Our 4WD was hit by a motorcycle

[sopetite]

We were riding our fortuner last Tuesday, april 20, 2010 coming from central avenue, and was about to enter technohub in ayala land quezon city when a motorcycle hit our right side. We made a full stop before taking a speed of 10-20kph, whereas and the motorcycle admitted he was going 60kph. He flew all the way to the curb from the 4th lane of the road. He flipped around 6 times, due to the strength of the impact.
Now our case is just under preliminary investigation. We were in the police station for 10hrs, waiting for the complainant or his representative to arrive. We do not have a copy of the other party's complaint yet.

Our party was very much willing to pay for their medical bills, but they claim moral damages (their wages for the next weeks and pay for the trauma that they received) and support for the motor, which is absurd even to the police officer who was handling our case. According to the police, the fact that the motor hit us on the right (entrance to techno hub) at a speed of 60 kph when we were already going slow was 10-20kph is something to look at, more so that the motor already has 2010 registration but no plate.

The incident has no witnesses or actual pictures, except for the security guard of techno hub which saw us already in the 4th lane and already on a stop where we hit the motorcycle. He claims that he did not see the actual incident happen, but only saw us slowly approaching.

Do you guys think that we should just pay off these people?

The driver has a lot more to lose because he is in military aviation, but at the same time we do not want to release the amount of money the other party is asking for since the damage to our ride was also big (the right fender and bumper were damaged severely)

[nightingale]

hay naku kaya ayaw ko magdrive, nakaka-inis mga motorcycle drivers na yan. Sulpot ng sulpot, singit ng singit kahit alanganin, pag nabangga sila kahit kasalanan nila, sila pa ang galit. Kaya pag may nakita akong motorcyclist na naka-bulagta sa kalsada (like the other day, may nakabulagta sa intersection ng ayala at buendia), nasasabi ko, "buti nga sa inyo, ang sakit, ano?"

*sopetite- im sorry about what happened to you. eh kung motorcycle ang bumangga sa inyo, eh di kasalanan ng motorcycle yun. Let the motorcycle pay for the consequences of his recklessness. And let him pay for the damages caused to your car.

May preliminary invertigation na? Ibig sabihin, nagsampa ng reklamo ang motorcycle vs. you. Palagay ko, reckless imprudence resulting in physical injuries? Bakit magbabayad ka kaagad kung hindi mo kasalanan? Since prel investigation pa lang naman yan, wala pa sa husgado yan. the fiscal will have to determine first if the case is worth filing in court. If the fiscal finds na wala kang kasalanan, i-di-dissmiss nya lang complaint vs. you, eh di tapos na, go home free ka na. Kung worse case scenario naman at mag decision si fiscal to file a case, eh di tsaka ka mag-settle. Tsaka mo bayaran na lang, tapos na ulit, mageexecute lang ng affidavit of desistance yung nakamotor.

If I were you, magsampa ka rin ng reklamo vs. the motorcycle - reckless imprudence resulting in damage to property (ang laki kaya ng sira ng sasakyan mo!). During your preliminary investigation, patunayan mo na kasalanan ni motorsiklo - that will neutralize the 1st complaint. That will also give you a bargaining leverage - to lower the amount na babayad mo sa motorsiklo if ever gusto mo i-settle na lang o aregluhin na lang.

Remember, ang batas natin ay hindi unfair and unjust. Hindu porket tao na nakamotor ang nasaktan ay automatically kasalanan agad ng naka-kotse. Sa batas natin, ke tao ka o sasakyan, kung sino ang may kasalanan, siya ang mananagot.

Hay, good luck.

[jubs00]

paying off would give you more problems. Parang iniipit ka na nyan. Just finish the preliminary investigation first then decide on the best course of action. Di lang naman siya ang may damage diba? At siya yung bumangga sayo. IMO siguro maganda kung ma-check nyo din if registered nga yung motor at may drivers license yung may dala para in-case ng mag decide kayo na mag file ng complaint then may konting leverage na kayo.

