Learn from The Chinese and Indian Auto Industry Model

[uls]

While we are still trying to figure out how to build our own cars...

Some guy in France is doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpG...e.typepad.com/

[mazingerZ]

Here in Iloilo we already have several patented jeepney models and designs. We have two strong jeepney manufacturers here, Joroshely and Manuel Motors. Pero there are restrictions ata as to the selling of these types of jeepneys outside of our island (Panay). Jeeps here are far different than what you see in any other places in the RP.

[dprox]

While we are still trying to figure out how to build our own cars...

Some guy in France is doing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpG...e.typepad.com/

Hi uls. This thread is about learning from Chinese and Indians, but for you we can make this exception. Parlez vous francais? Anyway, the news is that the Indians have gone to bed with the French on this one, with the Chinese peeping close by.

Guy Nègre's compressed air transport or "CAT" car is way ahead of where you said we should begin, so while we should look forward, our starting point should be here-and-now with what is doable.

Rest assured that as we speak there are Tsikoteers who are into R&D. Their work might not be to your international tastes and standards, but here is where we are, and here is where we have begun.

The compressed air engine will definitely be a major propulsion system of the future, but I don't think we should bet on just one horse. After all, you still need another energy source to compress the air, right? And when brought to massive industrial scale - who knows? - the chemical pollution we have today could be replaced by atmospheric rarefaction two decades from now.

The MDI technology is not perfect, since air cars still need to go hybrid outside city driving. I say let the French bourgoisie [bu̇(r)zh-ˌwä-ˈzē] invent and develop the thing with the Indians. When their turn comes, your insular kids and my probinsyano ones should be able to improve on it without suffocating their fellow humans.

[SIZE="1"]OT: Meanwhile, what we should be wary of are idiotic politicians and businessmen who chase after every automotive and alternative energy trend without due diligence (eg, the plot to replace agricultural lands with biofuel crops). They're like drunken drivers who make no bones running over anyone attempting to occupy a piece of road.[/SIZE]

If we are to have a good-paying indigenous auto industry, we should LEARN from, instead of being mesmerized looky-here by what others are doing, so that we can maintain our focus on what options we actually have. It is also important to be able to think - in all automotive aspects - outside of the box.

Although the Tsikoteers in this Design and Research Forum have converged only a year ago, they have effectively begun - each on his own - some years back. These are guys with enough passion and guts to design and build their own rides, given the usual givens and limitations. There are others here who are visionary, others who have entrepreneurial skills, and others with financial abilities. What is not uncommon among the guys (and gals) here are persistence, creativity, mutual respect, and a desire to develop Original Pilipino Vehicles.

[dprox]

Here in Iloilo we already have several patented jeepney models and designs. We have two strong jeepney manufacturers here, Joroshely and Manuel Motors. Pero there are restrictions ata as to the selling of these types of jeepneys outside of our island (Panay). Jeeps here are far different than what you see in any other places in the RP.

Iloilo should be acknowledged for the Joroshely. If I'm not mistaken, that redesign set the current AUV style, which even the kapampangans adopted and called the "XLT" (accent on the "L"), and was replicated by backyard AUV makers in the 1990s.
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My only reservation is that instead of replicating bigboy snouts (Honda CRV, Isuzu Hilander, Crosswind, etc - and now even the Fortuner has not been spared!), they should have designed something original. We don't need further proof of how good copycats we Pinoys are.

From the standpoint of exterior design principles, what has emerged is a kind of chimera - a greek mythological creature which was made of the parts of multiple animals. Alive, but grotesque.
Remember H.G.Wells' "The Island of Dr Moreau"?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBhEzosruHY"]YouTube - 'The Island of Dr. Moreau' (Trailer)[/ame]

So that's the challenge for the evolution of the post WW2 Jeepney ...




... which the bureaucrats in government never cared to take up.

If it's any consolation, we can at least say that the Iloilo jeepney is a lot smoother in looks than the MVPMAP PhUV. Honestly.

[jpdm]

it's the only way...

The other way is for a group of locals to come up with a few billion pesos, build a factory, buy machinery and robotics, establish credit lines with raw materials and parts suppliers here and abroad, employ people for administration, R&D, assembly etc

With technology just lying around (internet, books, manuals), a sea of pinoy talents (from designers, engineers to lateros), abundant raw materials (steel/plastic etc, or outsource from other countries), good marketing plan, cooperatives (keysa ilagay pera sa pyramiding at financial scams), a superb design (meron na), good business plan at lakas ng loob,puede!


We dont need billions, build a factory, buy robotics etc.....


...SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL......(read-Ernst Friedrich Schumacher -german economist-Small is Beautiful)

....Humongous and behemoth conglomerates in US, Europe and Asia are breaking up into small units for more efficient corporate governance....

...check what happen to FIAT and IBM group........


The pinoy car/vehicle will be churn out from inexpensive, low capital -intensive factories in the countryside.....................

[uls]

With technology just lying around (internet, books, manuals), a sea of pinoy talents (from designers, engineers to lateros), abundant raw materials (steel/plastic etc, or outsource from other countries), good marketing plan, cooperatives (keysa ilagay pera sa pyramiding at financial scams), a superb design (meron na), good business plan at lakas ng loob,puede!

ooookaaaay...

Now go get a group of people together and get them thinking and talking on the same wavelength.

And let them implement the above.

