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    good day mga expert's !

    ano ba magiging effect sa sasakyan kapag ini istart ng walang heater , anu ang possible masira kapag palaging ganito ?

    napansin ko kasi yung relatives kasi namin ini istart niya palagi yung sasakyan ng wala ng heater heater , need na need pa nanam ito lalo kapag umaga :hammer:
    kahit masakit sa luob ko hindi ko naman mapag sabihan , kasi nakaka tanda sa akin ..
    Ride is 2.5 D4d .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrn29 View Post
    good day mga expert's !

    ano ba magiging effect sa sasakyan kapag ini istart ng walang heater , anu ang possible masira kapag palaging ganito ?

    napansin ko kasi yung relatives kasi namin ini istart niya palagi yung sasakyan ng wala ng heater heater , need na need pa nanam ito lalo kapag umaga :hammer:
    kahit masakit sa luob ko hindi ko naman mapag sabihan , kasi nakaka tanda sa akin ..
    Ride is 2.5 D4d .
    in my opinion..

    may sasakit lang ang luob. yun lang.
    mabilis ang "heater" ng innova. ilang segundo lang. baka yan ang rason kung bakit akala mo ay walang heater-heater..
    diesel engines need three things to fire up: fuel-air mixture, pressure, and heat. once running and the engine is hot, one does not need a heater to start the engine again if you turn it off. the cylinder walls are already hot. all one needs then, is fuel-air and pressure.
    so, anong mangyayari kung walang heater ang cold engine ? hindi siya mag-start. do you need a heater to re-start a hot engine? nope. just take a look at how jeepney drivers re-start their hot engines: tinutulak lang.
    Last edited by dr. d; November 12th, 2012 at 08:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrn29 View Post
    good day mga expert's !

    ano ba magiging effect sa sasakyan kapag ini istart ng walang heater , anu ang possible masira kapag palaging ganito ?

    napansin ko kasi yung relatives kasi namin ini istart niya palagi yung sasakyan ng wala ng heater heater , need na need pa nanam ito lalo kapag umaga :hammer:
    kahit masakit sa luob ko hindi ko naman mapag sabihan , kasi nakaka tanda sa akin ..
    Ride is 2.5 D4d .
    cmiiw, di ba kailangan lang ang heater pag ayaw mag-start (malamig ang makina)? o baka ito yung katulad sa L300, yung key light sa gauge panel e kailangan muna mag-ilaw ng green (not sure. di ko na maalala kung red o green) bago mo pwede start ignition. saka tingin ko ok lang yan basta wag muna paandarin. as in start nya lang muna yung kotse para maginit.

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    para sa cold climates na lang yan heater plugs, gaya sa korea o japan. sa pinas, maliban na lang kung nasa baguio ka ng december, sa mga new diesel engines na (crdi, o d4d) di na need yan sa tropical climates kasi maganda atomization ng fuel kaya compression heat lang start na agad. yung mga lumang diesels yun ang need ang heater plugs.
    Last edited by yebo; November 12th, 2012 at 09:53 PM.

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    mga sir bkt ung auv namin pag umaga kailangan 50 seconds para mapa andar lang
    kailangan naba palita heater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sotel View Post
    mga sir bkt ung auv namin pag umaga kailangan 50 seconds para mapa andar lang
    kailangan naba palita heater?

    after 50secs tska nawawala ung heater coil?

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    d pindut lang ung heater sir :D

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    Direct injection fuel systems operate at a much much much higher pressure than old mechanical injectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrn29 View Post
    good day mga expert's !

    ano ba magiging effect sa sasakyan kapag ini istart ng walang heater , anu ang possible masira kapag palaging ganito ?

    napansin ko kasi yung relatives kasi namin ini istart niya palagi yung sasakyan ng wala ng heater heater , need na need pa nanam ito lalo kapag umaga :hammer:
    kahit masakit sa luob ko hindi ko naman mapag sabihan , kasi nakaka tanda sa akin ..
    Ride is 2.5 D4d .
    direct injection diesel engines don't even have heater plugs.. they only have heater coils that heats up cold air during engine start..

    for your 2.5 D4D you don't need "heater" you can start the engine immediately.. the heater coils will heat up the air for 1 - 2 mins..

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    Lahat po ng diesel engine may glow plug. Modern CRDI do have glowplugs pero quick glow. Dimo lang pansin pero saglit lang ang operation nito compared sa old school na may timer na mas matagal.

