Elevated U-turn at C-5/Kalayaan (Merged Threads)

[bmwboxxercup]

After spending an additional hour traversing the traffic caused by the construction of the elevated U-turn (northbound to southbound) along the C-5/Kalayaan intersection (well that's what I surmised from the billboard), It got me thinking what could be the logic behind it when there is already an existing Exit (Market!Market!) just a few hundred meters before this area for northbound vehicles to make a U-turn towards Makati. IMHO, it might have been better if the multi-million project was just a regular fly-over crossing Kalayaan where it could be used by a bigger volume of vehicles traversing C5....also,it will create a U-turn slot below the fly-over anyway.

Just wanna share my thoughts...if there is no perfect logic for the design, then it's sad to see taxpayers money used ineffeciently and maybe somebody should stop it. I sincerly hope that I'm wrong...for my peace of mind.

[kiper]

same thoughts with bmwboxxercup.. minsan talaga may sablay din si bayani..

C-5 Kalayaan is better off with the same system that EDSA-Quezon Ave. is using.

Fly-over interchange for Kalayaan and Underpass for C-5 or vise versa.

[meledson]

Nasa "prototyping stage" pa lang ng experiment. Kung makatulong (sana nga) magsusulputa ng parang kabute.

Ang logic kasi daw ay nag work sa ibang bansa. So dapat din daw ay mag work dito sa atin. (sana nga)

Now habang ginagawa, laking pahirap sa akin .

[hungryalien]

ya, likewise, i would think a simple flyover across kalayaan would do better. since i think there are much more volume of cars going c5 (south-north-south) than the c5 making an u-turn.

pass by there last night.. grabe ang traffic caused by the construction. it was even worse in the morning, we had to turn back to edsa..

[aku]

the concept seemed workable nung umpisa, pero parang medyo malabo nga. tapos outside lane pa siya, so baka maging pick-up/drop-off ng mga jeep (like the C5-Katipunan flyover)

[shadow]

whether it will work or not, wala naman tayong magagawa since naumpisahan na yan, and have BF ever reconsidered his plans? never! kahit palapk pa yan impossibleng bawiin niya yan, papangatawanan na niya yan, just like the fences and the concrete lane separators along EDSA...

and siyempre the more project na nagagawa, more money....

[Radical!]

Will it help? Marginally, yes. Though they should have just pushed thru with the DPWH's original plan. They spent billions constructing the whole of C5, billions (on Japanese loan grants) on the Ortigas-C5 flyover, then they scrimp on this. Sayang.

same thoughts with bmwboxxercup.. minsan talaga may sablay din si bayani..

C-5 Kalayaan is better off with the same system that EDSA-Quezon Ave. is using.

Fly-over interchange for Kalayaan and Underpass for C-5 or vise versa.

I understand that this was DPWH's original plan. The implementation was delayed year after year due to right of way problems and the bureaucracy. Fernando came in with a much 'cheaper' alternative and GMA gave the nod.

[4wrider]

Delayed infrastructure projects are direct consequences of excessive investigative work by legislative bodies and by government executives both local and national dipping their dirty fingers in other people's money.

BF is just doing something outside the box because the bureaucratic box has become a snakepit.

[ringostarr]

kung ako si BF tatanggalin ko lang franchise ng jeepney solb na yan di na kelangan ng u-turn

[ale828]

Will it help? Marginally, yes. Though they should have just pushed thru with the DPWH's original plan. They spent billions constructing the whole of C5, billions (on Japanese loan grants) on the Ortigas-C5 flyover, then they scrimp on this. Sayang.


I understand that this was DPWH's original plan. The implementation was delayed year after year due to right of way problems and the bureaucracy. Fernando came in with a much 'cheaper' alternative and GMA gave the nod.

This is true. Several years ago pa dapat nag start yung proposed DPWH flyover in C-5 kalayaan but rumor has it BF was Blocking its implementation. BF instead proposed this elevated U-turn which supposedly costs less than a full flyover but implemented by the MMDA instead of the DPWH. So you know who gets what.
This U-turn would work if the PUV, buses and jeepneys don't block the entrance or exit ramps of the U-turn. But as you know those undisciplined drivers will always do this making the elevated U-turn less likely to succeed.
The middle island of the C-5 kalayann intersection is being removed so that the C-5 in itself will be wider when completed.

[ronw123w124]

I think common sense lang naman ang kailangan dito which sadly MR. MMDA doesn't have, common sense dictates that what we need is a flyover in the C5/Kalayaan area and not some stupid elevated u-turn ramp. Kung hindi lang hinarang ni BF yan noon eh di sana tapos na ang kalbaryo nating mga motorista.

[batangmahal]

Dapat talaga dun, flyover na lang. Long-term solution, rather than an elevated u-turn slot. Waste of time and money. Furthermore, we need also to discipline our fellow drivers, especially those in the public transpo category.