I would like to see this happen.

[dprox]

ooookaaaay...

Now go get a group of people together and get them thinking and talking on the same wavelength.

And let them implement the above.

I would like to see this happen.

Welcome to the few who at least "would want to see this happen".
Unfortunately, not all who have good will can see this happening.
Only those who commit themselves to MAKE IT HAPPEN
will actually SEE IT UNFOLDING.

In the three years I've been in Tsikot forums
I've noticed that most Tsikoteers just lurk.
Many are avid spectators. A few are commentators.
There are also some tinkerers, bless them.

But then there are the explorers - mainstays in the
Design & Research Forum (and the envy of sad sacks and skeptics who have nothing better to do than advertise imported cars and douse OPV enthusiasts with cold, unconstructive pee).

We'd like to know if you REALLY want to see this happen.
You know how to PM me.

[jpdm]

ooookaaaay...

Now go get a group of people together and get them thinking and talking on the same wavelength.

And let them implement the above.

I would like to see this happen.

Anyway, meron na. Just around the corner. In Mindanao, in the Visayas, Pampanga, in Cavite, in Quezon...it's just that, they just hibernate because of wrong attitude of both the government and fellow Pinoys who are so engrossed in proclaiming products they don't really own. (and in fact remained at the mercy of these auto products i.e. prices, exploitative warranties and pms, skyrocketing spareparts and maintenance and of course transport shows ng dress up old model cars of Asian, US, and European manufacturers)

Pero andyan pa rin mga dyipni, assembled auv at hybrid na local na jeepney at auv, mga minivan na ginawang jeep, mga OTJs. ang dami pa. And we can start from these.

ilang beses na sistematikong pinatay ng traidor na pamahalaan natin at kapwa pinoy in cooperation with foreign vested interests (read all those research papers funded by japanese looking for ways to totally dominate Philippine local auto industry. Ang JPEPA kasama dun.They have to search for a new market. 88 million tayo) BUHAY PA DIN.

I've been visiting these auto shows for many years but just got tired of it because after many auto shows the only contribution of the Filipino nation are foreign cars with anik-aniks....(my Taiwanese friends told me, Pinoys should move forward and use our limitless potential and reclaim our self-respect in Asia. We should stop freeloading on other countries achievements...sakit nun skin....pero tama...sila world-class na Asustek, BenQ , Winstron-Acer, Formosa, Uni-President)

Korea, India and China have long graduated from mere spectator in car shows.....(Shanghai Motorshow grabe)...because they are now building their own cars.

In our lucky country, on the other hand, many have attempted already and in fact a lot of them are still refusing to die...Norkis, jeepney builders of Central Visayas and Northern Mindanao, Pampanga, Laguna, MVPMAP and even FMC-Anfra, but are always derailed by modern MAKAPILIs who should be ashamed of giving free $%#* advertisement and help to foreign makers in the country.

Ok lang sana kahit magpakamatay ka sa pag-i-indorsong japanese o korean car mo basta binayaran ka nila. Accepted yun dahil trabaho. O kaya may X-deals at bibigyan sila ng items o premyo bilang kapalit ..e hindi e..free ride pa nga mga Japanese and Korean etc. na products na yan sa mga fans na pinoy.

Ngayon, eto mga Pinoy na gustong makabangon, puro L*$#*k na pintas at pangungutya makukuha mo sa KAPWA PINOY MISMO.

Pinoy wala talagang sariling bait.

Sa matagal na panahon na loyalty sa mga damuhong mga foreign marque na yan nakinabang ba talaga ang mga parokyano at fans na Pinoy sa mga ito? O ang bansa sa mga kotseng ito? Hindi, kasi imbis na magmura e lalo kang mapapamura sa mahal....

NORKIS, FMC, MVPMAP,MALAGUENA, SARAO, AMD, XLT BUILDERS OF PAMPANGA, AMIANAN, CENTRO, SANTAROSA, ILOILO AUV BUILDERS, BACOLOD AND CDO BUILDERS, Columbian Motors, Asian Carmakers, Castro, Atendido, Hayag, Tabing buhay pa mga yan. Kulang lang sa mga ito na tipikal sa Pinoy--walang pagkakaisa...wala..........

WE PINOYS NEED TO CREATE A COMMON ENEMY TO STRIVE....

China....The motherland should defeat the hated japanese and Korean...Remember the rape of Nanking........

India....defeat our former foreign colonial exploiters....Europeans and the British Empire.........

Korea...Defeat Japan in all departments

Japan... East Asia co-prosperity sphere..

Pinoys......mamamatay ng nakadilat ang mata sa Pinas, Middle east at iba pang parte ng mundo kasi modern day slaves..........

[pitbullz]

pinoy masses: talunin ang mga mayayaman!! mahirap lang kami!!! mabuhay ang masa! kaya tayo naghihirap kasi inaapi at inaabuso tayong mahihirap! wowowee!

[jpdm]

pinoy masses: talunin ang mga mayayaman!! mahirap lang kami!!! mabuhay ang masa! kaya tayo naghihirap kasi inaapi at inaabuso tayong mahihirap! wowowee!

It will not happen if the government will not bridge the gap between the rich and the poor.

With the rich and the poor working together, and with the government leading the way, employment, income and true economic development will be realized by the country..

We can can start with the high impact auto industry! Buhayin ang lokal na auto industry at hindi ang maynila lang.......