Dont give them too much slack at aabusihin nila yan. Good luck din.

[sopetite]

paying off would give you more problems. Parang iniipit ka na nyan. Just finish the preliminary investigation first then decide on the best course of action. Di lang naman siya ang may damage diba? At siya yung bumangga sayo. IMO siguro maganda kung ma-check nyo din if registered nga yung motor at may drivers license yung may dala para in-case ng mag decide kayo na mag file ng complaint then may konting leverage na kayo.

Dont give them too much slack at aabusihin nila yan. Good luck din.

Registered yung motor at meron siyang driver's license, although he doesnt have a plate. The guy first claimed he's PSG, but later on he admitted makati worker siya.

The dad of the guy claims he's from camp crame, and was bullying us since nahalata niya na may kaya kami since nakita niya na foreigner yung driver. His son's at his 30s na, whereas kami that time were alone!

[digitalron]

Registered yung motor at meron siyang driver's license, although he doesnt have a plate. The guy first claimed he's PSG, but later on he admitted makati worker siya.

The dad of the guy claims he's from camp crame, and was bullying us since nahalata niya na may kaya kami since nakita niya na foreigner yung driver. His son's at his 30s na, whereas kami that time were alone!

Talk is cheap. The fact that he lied claiming he is a PSG member already shows how much of a miscreant he is. And the dad claiming he is from Crame. So what? What occurred was an accident, not a crime... photographs of the point of impact can most probably show that it was the vehicle that got hit by the MC , NOT the vehicle sideswiping the MC -- i.e., large, deep, inward dent rather than an elongated scratch.

*sopetite : my good friend (since college) is a lawyer and I can give you his contact number if you're interested. Just PM me

BTW, something must be done about these reckless MCs. Just yesterday, I almost ran over an MC while attempting to turn left from JP Rizal going into Rockwell (coming from EDSA). I already had my signal light flashing far from the turning point and was sure the left side was clear (though I could hear the puttering of an MC engine). Just as I turned left, I heard the puttering turn to a loud roar and an MC appeared out of nowhere and overtook me... on the left! I braked hard and I missed him by inches, literally! I'm normally a cool dude but at that instant, I felt all of my insides wanted to lurch out of me (sorry about that). I mean, he could have overtaken me on the right side, but why did he have to overtake on the side I'm turning to?

[sopetite]

Talk is cheap. The fact that he lied claiming he is a PSG member already shows how much of a miscreant he is. And the dad claiming he is from Crame. So what? What occurred was an accident, not a crime... photographs of the point of impact can most probably show that it was the vehicle that got hit by the MC , NOT the vehicle sideswiping the MC -- i.e., large, deep, inward dent rather than an elongated scratch.

The dent IS deep! How did you know that? Naka side na kami, the angle was probably 15 degrees, when the motorcycle came in. Natanggal yung bumper namin sa right and the fender was totally damaged (hindi pa side yung tama ng fender, naka indent siya na almost even angle). Natanggal yung signal light namin na right, kasi nga nasa right namin siya tumama.

Hindi ko ba pwede ma release yung pictures dito sa forum para makita niyo yung tama?

*sopetite : my good friend (since college) is a lawyer and I can give you his contact number if you're interested. Just PM me

Thanks i'll send you an email.

BTW, something must be done about these reckless MCs. Just yesterday, I almost ran over an MC while attempting to turn left from JP Rizal going into Rockwell (coming from EDSA). I already had my signal light flashing far from the turning point and was sure the left side was clear (though I could hear the puttering of an MC engine). Just as I turned left, I heard the puttering turn to a loud roar and an MC appeared out of nowhere and overtook me... on the left! I braked hard and I missed him by inches, literally! I'm normally a cool dude but at that instant, I felt all of my insides wanted to lurch out of me (sorry about that). I mean, he could have overtaken me on the right side, but why did he have to overtake on the side I'm turning to?

Yun nga din ang tanong namin, why did he come from our right eh pasukan yun ng mall? Nanggaling daw siya sa third lane, which is absurd! Kung galing siya sa third lane bakit tumilapon siya sa curb? diba dapat hindi siya sa curb mapupunta?.

