The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[jpdm]

hahahaha

umiwas na naman

i'll be back in a few hours

See, spindoctor ka talaga uls.Style mo bulok

Hindi ako naiwas. Intay ko uli mala barbero mong kwento.

Intayin kita.
By the way, bakit..may i-puslit ka ba?..na bagong fairy tale?

[ocanursjr]

kaya ko nasabi wala ka conviction

aside from past examples, this is the latest example of your weak conviction

madali ka ma-sway

mula nung nalaman mo nasa Japan used import sector ako, naging todo anti-Japan used ka

nakalimutan mo yata may sasakyan ka na Japan used ang makina

tapon mo na yan para di ka hypocrite

panindigan mo stand mo

ngayon todo anti-Japan used ka, huwag mo ipagmamalaki ang mga ethnic na sasakyan

kasi lahat yan japan used ang makina

yung mga AUV na ginagawa sa iloilo or whatever province

kung hindi brand new ang mga makina at piesa ng mga yan, huwag mo ipagmalaki from now on

coz now, you are totally anti-Japan used and totally pro-brand new

which is why they called you anti poor

dude

Now, everyone knows that uls is in Japan used import sector. Kaya pala todo banat ninyo sa Tsikot Auto Design and Research Forum because of your own interest.

[niky]

I read between the lines niky.

I hardly see how that's possible when you're not even reading the lines.

Repostan nalang ba aabutan natin dito? You're not the only one who can do that:

Uy, lakihan natin, so you can really read between the lines:

[size=7]And how does this become a problem of legal secondhand imports? If we successfully catch and stop smugglers, do we still have to stop legal secondhand imports? Again, we've already specified that a huge majority of our public transport and construction infrastructure (jeeps, buses, cargo trucks, fire trucks, ambulances, construction equipment) is made up of legal secondhand imports. If we ban that, what's left? You still haven't answered this.[/size]

By the way, are you abandoning your tag team? Its so uncanny, you post at the right time and the right moment...when things are heating up...Especially between your friend and uls and me. And your common enemy is me.What a coincidence, di ba niky? I admire you for coming to the defense of your friends.

Labo, meyn. Pinagpipilitan pa mag-away, meyn. Ayaw sumagot, meyn. Wow. hanep.

Sige, lump us all together again, lahat kami smuggler, meyn... mga public enemy number one. Di mo pa rin sinasagot yung tanong ko.

Why? Because you can't.

You can't because there's no easy answer.

That's why the government still allows the importation of secondhand trucks, buses and construction equipment. Because they can't answer that, either. And that's why they allow the importation of secondhand parts.

And that's why "Manong Johnny", who prides himself on being "pro-masa", supports secondhand imports in Cagayan... because he knows that that's what the "masa" want. (Note: I'm not saying I support it... again, tignan mo lang kahit saan dito sa tsikot... anti-RHD-LHD ako).

So, sige, sagot mo na. I already told you I'd like to see secondhands curtailed through higher taxation and strict roadworthiness tests. The question: how do we replace those millions of commercial vehicles without raising the cost of living for the entire country?

[ghosthunter]

Hindi ako umiiwas. Sinungaling ka talaga.

The proof is clear as day to anyone to review the threads.

Tandaan nyo, kayo ni ghosthunter, you started to insult me for posting anti-smuggling articles and posts here. Ghosthunter even invented a story that Im anti-poor because Im denouncing smuggling.

Paano naging anti-poor ang pag-denounce ng isang illegal act like smuggling?

You were denouncing all imported surplus vehicles and parts.

Wala naman tayong patutunguhan. I will argue you will oppose. If I will disagree..raratsada na insulto mo. pag lumaban ako,ayan na si gjhosthunter at niky.

You don't argue. You impose your theoretical ideals. And if anyone raises a question or counters with the reality how the world works, that person is suddenly declared "evil" and working for the devil himself.

Thats why nag-post nalang ako ng articles for people to discuss the issue.

Discuss? Yet when people point out the problems in that "article", you simply declare them as "smugglers" and what have you.

[jpdm]

I hardly see how that's possible when you're not even reading the lines.

