tsikot lawyers help: police checkpoints

[Stuckinstock]

one of our guys from davao was stopped at a checkpoint and was ordered to open the hood. they checked the engine number against the one in the CR.

legal ba na pa-open ang hood ng kotse pag hinarang ka sa isang police checkpoint?

[ILuvDetailing]

AFAIK, the police should have a search warrant for that. Ang alam ko visual check up lang pwede. Lets wait for our fellow tsikoteer's reply.

[baiskee]

nope. kung ano lang nakikita nila without opening any part of the car unless may search warrant sila.

ingat kay osa ganayan...MO nila pag open mo ng trunk sabay sisimplehan nilang ihahagis sa loob yung drugs or any thing na pwede ka hulihin.

[wilcats]

hmmm... ang alam ko sa poligov class namin nun na pwede lng nila tingnan ung mararating ng eyes nila. It's called the Plane View Doctrine. They cant even ask you to open ur compartment.If they do that, may laban kna sa kanila...

[wilcats]

bsta mga tsikoteers, pag pnagawa sainyo un, wag kyo papayag. tell them that theyre violating the plane view doctrine!!

[theveed]

TMG ata pwede... not sure.

[the_wildthing]

Di ba "plain view"?

May dalawang thread sa baba about checkpoint guidelines tsaka text 2920 for checkpoint abuses.

Don't know if they're still current.

[wilcats]

Plane pagkakaalam ko eh... un sabi ng prof ko eh.. plane view- flat/level surface view..
correct me if m wrong

[yomar]

nope hindi pwede. They are limited to visual inspections. They can only ask you to open the trunk/hood or whatever if they find a reasonable cause to do so. Example, while conducting an ocular inspection, they find a tip of a rifle sa passenger seat. In that case, there will be a reasonable cause. Pwede ka na nila pilitin buksan ang car mo.

If ever they find evidence against you by forcing you to open the hood when there is no reasonable cause, then such evidence is not admissible in court for being a "fruit of a poisonous tree." This is your constitutional right against self-incrimination.

Pero of course, this would not apply kung sa mga malls. Kasi the bill of rights only applies between you and the State (such as the police in this case)

Wilcats: poligov? sa lasalle ka ba? sino prof mo? baka classmates pa tayo hehehe. By the way it's plain view doctrine. And it applies to searches without warrants or even if with a warrant but not included in the same. Pwede nila gawing evidence if while searching, they find something not related to the warrant but within their "plain view"

[the_wildthing]

Di ko rin alam eh... pero mas maraming relevant results sa google ang plain view doctrine kesa plane view doctrine.

[yomar]

plain view po talaga

[wilcats]

nope hindi pwede. They are limited to visual inspections. They can only ask you to open the trunk/hood or whatever if they find a reasonable cause to do so. Example, while conducting an ocular inspection, they find a tip of a rifle sa passenger seat. In that case, there will be a reasonable cause. Pwede ka na nila pilitin buksan ang car mo.

If ever they find evidence against you by forcing you to open the hood when there is no reasonable cause, then such evidence is not admissible in court for being a "fruit of a poisonous tree." This is your constitutional right against self-incrimination.

Pero of course, this would not apply kung sa mga malls. Kasi the bill of rights only applies between you and the State (such as the police in this case)

Wilcats: poligov? sa lasalle ka ba? sino prof mo? baka classmates pa tayo hehehe. By the way it's plain view doctrine. And it applies to searches without warrants or even if with a warrant but not included in the same. Pwede nila gawing evidence if while searching, they find something not related to the warrant but within their "plain view"

ahehehe plain pala . si Lemuel prof ko. forgot his surname, gsto nya kc first name twag skanya. it looks to me that you studied ur poligov well

[the_wildthing]

Sorry. Didn't see your post in time...

Marami na ring schools that use the 7 character course name...

Ooops, sorry OT.

Back to topic.

[wilcats]

a;am ko yang ang-na ang-na nayan ah!
su-la pu-kan
sumas kitot
moko moko!! hahaha!

[yomar]

ahehehe plain pala . si Lemuel prof ko. forgot his surname, gsto nya kc first name twag skanya. it looks to me that you studied ur poligov well

hindi nga ako nag-aral ng poligov eh. baguhan yung prof namin.. si castro.. so di siya nangbagsak hehehe.. law review na ako heheh.. pagdasal niyo ako fellow tsikoteers ha?

[yomar]

wilcats: MISMO KA BRAD!! :D

[mantoy]

so how do we tell the policeman doing the inspection that he can not order us into opening our car's hood/trunk without any search warrrant in a way that will not insult him?

[wilcats]

"bossing! according to the bill of rights, meron po tayong plain view doctrine. sorry po pero hindi po pwede ung gnagawa ninyo sir, labag po sa rights ko" pwede na ba ganyan?? ahehehe!! make sure that you say it in a nice and humble way.

[ILuvDetailing]

If all else fails... "Isumbong mo kay Tulfo!"

[Stuckinstock]

kaya ako, pag may checkpoint, patay headlights, bukas dome light. just so they know na alam ko kung pano maghandle ng checkpoints.