Audi R10 Diesel Race Car Wins Lemans. New Era In Racing?

[midinite]

Well the results are in the Audi R10 TDI diesel race car (the first diesel race car ever to enter le mans) wins its debut run at the worlds most gruelling race. Other car manufacturers are developing their diesel race technology.

It beat all other car manufacturers including dominant players like Porsche.

WILL DIESEL BE THE NEW STANDARD IN ENDURANCE RACE ENGINES?

[niky]

If it will be so, why not? There's nothing inherently wrong with diesel engines except their lower specific power rating. With modern injection technology addressing that handicap, a lot of modern diesels I've driven feel very much like gasoline power plants, minus a few thousand rpms.

What I'd like to know is how they managed to work out the handicapping for the R10, or if there are any handicaps at all in the current LMP class.

[5Speed]

I dont see any problem in a diesel fed vehicle winning races.....

whats wrong with that?

heck even if they can use diesel to power the Space Shuttle and go to Mars, I dont see any problem either....

The only problem that I can see is its price.....which is still going up....

[Bogeyman]

It should be a logical conclusion, given that diesel engines can withstand greater internal stress due to their construction. Never mind if it is this very same construction that makes them heavier compared to gasoline powerplants.

Diesels for racing, but this is something that our jeepney, truck and bus drivers have already known since long ago. Bakit sa tingin niyo sila ang mahilig humarurot sa kalsada? :D

[niky]

Wonder what would happen if they decided to enforce emissions in races, though...

[midinite]

The Le Mans race had no handicaps. It was a head to head race between a lone diesel team and the rest of the petrol powered pack. Other car manufacturers are now ramping up their diesel programs as a consequence. THe Audi r10 had less pitstops since it was more efficient. It also finished one full lap ahead of the car that came in number 2. That distance along is the entire distance of an entire F1 race. The entire distance of the whole Le Mans race is equivalent to an entire F1 season compressed into 24 hours. That's what makes the win all the more significant...

the R10 v12 displaces 5.5 liters which are compliant to the Le Mans rules. it produced 650 hp and has a max torque of 1100 newton metres. for god's sake BMW can't even complete F1 races. Here you have Audi beating the entire field with an engine no one had the balls to risk racing with. Now it makes you wonder why here everyone is so BMW crazy? Weird that BMW even has ads now for their diesel engined cars that aren't even in the country...wonder why?

[rion]

.The entire distance of the whole Le Mans race is equivalent to an entire F1 season compressed into 24 hours. That's what makes the win all the more significant...

that means Diesel are best for long range race? genius Audi!

.the R10 v12 displaces 5.5 liters which are compliant to the Le Mans rules. it produced 650 hp and has a max torque of 1100 newton metres.

whoa, how did they make that engine with that power in a diesel?

this diesel car deserves a respect!

[Bogeyman]

are we losing sight of the title of the thread?

I suppose that question is best addressed to you, since you yourself had deviated from the topic title as early as your second post...

for god's sake BMW can't even complete F1 races. Here you have Audi beating the entire field with an engine no one had the balls to risk racing with. Now it makes you wonder why here everyone is so BMW crazy? Weird that BMW even has ads now for their diesel engined cars that aren't even in the country...wonder why?

And as mazdamazda mentioned, a number of members here own BMW and MB vehicles. You know, the ones you just labelled as 'wannabe' cars? You might want to go easy on your sweeping statements. 'Wannabe'? Gimme a break.

[mazdamazda]

Er... doesn't BMW Philippines sell the following diesel rides:

BMW X3 2.0d
BMW X5 3.0d
BMW 530d
BMW 735d

[Monseratto]

May mga diesel naman na BMW na 530D sa daan, 5 m ang halaga sa casa. Audi has A6 and A4 TDIs at PGA.

[midinite]

I stand corrected then...but how many races has BMW won? in recent history? also...what about with diesel?

[Monseratto]

I stand corrected then...but how many races has BMW won? in recent history? also...what about with diesel?

The first Formula 1 Championship ever won by a turbocharged engine.

http://www.bmwworld.com/racing/histo...abham_bt54.htm

Also they won the 1999 Le Mans and Sebring 24 hours ALMR as a factory team. If you include their wins as a engine-supplier with Williams and their touring car wins...Currently running the BMW-Sauber F1 team and has a factory team with the FIA WTCC.

http://bmw-motorsport.com/ms/en/index.html?lity=hn_ms

Audi won the Le Mans 6 x in past seven years, but I think there were also not much car manufacturers factory team to compeit with.