Repostan nalang ba aabutan natin dito? You're not the only one who can do that:

Uy, lakihan natin, so you can really read between the lines:

[SIZE=7]And how does this become a problem of legal secondhand imports? If we successfully catch and stop smugglers, do we still have to stop legal secondhand imports? Again, we've already specified that a huge majority of our public transport and construction infrastructure (jeeps, buses, cargo trucks, fire trucks, ambulances, construction equipment) is made up of legal secondhand imports. If we ban that, what's left? You still haven't answered this.[/SIZE]



Labo, meyn. Pinagpipilitan pa mag-away, meyn. Ayaw sumagot, meyn. Wow. hanep.

Sige, lump us all together again, lahat kami smuggler, meyn... mga public enemy number one. Di mo pa rin sinasagot yung tanong ko.

Why? Because you can't.

You can't because there's no easy answer.

That's why the government still allows the importation of secondhand trucks, buses and construction equipment. Because they can't answer that, either. And that's why they allow the importation of secondhand parts.

And that's why "Manong Johnny", who prides himself on being "pro-masa", supports secondhand imports in Cagayan... because he knows that that's what the "masa" want. (Note: I'm not saying I support it... again, tignan mo lang kahit saan dito sa tsikot... anti-RHD-LHD ako).

So, sige, sagot mo na. I already told you I'd like to see secondhands curtailed through higher taxation and strict roadworthiness tests. The question: how do we replace those millions of commercial vehicles without raising the cost of living for the entire country?

Galit ka ba?sakit sa mata nyan.

Malinaw naman ang sinabi ko. AGAINST AKO SA SMUGGLING. Mas maganda kung may total ban sa legit second hand imported CBUs. Kung hindi puede dahil may exemptions (duty free importation given to selected industriess and areas. Ex. for free ports, export firms, construction, tourism, medical sector, some agricultural subsector, other sectors identified by PEZA, BOI for duty free importation and balikbayan) lagyan na lang ng taxes instead of duty free importation para naman may laban ang local brand new CKDs and brand new CBUs that paid the right taxes.


Puwede namang mag-source ng piyesa sa mga available na used local engines. O kung maari gumamit ng bagong engines kahit Chinese.

Kung gusto ng gobyernong strictly follow yung mga laws na na-inact nila.

[niky]

Galit ka ba?sakit sa mata nyan.

Only way I knew to be sure you were reading. :hysterical:

Malinaw naman ang sinabi ko. AGAINST AKO SA SMUGGLING. Mas maganda kung may total ban sa legit second hand imported CBUs. Kung hindi puede dahil may exemptions (duty free importation given to selected industriess and areas. Ex. for free ports, export firms, construction, tourism, medical sector, some agricultural subsector, other sectors identified by PEZA, BOI for duty free importation and balikbayan) lagyan na lang ng taxes instead of duty free importation para naman may laban ang local brand new CKDs and brand new CBUs that paid the right taxes.

Ayun. Mahirap bang sabihin yun?

So, in essence, we can't ban all secondhand imports, but we should really work at stopping smugglers.

Puwede namang mag-source ng piyesa sa mga available na used local engines. O kung maari gumamit ng bagong engines kahit Chinese.

The problem here... we don't have enough to go around for many of them. For owners of, say, unusual cars like the 626 (had one, pain in the butt to find local surplus) and newer cars with smaller volume, it's hard to find parts. As for engines, sa Japan lang uso mag-junk ng tsikot na maganda pa ang makina... here, they'll keep patching together a crashed car until the engine falls apart.

Chinese engines... some are okay. Some are junk, even brand new. Just ask the operator I talked to a few years ago. Brand new JAC bus, only used as transport for their funeral home (in other words, gentle use compared to PUBs), engine popped within 8 months.

Kung gusto ng gobyernong strictly follow yung mga laws na na-inact nila.

And this is the point. If they simply did this, the pre-existing laws on proper taxation, smuggling, roadworthiness and the like will already solve many of the problems you pose.

[ghosthunter]

Si uls nga bulang bula na bunganga sa kakainsulto sa akin. Si ghosthunter at niky came to the rescue.