[ringostarr]

This is true. Several years ago pa dapat nag start yung proposed DPWH flyover in C-5 kalayaan but rumor has it BF was Blocking its implementation. BF instead proposed this elevated U-turn which supposedly costs less than a full flyover but implemented by the MMDA instead of the DPWH. So you know who gets what.
This U-turn would work if the PUV, buses and jeepneys don't block the entrance or exit ramps of the U-turn. But as you know those undisciplined drivers will always do this making the elevated U-turn less likely to succeed.
The middle island of the C-5 kalayann intersection is being removed so that the C-5 in itself will be wider when completed.

nope. it was Binay who was opposing the idea not bec. he did not want a flyover. he contested over who has jurisdiction of the intersection, Taguig, Makati, Pasig or MMDA. kaya mga 2-3 years ago, may mga MAPSA pa as far that area

kaya dahil dun hindi malagyan-lagyan ng flyover yan. now that Binay has been weakened sa sunod-sunod na banat ng Administration, nakakilos na sila BF and GMA, sa wakas nakakilos din

[nemo]

I agree with the threadstarter. How many people actually use those U-turn slots on C5 in that area? Why make a U-turn there when you can just go under the bridge before Kalayaan?

A flyover that goes directly over Kalayaan would've been much more effecient. If not, then just allow people to turn left/right at the intersection. In other words, fix the stoplights! Make sure the synchronization and timing are correct to allow good traffic flow.

[chuaed]

Elevated U-turn at C-5/Kalayaan: will it help?

No it won't!!!


imagine niyo nalang, week day, summer sem break ang school walang pasok ang mga estudyante... dumaan ka sa C5 - Libis anytime, makikita niyo ang traffic umaabot mula kalayaan C5 hanggan St. Ignacius Village... Bwesit...

ARAW ARAW NALANG GANYAN...

sobrang STUPIDO ang nag pakana niyan bwesit na U-Turn sa C5, at sa lahat ng U-Turn na nakakalat sa Metro Manila...

sa LAGAY na iyan eh MAGKANO KAYA ang COMMISSION MO???

siyanga pala wala pa 2010, pumoporma na, feeling METRO GWAPO KUNO... MAGKANO NGA BA ULIT ANG COMMISSION NIYO SA PAG PAGAWA NG TARPULINE???



eto para sa iyo,
gusto mo pa? eto ulit, ang PS at KS mo sobra...

Labas lang ng galit/rant, araw araw kasi dumadaan dito sa C5-Libis... tsk tsk...

[pedz]

masyadong marami na ang mga sasakyan para sa daan dito sa metro.. kung sana napigil ng konti ang bentahan ng sasakyan mas makakaluwag tayo.. kahit may flyover pa yan, pagdating sa baba bottleneck pa rin..

[CVT]

If this one doesn't work,- they should not start another one. Sayang lang ang pera at pahirap sa mga motorista ngayon.... Iwas kami ngayon ng C5,- EDSA na lang ulit...

5707:tumbleweed:

[ronw123w124]

No it won't!!!


imagine niyo nalang, week day, summer sem break ang school walang pasok ang mga estudyante... dumaan ka sa C5 - Libis anytime, makikita niyo ang traffic umaabot mula kalayaan C5 hanggan St. Ignacius Village... Bwesit...

ARAW ARAW NALANG GANYAN...

sobrang STUPIDO ang nag pakana niyan bwesit na U-Turn sa C5, at sa lahat ng U-Turn na nakakalat sa Metro Manila...

sa LAGAY na iyan eh MAGKANO KAYA ang COMMISSION MO???

siyanga pala wala pa 2010, pumoporma na, feeling METRO GWAPO KUNO... MAGKANO NGA BA ULIT ANG COMMISSION NIYO SA PAG PAGAWA NG TARPULINE???



eto para sa iyo,
gusto mo pa? eto ulit, ang PS at KS mo sobra...

Labas lang ng galit/rant, araw araw kasi dumadaan dito sa C5-Libis... tsk tsk...

Baka naman BF construction co. ang gagawa nyan, eh di additional kickback nanaman yan kay Mr. MMDA chairman

[ringostarr]

a flyover will take 1-2 years to construct

yun kay BF hanggang July lang started Feb this year

if they succeed in this, hindi lang national budget ang natipid nila, pati time and of course, meron na sila working prototype for other bottlenecks to follow

so I think they are really thinking as well as risking.

I have to say magaling na efficiency manager and strategist si BF if he pulls this off

[impulzz]

passed by there this morning, bottle neck na nga dahil may on going construction etong mga jeep titigil pa tapos di pa itabi ng maayos labas pa din yung likod ng jeep so the 2 lanes becomes 1.... so solution talaga sa metro traffic... PUJ and PUB. kung sumunod lang sila sa lane markers mas bibilis at aayos takbo ng trafic.