[midinite]

The first Formula 1 Championship ever won by a turbocharged engine.

Also they won the 1999 Le Mans and Sebring 24 hours ALMR as a factory team. If you include their wins as a engine-supplier with Williams and their touring car wins...Currently running the BMW-Sauber F1 team and has a factory team with the FIA WTCC.


Audi won the Le Mans 6 x in past seven years, but I think there were also not much car manufacturers factory team to compeit with.

Ahh that was 1999...and the Sebring is only 12 hours...Question is are BMWs followers or innovators...Did they think up a diesel engine to race? Would anyone here even have dreamt it possible?

[Monseratto]

Ahh that was 1999...and the Sebring is only 12 hours...Question is are BMWs followers or innovators...Did they think up a diesel engine to race? Would anyone here even have dreamt it possible?

Mmm...I couldn't tell if anyone else would race using a diesel since its not in the regulations of most racing classes to do so. Audi may have chosen to use the diesel in the R10 since it is allowed and for me, more publicity stunt since they already won it 6 out of 7 years, BMW pulled out of le mans to join the F1 circus. Also if I am not mistaken, Audi R10s are the only factory-backed team in the prototype category, I'm not sure but the rest are privateers teams. And Innovation-wise I think Mercs have many first than Audis (first diesel, first ABS, first airbag...).

[mrpink]

hehe .. we get your point .. i personally don't think audi gets the respect it deserves ..i think audi has the image of "others" like volvo in the european car category after merc and bmw .. we're not talking about the supercars of course .. in anycase, this is an outstanding feat .. i've always been a fan of audi since the quattro came out ..

[midinite]

Thanks Mr Pink and Rion,
Yes, for a long time no one thought all-wheel drive was possible for passenger cars but Audi didn't listen and invented quattro in the 80s...and won almost every Rally there was...Now it is a commonplace sight...That's why they did this with diesel. Honestly, who would consider it here for cars among the car glitterati...diba we associate it with jeepneys...but that is what their "vorsprung" philosophy is all about...to push the envelope. And to tell you honestly, that is why I am a fan of theirs...they put their money where there mouth is...BMW and Mercs for me are dying...they are merely badges...with no balls.

[rion]

Thanks Mr Pink and Rion,
Yes, for a long time no one thought all-wheel drive was possible for passenger cars but Audi didn't listen and invented quattro in the 80s...and won almost every Rally there was...Now it is a commonplace sight...That's why they did this with diesel. Honestly, who would consider it here for cars among the car glitterati...diba we associate it with jeepneys...but that is what their "vorsprung" philosophy is all about...to push the envelope. And to tell you honestly, that is why I am a fan of theirs...they put their money where there mouth is...BMW and Mercs for me are dying...they are merely badges...with no balls.

my friends always under estimate diesel. to them High RPM sounds means they are fast, they think...

Maybe soon Local manufacturers will be selling diesel passenger cars like Toyota Avensis Diesel.

[ian_rex]

i second your opinion midnite. i've admired Audi than Benz or BMW.

[midinite]

i've admired Audi than Benz or BMW.

You are a brave man for that statement in a country dominated by wannabes driving benzes and BMWs

[mazdamazda]

You are a brave man for that statement in a country dominated by wannabes driving benzes and BMWs

CAREFUL with that statement.

There are lots of Tsikoteers (here & stateside) here who drive a MB & BMW.

Ahh that was 1999...and the Sebring is only 12 hours...Question is are BMWs followers or innovators...Did they think up a diesel engine to race? Would anyone here even have dreamt it possible?

Does Audi have the balls to compete with the grandaddy of all motorsports? Formula 1?

diba we associate it with jeepneys...but that is what their "vorsprung" philosophy is all about...to push the envelope. And to tell you honestly, that is why I am a fan of theirs...they put their money where there mouth is...BMW and Mercs for me are dying...they are merely badges...with no balls.

FYI.

The first production diesel vehicle came from MB.

The first production turbodiesel vehicle came from MB.

The first production turbodiesel w/ direct injection vehicle came from Fiat.

The first diesel vehicle to win ANY kind of racing came from BMW (1998 24 Hours Nurburgring - BMW 320d).

Now tell me... who's pushing the diesel engine technology?