May pics yung technohub police which we can get from them. Kukunin ko the pics today.

[sopetite]

hay naku kaya ayaw ko magdrive, nakaka-inis mga motorcycle drivers na yan. Sulpot ng sulpot, singit ng singit kahit alanganin, pag nabangga sila kahit kasalanan nila, sila pa ang galit. Kaya pag may nakita akong motorcyclist na naka-bulagta sa kalsada (like the other day, may nakabulagta sa intersection ng ayala at buendia), nasasabi ko, "buti nga sa inyo, ang sakit, ano?"

Hay nako ang laki talaga ng perwisyo na dinudulot nila. Ang sabi nung naka motor bigla daw kami tumigil at nag right, AT wala daw kaming signal!

*sopetite- im sorry about what happened to you. eh kung motorcycle ang bumangga sa inyo, eh di kasalanan ng motorcycle yun. Let the motorcycle pay for the consequences of his recklessness. And let him pay for the damages caused to your car.

Yun nga ang problem. The motorcycle claims na kami daw talaga ang may kasalanan kasi sila daw ang nasugatan. Eh malamang diba masusugatan talaga yung rider talaga dahil naka 60kph siya.

May preliminary invertigation na? Ibig sabihin, nagsampa ng reklamo ang motorcycle vs. you. Palagay ko, reckless imprudence resulting in physical injuries?

oo malamang nga yun ang sinampa nila. pero hindi pa namin natitignan dahil wala pa ngang police report eh, ang pagkaalam ko.

Bakit magbabayad ka kaagad kung hindi mo kasalanan? Since prel investigation pa lang naman yan, wala pa sa husgado yan. the fiscal will have to determine first if the case is worth filing in court. If the fiscal finds na wala kang kasalanan, i-di-dissmiss nya lang complaint vs. you, eh di tapos na, go home free ka na.

Yun nga din ang sabi ng pulis, at ang sabi niya POI daw ay makikita na mabilis talaga yung motor. Hindi siguro namin siya nakita dahil sumingit siya nung paright na kami, at nasa entrance na kami halos ng technohub (kung familiar kayo sa lugar, nabunggo kami with the motorcycle almost right beside the jeep loading area sa technohub). Nung tumilapon yung tao ay madaming nagsigawan na pedestrian dahill muntikan sila tamaan nung lalaki sa sobrang lapit.

Kung worse case scenario naman at mag decision si fiscal to file a case, eh di tsaka ka mag-settle. Tsaka mo bayaran na lang, tapos na ulit, mageexecute lang ng affidavit of desistance yung nakamotor.

Hindi ko nga alam kung saan mag fifile ng case, since hindi kami talaga familiar sa justice system dito, lalo na't american yung nag dadrive.

If I were you, magsampa ka rin ng reklamo vs. the motorcycle - reckless imprudence resulting in damage to property (ang laki kaya ng sira ng sasakyan mo!). During your preliminary investigation, patunayan mo na kasalanan ni motorsiklo - that will neutralize the 1st complaint. That will also give you a bargaining leverage - to lower the amount na babayad mo sa motorsiklo if ever gusto mo i-settle na lang o aregluhin na lang.

Ang nakakainis kasi ay sinamahan ko na nga yung nakamotor sa hospital. he claims na magkatabing magkatabi daw kami nung nabangga siya. eh paano kami magiging magkatabi eh naka 60kph siya eh kami nakapag fullstop pa?

Remember, ang batas natin ay hindi unfair and unjust. Hindu porket tao na nakamotor ang nasaktan ay automatically kasalanan agad ng naka-kotse. Sa batas natin, ke tao ka o sasakyan, kung sino ang may kasalanan, siya ang mananagot.

Parang namemera talaga dahil gusto nilang pati sweldo daw ng asawa niya ay bayaran namin. HINDI KASAMA YUNG ASAWA NIYA SA ACCIDENT.

