21S is sold to car enthusiasts, and S100 marketed to bike enthusiasts.

(they theorize that Bikers won't spend big amounts of money for a bike wax).

HOWEVER, after numerous tests (just visit www.autopia.org), the posters of autopia and other message boards have concluded that P21S is IDENTICAL to S100.

I have two (2) unopened, brand new, cans of S100. I'm selling it at P1,500 each.

(Reason for selling: I have three tubs of S100, and each tub of S100 should last about 30 to 40 waxings -- so, done once every three weeks... well, you do the math)

I can deliver to Robinson's Galleria, Ermita, Perea St (Legaspi Village, Makati), Alabang... wherever there is a Kingsmen branch.

--Alf

By the way, as woodfire has stated, it is a FANTASTIC wax.

According to THE WAX TEST REPORTS, it is the only wax that scored straight A's in all their categories. In their test, no synthetic or carnauba based wax was shinier/glossier/deeper than P21S (a.k.a. S100). Maybe S100 doesn't have the longetivity of synthetics, but its shine/gloss/depth is to die for.

P1,500 each. (limited quantity: I only have two)

**slayer** · July 21st, 2003 06:11 PM

Alf,

I posted this same question at PAD. Is your S100 The carnuba one?

**BlackMagic** · July 22nd, 2003 10:26 AM

Thats what we use at BigBerts. That P21S/S100 is what I've got on my ride now. AWESOME wax.

**Alfalfameister** · July 22nd, 2003 03:48 PM

SLAYER: Yes, carnauba. Don't know of any other anyway (unless it's the shine enhancer stuff which are cleaners)

--Alf

**slayer** · July 22nd, 2003 06:36 PM

Alf,

Thanks! Will think about it. Medyo i'm kinda saving-up for something eh.

**theveed** · July 23rd, 2003 10:23 AM

S100/P21S is Big Bert's standard wax... it's truely a great wax especially on white and silver as its durability can extend to 2 months or so under our weather... Shine wise, it has the characteristics of a synthetic rather than a carnauba, maybe because of it's relatively lower silicon content.

P21S only has a carnauba wax, no other waxes from the company is available.

**woodfire** · July 28th, 2003 03:43 PM

Hey BIG BERTS!

How much pa-detail ng E36 including interior, carpet shampooing, engine bay, and exterior? Estimated no. of days? Do I need to get appointment?

Although I'm into detailing (recently detailed my pajero and strada using P21S), I'm afraid i do not have the time these coming weekends because of work and family committments.

I just got the E36 last Saturday from the shop (after almost 3-months there for major repair and installation of turbo) and it's really quite dirty!!!

you may email me at atvelasquez*pbcom.com.ph or woodfire*info.com.ph

**scarab** · July 29th, 2003 01:11 AM

...shucks, i should've known that brand of wax when i was in the U.S. 3 weeks ago.

**Karding** · July 29th, 2003 01:37 AM

wow! eto na pala ang hinihintay kong wax, no hard rubbing to remove according to the website and leaves no white residue. :cool: thanks woodfire!

**Karding** · July 29th, 2003 01:54 AM

did it look like this after the wax?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0/fbb249c7.jpg

and..

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/fbb247f1.jpg

**bacon** · July 29th, 2003 08:56 AM

Karding,

You definitely won't be disappointed with S100/P21S. I suggest that to maximize the full potential of the wax, and to get the best shine, depth and richness in paint color, you go through whatever proper paint prep your ride needs. Baka hindi ka rin masiyahan ng husto kung wax lang ang ilalagay mo pero me slight swirling and oxidation na yung car.

Since I believe you're from the States, I also suggest that you get S100 from any Harley Davidson dealership. It's priced at roughly $15 a tub as against P21S which is priced at $24. Laki ng savings. These two waxes come from the same manufacturer, and it is widely believed in the detailing community in the States, and here in the Philippines, that they're practically identical. Re-marketed ang S100 for the Harley people kasi so they believe that the bike enthusiasts won't shell as much as $24 a tub for wax. On the other hand, P21S naman is being marketed to the high end sports car like Porshe, so natural na palabasin na mas mahal.

HTH

**Karding** · July 30th, 2003 12:58 AM

bacon, is this the wax you are referring to? Kinda got confused when you said "tube" and I can only find the below image. Thanks for the info, may cycle shop na malapit sa bahay, I'll get some this weekend. I need a buffer too, I dont have the patience to buff it with my used socks :lol:

**mojako** · July 30th, 2003 01:48 AM

Would you guys recommend this over Megs #20 sealant in terms of durability and look?

**theveed** · July 30th, 2003 11:13 AM

Karding: Tub hehe...

Mojako: Looks is purely subjective, no product can claim it is "better" than the other... As for durability, as usual, synthetics will outlast any wax...

**BlackMagic** · July 30th, 2003 11:17 AM

Mojako,
Carnauba waxes cant be compared with sealants in terms of durability. Sealants will always outlast waxes. In terms of looks, that is really subjective. Sealants tend to give extra shine while premium carnauba waxes leave a deeper and more wet look shine.

**bacon** · July 30th, 2003 09:31 PM

Karding,
Na mis-read mo lang, dude...tub of P21S. Hehe. Yep, that's it!

Mojako,
If you're inclined to have the glazed look (IHG, Moms S&G, Megs Show Car Glaze, etc.), maybe its worth trying #20 out. I was told by the people from Simex that you can apply #20 over Show Car Glaze. Have to tell you, though, I haven't tried out this product personally yet. Medyo me kamahalan dito. Sa States, mga $17 lang yan. I think they're selling it here for P1500-1700 per bottle.

**Karding** · July 31st, 2003 12:28 AM

Originally posted by bacon
Karding,
Na mis-read mo lang, dude...tub of P21S. Hehe. Yep, that's it!

hahaha, okay, thanks ulit :cool:

**mojako** · July 31st, 2003 09:23 AM

the reason why im comparing megs #20 and S100 is because they have the same price locally. May nagbebenta sa PAD ng S100 for 1.5k and sa Simex naman, 1.5k rin yung #20. Medyo may kamahalan nga talaga sa simex. Glazes don't last that long eh noh? so parang sayang naman pera ko if it only lasts as long as the wax that I use on top of it, so parang sulit pag sealant, then wax for aesthetic purposes? what do you think peeps? Has anybody used Megs speed glaze here? may repacked bottles kasi sila sa simex eh

**theveed** · July 31st, 2003 10:39 AM

speed glaze is a good product for fresh paint but for looks it doesn't really do that much... I'd rather spend it on bodyshop hand polish.

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