Let's discuss kei cars...

[architect]

HI AY,

Current kei car engine specs is max out at 660cc. However Suzuki does have the F8A which is 800cc.

Fully agree with you re the need for base model. The question is how base is base? Four door is a given but the group is still deliberating between 660cc and 800cc. Basically between keeping true to the kei specs or going with current trends. That is why I started this thread to get more informative feedback like yours. However the caveat is that most of the tsikoteers do not fall directly into our specified target market. Still, a constructive open discussion should help considerably towards defining a suitable configuration. Thanks and regards.

[wildthing]

My favorite Kei cars from Daihatsu (asside from the Copen)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...u_Tanto_01.jpg
Daihatsu Tanto

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/250/gallery/2.jpg
Daihatsu Boon X4 (miniture Subaru )

[alwayz_yummy]

how about lets start on a basic platform like mira, or micra or old alto(aka daewoo tico)

660cc, 5MT if possible, 4 is good.. but also can be in either 3 or 4 speed AT.

dapat atleast maka 20km/L on a non-turbo engine, efi if possible.


out of the story ang on-frame chassis because of weight. front wheel configuration.

will look on chinese and japanese sites for details. at para na din sa design specs din nila..

well target market natin are students, ordinary workers who travel mostly alone...

[architect]

how about lets start on a basic platform like mira, or micra or old alto(aka daewoo tico)

660cc, 5MT if possible, 4 is good.. but also can be in either 3 or 4 speed AT.

For prototyping this would probably be one of the most expeditious ways to go. Suzuki keis seem to be more widely available here than the other brands so we probably will go that route.

dapat atleast maka 20km/L on a non-turbo engine, efi if possible.

Actually we are trying to achieve more than that. With gas prices expected to hit at least P70 per liter, at say 25 Km/L and 1500 km per month, that would be 60 li x P70 = P4,200. Compare to say an average of 8 km/L and 1500 km per month, that would be 187.50 li x P70 = P13,125.00. That would be a difference of P8,925.00 on monthly gas costs alone.

out of the story ang on-frame chassis because of weight. front wheel configuration.

If you are interested in helping in the design, kindly pm drey or ehnriko.

will look on chinese and japanese sites for details. at para na din sa design specs din nila..

Please do so. Will greatly appreciate your help.

well target market natin are students, ordinary workers who travel mostly alone...

Yup.

[alwayz_yummy]

tignan ko k din kung may new 660cc's pa or we'll refurbish nalang.parang 800cc na min sa market ngayon,e...

bettere kung suzuki wagon-r/r-wide ang itsura

[architect]

The chopped-up wagon r's in imus are F6As.

As for the wagon r appearance - be prepared to debate with drey.

[OyiL]

pede kaya ito?

[alwayz_yummy]

hehehe..ganun...

for the engine, eto naisip ko na-- a 660cc turbo and a non-turbo 800cc.. both with either matic or manual.. forget the 4wd.. pero siguro, for the 660, go MT tayo, at sa 800cc may MT/AT options.

theres a cvt tranny for this.. now sourcing the cvt is not easy. pero kung yun mamemate natin than that traditional AT, its much better.

nga pala, newer K6A has VVT!

a so thats the reason why he's touring the chop shops in bulacan hehehe.. i thought he will go to apalit chop-chop center hehehe...

will come with them pag uwi ng misis at kids ko sa palayan city, n.e...pati mag JDM kei-car viewing kami na din sa plaridel kung kaya din..

edit: instead of sourcing for F6a engine.. why not the newer K6A engines

Displacement, cc 658
Engine model K6A
NA-Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 58 ps (42.66 kw) / 7500 rpm
NA-Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 6.2 kg*m (59.82 N*m) / 4000 rpm
Turbo-Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm64 ps (47.07 kw) / 6500 rpm
Turbo-Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm10.8 kg*m (105.91 N*m) / 3500 rpm
Engine type Water cooling serial 3 cylinder DOHC12 valve
Fuel system EPI (electrically controlled gasoline injection)
Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline
Compression ratio 10.5
Bore, mm 68 Stroke, mm 60.4
Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 5.5

a suzuki kei








specs of the model is found here (too many to post)

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/suzuki/kei/

[architect]

*AY,

Sorry I didn't make it clear - di chop chop un mga zuk wagon r's. Well, in a way they are as they are literally cut into four main pieces to make them more compact for transport from Japan and (I assume) to reduce applicable taxes. Kasi when we say chop-chop, it implies carnapped vehicles.

re F6A vs K6A - I guess it is a question of affordability...but, of course, we can discuss it sa eb.

*OyiL - have you pm'd/emailed ehnriko re the design platform?

[alwayz_yummy]

hehe joke lang yun.. alam ko na yung style na yun.. assembled ang labas nun sa lto.. good as brand new daw hehehe..kaya mura mga yun...