[nightingale]

Yun nga ang problem. The motorcycle claims na kami daw talaga ang may kasalanan kasi sila daw ang nasugatan. Eh malamang diba masusugatan talaga yung rider talaga dahil naka 60kph siya.

Siyempre sila masusugatan, eh motor yun eh, exposed sila. but it doesn't mean hindi nila kasalanan.

oo malamang nga yun ang sinampa nila. pero hindi pa namin natitignan dahil wala pa ngang police report eh, ang pagkaalam ko.

Kung prel investigation na yan sa fiscal, meron nang police report yan, nagpagawa sila nang hindi mo alam. Pede ka humingi ng kopya sa police na umasikaso sa insidente. Tingnan mo ano nakalagay dun: kung sino may kasalanan. Ilalagay yung sa police report. Pag motorcycle ang indicated may fault ng police, ask mo si police how to file a criminal case, tuturuan ka ni mamang police - ganito yun, punta ka sa fiskalya sa Hall of Justice sa City Hall, etc. etc.

Yun nga din ang sabi ng pulis, at ang sabi niya POI daw ay makikita na mabilis talaga yung motor.

Yun naman pala eh. Eh di dapat ikaw ang magdemanda at hindi si motorcycle. mananalo ka sa kasong yan malamang.

Hindi ko nga alam kung saan mag fifile ng case, since hindi kami talaga familiar sa justice system dito, lalo na't american yung nag dadrive.

Sa fiscal's office sa Hall of Justice, located at the City Hall of the place where the accident occurred.

Ang nakakainis kasi ay sinamahan ko na nga yung nakamotor sa hospital. he claims na magkatabing magkatabi daw kami nung nabangga siya. eh paano kami magiging magkatabi eh naka 60kph siya eh kami nakapag fullstop pa?

siyempre turuan na yan. kahit naman ako yung motorcyclist, hindi ako aamin na kasalanan ko. Pag umamin ako, eh di ang laki ng babayaran ko sa medical expenses, papagawa ko pa sasakyan mo. Samantalang pag pinilit ko na ikaw ang may kasalanan, pag nakalusot, eh di papagamot mo ako ng libre, bayayaran mo damage sa motor ko, pwede pa kitang hingian ng additional money. Eh di pinagkakitaan pa kita, ayos!

Parang namemera talaga dahil gusto nilang pati sweldo daw ng asawa niya ay bayaran namin. HINDI KASAMA YUNG ASAWA NIYA SA ACCIDENT.

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Bcause dear, you are now a money-making source. That is why i am advising you: #1 wag mo muna bayaran, wait for the fiscal to resolve the preliminary investigation. #1 file criminal case against the motorcyclist to neutralize his accusation na kasalanan nyo, at para magkaroon ka ng bargaining advantage, at mapababa mo monetary demand nya, if not altogether avoid it.

[nightingale]

share ko lang ito sa iyo, this is an actual case decided by the supreme court. Hindi parehong pareho ang nangyari, but similar to yours. Actually, namatay ang motorcyclist dito, but the court said, kasalanan ng nagmomotor. kaya walang binayaran yung truck.

Reynera vs. Hiceta (G.R. No. 120027. April 21, 1999).

“May isang motor na mabilis ang takbo at nasa unahan niya ang isang truck na may kargang metal sheets na lumampas sa cargo bay at may dalawang ilaw sa gilid ng metal sheets.

Madilim ang daan. Dahil sa walang stop light ang truck at mabilis ang takbo ng motor, bumangga ang motor sa likod ng truck at boom!
Naging manananggal ang drayber.”

So sino ang may kasalanan? Ang truck na walang stop light o ang motor na mabilis ang takbo?

Ayon sa Korte Suprema kahit na napatunayan na may traffic violation ang truck dahil wala siyang tail lights, lumalabas na ang motorsiklo sa likod ng truck ang may pagkukulang.


Kahit walang tail lights ang truck, ay malinaw naman ang paligid at kita pa rin na parating ito sa layong 100 metro. Mabagal din ang kanyang takbo. Bukod dito, may 2 piraso ng ilaw sa karga nitong steel plates kaya kita ng nasa likod kung aabutin sila nito o hindi.