Hindi patas lumaban mga ito.

As if you don't have your to give you support.

Lahat yan dahil lang sa nagpo-post ako ng mga articles regarding the new government's promise to rid the country of rampant smuggling.

That is putting it too simplified. It is a response to your narrow minded approach to the problem and it's so-called solution.

Nag-imbento pa ng istorya rich daw ako, anti poor at poor should not exist dahl anti-smuggling ako. itong si Uls na barbero gumawa na ng script at kwento.

Look who's making up stories? ... when did I say you were rich? All I said you were anti-poor because you wanted everyone to own and drive new vehicles and that there is no place in jpdm's world for people with used cars.

[jpdm]

Only way I knew to be sure you were reading. :hysterical:

Ayun. Mahirap bang sabihin yun?

So, in essence, we can't ban all secondhand imports, but we should really work at stopping smugglers.

The problem here... we don't have enough to go around for many of them. For owners of, say, unusual cars like the 626 (had one, pain in the butt to find local surplus) and newer cars with smaller volume, it's hard to find parts. As for engines, sa Japan lang uso mag-junk ng tsikot na maganda pa ang makina... here, they'll keep patching together a crashed car until the engine falls apart.

Chinese engines... some are okay. Some are junk, even brand new. Just ask the operator I talked to a few years ago. Brand new JAC bus, only used as transport for their funeral home (in other words, gentle use compared to PUBs), engine popped within 8 months.

And this is the point. If they simply did this, the pre-existing laws on proper taxation, smuggling, roadworthiness and the like will already solve many of the problems you pose.

The question is until when shall we allow second hand imported CBUs? Especially if data shows that its killing the local auto industry slowly and surely..

For his part, Automotive Industry Workers Association (AIWA) Head Frank Mero, reported that the effect of this importation of secondhand vehicles from 1998 to present was the displacement of more workers from assemblers, car parts maker and dealers.

From:

The CAMPI president noted that even with the laws against the importation of second-hand vehicles, used units – including high-value luxury cars – continue to land on the country’s shores through technical smuggling.
She said a Supreme Court ruling in 2004 upheld a previous government ruling against the importation of second-hand vehicles, while Republic Act 8506 banned the importation of right-hand drive vehicles.


Former Senator Wigberto “Bobby” Tañada, chairman of the Fair Trade Alliance who was among the guest speakers during the CAMPI media conference, echoed the statements on the negative effects of the illegal importation of second-hand vehicles.


Citing government figures, Tañada said that in 2003, the LTO registered a total of 195,564 “new” vehicles but only 92,336 were from the sales of local automotive manufacturers and dealers.


“Smuggling must be stopped – it is literally killing thousands of jobs,” Tañada emphasized.


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGdLp8UB...muggling-issuePresidential bets urged to stop car smuggling issue

By ARIS R. ILAGAN
December 4, 2009, 1:53pm
Manila Bulletin

The MVDP is designed to curtail smuggling of second hand CBUs and limits the legit importation of second hand vehicles.

To answer the problem that might possibly arise out of the reduction of second hand imports, MVPMAP for instance is clamoring for government incentives in the production of cheaper models of brand new utility vehicles made in the country.

Thats why the BEEP and the Micro bus are not yet released pending the incentives to be given to new locally made PBV vehicles. I have also posted an article with Mitsubishi planning to come up with other utility vehicles
under the PBV program. They have mentioned (aside from the BEEP) the L300 FB as their entry.

In other words the PBV will make brand new utility vehicles affordable to the public and will eventually replace (gradually) old vehicles.


Also, the program of the government of replacing old engines of jeepneys is still existing. Old diesel engines will be replaced with LPG powered engines.

David motors is also promoting the conversion of old jeepney engines with brand new LPG powered engines which are cheaper than diesel engines.