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    direct injections don't need glow plugs, some may have but not all diesel engine.... some only have heater coils to warm up the air.. kia J3 engine only have heater coils.. AFAIK 4JA1 isuzu don't have glow plugs

    for engines with glow plug like 4D56, even if the heater indicator on your dash board turns off, your glow plug is still operating until your temp starts to rise... when the heater indicator turns off, it means you can now crank the engine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yapoy86 View Post
    direct injection diesel engines don't even have heater plugs.. they only have heater coils that heats up cold air during engine start..

    for your 2.5 D4D you don't need "heater" you can start the engine immediately.. the heater coils will heat up the air for 1 - 2 mins..
    Yep, while old diesel engines need glow plugs, a good battery, and encouragement while you crank it on a cold day.

    "Come on...come on...you can do it..."

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    thank you mga sir's . kung ako lang talagan nag heater ako .

    iba na kasi yung nag iingat , nadala na kasi ako sa sasakyan na mayat maya pagawa ng pagawa .


    eh yung gumagamit kasi kahit napakabilis ng heater ng innova . naaunahan niya . gingawang gas . kapag suksok ng susi diretso start na. kung sana isuzu engine ok lang kahit gulpihin nila sanay talaga sa pang matibayan , eh crdi kasi nag merun pa naman issue yung innova na hard starting baka mauwi sa ganun .
    lalo kapag umaga .di na nila ginagamitan ng heater .eh diretso sa start agad. tsk ..
    Last edited by jrn29; November 13th, 2012 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo View Post
    para sa cold climates na lang yan heater plugs, gaya sa korea o japan. sa pinas, maliban na lang kung nasa baguio ka ng december, sa mga new diesel engines na (crdi, o d4d) di na need yan sa tropical climates kasi maganda atomization ng fuel kaya compression heat lang start na agad. yung mga lumang diesels yun ang need ang heater plugs.
    Quote Originally Posted by yapoy86 View Post
    direct injection diesel engines don't even have heater plugs.. they only have heater coils that heats up cold air during engine start..

    for your 2.5 D4D you don't need "heater" you can start the engine immediately.. the heater coils will heat up the air for 1 - 2 mins..


    kahit sir ilang araw na hindi na paandar pwede ng hindi na i heater. ? yung parang gas nadireretso na agad ?

    sesnsia na po medyu matanong :sweat:, maselan talaga ako pag dating sa sasakyan..

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    yes, kahit ilang araw pa yan... pag pasok mo ng susi pwede mo na agad i-start parang gas engine... kung may heater indicator naman pag namatay yung ilaw start na agad... sa adventure ko 4D56 na makina wala pa 5 secs patay na yung heater indicator start ko na agad yung makina... pero kahit nag start na yung glow plugs ko naka on pa din.. once na tumaas yung temp ko dun pa lang mag turn off yung glow plugs...

    sa mga direct injections ganun din ang sequence nyan..ang kaibahan lang eh heater coils ang gamit para uminit o mag "warm-up" yung hangin na pumapasok sa makina.. di gaya ng glow plugs na pinaiinit mismo yung malapit sa pre chamber...

    dapat ang diesel engine one click din.. kung hindi eh may problema yan gaya ng hangin sa fuel lines... mahinang battery or mahinang koneksyon ng glow plugs o pundido na glow plugs...

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    sa d4d naman wala din naman 5 secs , peru once na inistart mo na .nawawala bigla yung glow plug indicator .
    1 click nga lang kaya lang baka kaka start kasi ng without heater mauwi siya sa hard starting .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrn29 View Post
    sa d4d naman wala din naman 5 secs , peru once na inistart mo na .nawawala bigla yung glow plug indicator .
    1 click nga lang kaya lang baka kaka start kasi ng without heater mauwi siya sa hard starting .
    sabi ko nga.. kahit nag start na yung engine, yung heater glow plugs mo or heater coils naka ON pa din yan.. once tumaas na yung temp mo dun pa lang yan mag turn OFF... sa manual nga nung kia carnival ko dati nasusulat na "don't drive the vehicle unless the temp needle starts to rise" kaya wait ko muna tumaas yung temp bago umandar..

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    Some CRDi engines still incorporates the use of glow plugs. A good example are Ford's TDCi Duratorq's.

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