Bilang nasa likod, ang nagmamaneho ng motorsiklo ang may control upang iwasan ang aksidente. Kita naman niya ang nasa harap dahil meron naman siyang malinaw na headlight. Pwede siyang lumusot at hindi tumutok sa likod ng truck.


“It has been said that drivers of vehicles ‘who bump the rear of another vehicle’ are presumed to be ‘the cause of the accident, unless contradicted by other evidence’”.

Ang proximate cause ng pagkaaksidente ng motor ay hindi dahil walang tail lights ang truck, kundi dahil mabilis ang takbo ng motor at hindi niya natantsa ang tamang breaking distance, kaya yun kabit!

the above was posted in a lawyer's blog,
http://panyero.net/doctrine-of-last-...batas-trapiko/

[aejhayl17]

kung sa tingin mo, wala kang kasalanan. at kaya mo ipaglaban, ipaglaban mo.

[sopetite]

kung sa tingin mo, wala kang kasalanan. at kaya mo ipaglaban, ipaglaban mo.

Kaya naman talaga, pero ang problema nga yung driver na foreigner was scheduled to leave next week. Pero sobrang laki talaga ng hinihingi nung motor.

Ayaw namin sana na makipaglaban by "pulling strings", since pero ayaw din namin mag settle or mag ka record yung friend ko.

Now I'm finding a way if I can handle the case when my friend returns to his home after we gather all the things we need from him.

[aejhayl17]

Kaya naman talaga, pero ang problema nga yung driver na foreigner was scheduled to leave next week. Pero sobrang laki talaga ng hinihingi nung motor.

Ayaw namin sana na makipaglaban by "pulling strings", since pero ayaw din namin mag settle or mag ka record yung friend ko.

Now I'm finding a way if I can handle the case when my friend returns to his home after we gather all the things we need from him.

you dont have to pull strings. just be very legally competitive.

+1 sa pagsasampa ng kaso vs the motorcycle.

appeal to the higher court. tignan naten kung hindi pa matahimik yan mga yan

[sopetite]

Siyempre sila masusugatan, eh motor yun eh, exposed sila. but it doesn't mean hindi nila kasalanan.

Yun nga di ba? Wala namang other way para ma distribute yung impact ng collision sa motor except itapon yung driver. Pero ang point nila, dahil nagka sugat sila at sumirko ng ilang beses, parang dapat we need to support them for a few weeks/months.

Kung prel investigation na yan sa fiscal, meron nang police report yan, nagpagawa sila nang hindi mo alam. Pede ka humingi ng kopya sa police na umasikaso sa insidente. Tingnan mo ano nakalagay dun: kung sino may kasalanan. Ilalagay yung sa police report. Pag motorcycle ang indicated may fault ng police, ask mo si police how to file a criminal case, tuturuan ka ni mamang police - ganito yun, punta ka sa fiskalya sa Hall of Justice sa City Hall, etc. etc.

Kami po ang nagpagawa ng police report. Yung pulis ang nag advise samin namin to file a case, since for all the years she's been a sergeant wala daw motor na mananalo sa ganung claims, except for medical bills, which we offered right off the bat.




Yun naman pala eh. Eh di dapat ikaw ang magdemanda at hindi si motorcycle. mananalo ka sa kasong yan malamang.

Sa fiscal's office sa Hall of Justice, located at the City Hall of the place where the accident occurred.

I see. So we just need to get the police report which isn't done yet.

siyempre turuan na yan. kahit naman ako yung motorcyclist, hindi ako aamin na kasalanan ko. Pag umamin ako, eh di ang laki ng babayaran ko sa medical expenses, papagawa ko pa sasakyan mo. Samantalang pag pinilit ko na ikaw ang may kasalanan, pag nakalusot, eh di papagamot mo ako ng libre, bayayaran mo damage sa motor ko, pwede pa kitang hingian ng additional money. Eh di pinagkakitaan pa kita, ayos!