[OyiL]

hanggang ngayon di parin nagets

slow talaga eto

hindi sa smuggling articles nag umpisa ang pag tawag nila sayo ng anti poor

nag umpisa yan sa PUJ replacement article, yung Beep

diba ikaw ang numero unong supporter ng mga ethnic na sasakyan? (somebody pls post a link to the thread kung saan nagpost si jpdm nga mga pix ng PUJs that he's so proud of)

why didnt you come to the defense of your pathetic PUJs that are being threatened with extinction by stricter govt regulations?

alam mo baket?

masyado napunta ang loob mo sa mga new-car-makers

dahil sa tindi ng galit mo sa Japan used

so kahit pwede ma-outlaw ang PUJs at i-replace ng new mini buses made my Mitsubishi/Almazora, wala kang comment

kaya tinawag ka nila anti poor

coz you're on the side of the new-car-makers who stand to benefit from the abolition of the PUJ

gets mo na?

o kailangan pa ulitin sayo SLOWLY?

ahhhhh...ang pagkakaintindi ni uls dito ay immediate palit lahat ng mga jeepney in favor of the mitsu beep and the isuzu passenger truck . ganun ba ang ibig sabihin ni jpdm?

[jpdm]

Only way I knew to be sure you were reading. :hysterical:

Ayun. Mahirap bang sabihin yun?

So, in essence, we can't ban all secondhand imports, but we should really work at stopping smugglers.

The problem here... we don't have enough to go around for many of them. For owners of, say, unusual cars like the 626 (had one, pain in the butt to find local surplus) and newer cars with smaller volume, it's hard to find parts. As for engines, sa Japan lang uso mag-junk ng tsikot na maganda pa ang makina... here, they'll keep patching together a crashed car until the engine falls apart.

Chinese engines... some are okay. Some are junk, even brand new. Just ask the operator I talked to a few years ago. Brand new JAC bus, only used as transport for their funeral home (in other words, gentle use compared to PUBs), engine popped within 8 months.

And this is the point. If they simply did this, the pre-existing laws on proper taxation, smuggling, roadworthiness and the like will already solve many of the problems you pose.

The question is until when shall we allow second hand imported CBUs? Especially if data shows that its killing the local auto industry slowly and surely..

For his part, Automotive Industry Workers Association (AIWA) Head Frank Mero, reported that the effect of this importation of secondhand vehicles from 1998 to present was the displacement of more workers from assemblers, car parts maker and dealers.

From:

The CAMPI president noted that even with the laws against the importation of second-hand vehicles, used units – including high-value luxury cars – continue to land on the country’s shores through technical smuggling.
She said a Supreme Court ruling in 2004 upheld a previous government ruling against the importation of second-hand vehicles, while Republic Act 8506 banned the importation of right-hand drive vehicles.


Former Senator Wigberto “Bobby” Tañada, chairman of the Fair Trade Alliance who was among the guest speakers during the CAMPI media conference, echoed the statements on the negative effects of the illegal importation of second-hand vehicles.


Citing government figures, Tañada said that in 2003, the LTO registered a total of 195,564 “new” vehicles but only 92,336 were from the sales of local automotive manufacturers and dealers.


“Smuggling must be stopped – it is literally killing thousands of jobs,” Tañada emphasized.


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGdLp8UB...muggling-issuePresidential bets urged to stop car smuggling issue

By ARIS R. ILAGAN
December 4, 2009, 1:53pm
Manila Bulletin

The MVDP is designed to curtail smuggling of second hand CBUs and limits the legit importation of second hand vehicles.

To answer the problem that might possibly arise out of the reduction of second hand imports, MVPMAP for instance is clamoring for government incentives in the production of cheaper models of brand new utility vehicles made in the country.

Thats why the BEEP and the Micro bus are not yet released pending the incentives to be given to new locally made PBV vehicles. I have also posted an article with Mitsubishi planning to come up with other utility vehicles
under the PBV program. They have mentioned (aside from the BEEP) the L300 FB as their entry.

In other words the PBV will make brand new utility vehicles affordable to the public and will eventually replace (gradually) old vehicles.


Also, the program of the government of replacing old engines of jeepneys is still existing. Old diesel engines will be replaced with LPG powered engines.

David motors is also promoting the conversion of old jeepney engines with brand new LPG powered engines which are cheaper than diesel engines.