Alam mo yung nga ang hindi ko maintindihan. Hindi namin sinubukan magturo. Or ipagawa sa kanila yung kotse namin. Ang gusto lang namin maayos, pero sila pera ang hinihingi sa amin (roughly $2k).

Bcause dear, you are now a money-making source. That is why i am advising you: #1 wag mo muna bayaran, wait for the fiscal to resolve the preliminary investigation. #1 file criminal case against the motorcyclist to neutralize his accusation na kasalanan nyo, at para magkaroon ka ng bargaining advantage, at mapababa mo monetary demand nya, if not altogether avoid it.

Thanks. Once the police woman who handled the case returns on saturday, babalikan namin.

share ko lang ito sa iyo, this is an actual case decided by the supreme court. Hindi parehong pareho ang nangyari, but similar to yours. Actually, namatay ang motorcyclist dito, but the court said, kasalanan ng nagmomotor. kaya walang binayaran yung truck.

the above was posted in a lawyer's blog,
http://panyero.net/doctrine-of-last-...batas-trapiko/

Thank you! That post really enlightened me. Atleast napapairal pala ang justice system here kahit papaano.

you dont have to pull strings. just be very legally competitive.

+1 sa pagsasampa ng kaso vs the motorcycle.

appeal to the higher court. tignan naten kung hindi pa matahimik yan mga yan

Sana lang hindi magka problem in terms of security clearance yung friend ko. Pag fiscal ba nagrerelease ng hold departure order?

[nightingale]

Kaya naman talaga, pero ang problema nga yung driver na foreigner was scheduled to leave next week. Pero sobrang laki talaga ng hinihingi nung motor.
Ayaw namin sana na makipaglaban by "pulling strings", since pero ayaw din namin mag settle or mag ka record yung friend ko.
Now I'm finding a way if I can handle the case when my friend returns to his home after we gather all the things we need from him.

Ayaw mo magkarecord? But you haven't checked the complaint vs. you. malamang, its a criminal case filed by the motorcycle vs. your foreigner friend and the rest of his passengers including you. may record na siya whether you like it or not. Ang masama nito, sa complaint ni motorcycle, kayo may kasalanan, and mind you - this is a criminal case.

If i were you, kayo ni foreigner friend, punta kayo sa police na umasikaso sa accident. Hingi kayo police report. Punta kayo sa fiscal, magfile kayong dalawa ng criminal complaint vs. motorcycle driver. May form sa fiscal's office, pati yata affidavit ni foreigner friend. para kahit mag out of the country na siya, tatakbo case vs. motorcycle.

The easier way: consult a lawyer.

[jubs00]

"The guy first claimed he's PSG, but later on he admitted makati worker siya." WTF

The dad of the guy claims he's from camp crame, and was bullying us since nahalata niya na may kaya kami since nakita niya na foreigner yung driver. His son's at his 30s na, whereas kami that time were alone! "

Parang abuse of authority na yung lumalabas dito. Eh ano kung taga camp crame? baka janitor lang yun dun. Ganyan talaga, gugulatin ka sa una. Pag bumigay kaagad, talo ka.

[nightingale]

"Eh ano kung taga camp crame? baka janitor lang yun dun.

hahahaha, :cheers2:

kung ako yan, :starwars:

[nightingale]

Pag fiscal ba nagrerelease ng hold departure order?

Hindi. It is the department of Immigration. But before one can get a hold departure order against a foreigner #1. kailangan may criminal case na sa court vs. the foreigner, #2 kailanang magfile ng motion sa court for issuance of hold departure order, #3 may hearing pa yan where the foreigner can defend himself against the application for hold departure order. If he can show th ejudge that he is not planning to flee justice, made-deny din yang HDO na yan, #4. Bigay man ni judge HDO, ipapa-serve pa yan se Department of Immigration.

In other words, hindi yan instant, na paggissing mo sa umaga biglang, bulaga! may hold departure order ka na.

Our criminal justice system is not that blind to the call of the oppressed. naks!