Binibigay nyo nalang ba yung License nyo?

[enterbay]

I was in a heated argument with an SG today dahil gusto ipaiwan ang License ko sa kanya. Visitor ako sa Village na yun at nakasanayan ko na iwan ang PRC or passport ko kapag pumapasok sa mga subdivisions na binibisita ko.

I ended up waiting outside the village Dahil ayaw tanggapin ang ID ko. Ayaw ko ibigay lang ang License ko dahil paano nalang kung makaaksidente ako sa loob ng Subdivision nila? ako makakasuhan dahil I'm driving without a licence unless bigyan nila ako ng kasulatan na sila ang liable kung may mangyaring masama habang nagmamaneho ako sa vicinity nila.

Maling patakaran na ba ito ng mga Village na sa sobrang tagal nang ginagawa ay naging tama na? Your thoughts please.

[go-to-guy]

Sa mga villages na pinupuntahan ko without a village sticker, talaga naman license iniiwan ko ever since. Havent provided an ID ever kapag village.

[_Cathy_]

Yes.

I don't wanna hold up the traffic if I argue with security so I just leave my DL when I am asked to do so. To avoid hassle, ask your friend or relative to call ahead and leave your name with the security so you don't have to leave your DL when you arrive.

I'm just curious, why do you have your passport with you all the time? That is something I will NEVER leave with a stranger.

[jakewise]

The way I understand it, when you enter any private subdivision, you are required to follow their rules and regulations or they can refuse your entry. These regulations are also approved by the Homeowner's Association of the village

[Stigg ma]

I was in a heated argument with an SG today dahil gusto ipaiwan ang License ko sa kanya. Visitor ako sa Village na yun at nakasanayan ko na iwan ang PRC or passport ko kapag pumapasok sa mga subdivisions na binibisita ko.

I ended up waiting outside the village Dahil ayaw tanggapin ang ID ko. Ayaw ko ibigay lang ang License ko dahil paano nalang kung makaaksidente ako sa loob ng Subdivision nila? ako makakasuhan dahil I'm driving without a licence unless bigyan nila ako ng kasulatan na sila ang liable kung may mangyaring masama habang nagmamaneho ako sa vicinity nila.

Maling patakaran na ba ito ng mga Village na sa sobrang tagal nang ginagawa ay naging tama na? Your thoughts please.

maaksidente sa loob ng village? as a visitor dapat more careful ka dyan kase di mo alam ano meron dyan...

[robot.sonic]

Pag naka aksidente ka, e di sabihin mo na yung license ay nasa guard.

[_Cathy_]

Yup. And I always have a photocopy of my DL in the car.

[vinj]

As much as possible i try not to because we should always have our license on us when we drive and the purpose of leaving a ID or DL is for identification purposes really so any valid ID should suffice. What i usually do is to ask the guard if i may leave a valid ID instead and in most cases they do allow; sometimes i will not be given a corresponding pass and i just claim the ID again on the way out. There are probably two villages that i go to that ask i really surrender my DL.

Here's an article that can help shed some light:

From: Are security guards/traffic officers allowed to take your driver?s license? | Motoring, Business Features, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Are security guards/traffic officers allowed to take your driver’s license?
COUNTER FLOW By James Deakin (The Philippine Star) | Updated November 6, 2013 - 12:00am
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So I get this frantic call from a friend. He has been pulled over for a traffic violation in Makati and they want to take his license away from him. Several hours later, another friend calls up; he’s been caught speeding on the NLEX. He asks the exact same question. The following morning, I get a text from a friend asking what his rights are when the security guards of a village he visited accidentally gave his license to another driver.

Rinse and repeat this scene on a weekly basis, and you’ll understand why I decided to save my friends some precious cellphone load and write this article once again; this time with feeling.

Honestly, next to: “What car should I buy?” the second most asked question I get as a motoring editor is: “Can the MAPSA/MMDA/toll patrol guys/village security guards really take my license?”

The short answer here is: No. Nobody, except the issuing body, has the right to take your license away. And even then, you are entitled to your day in court first.

So why then do they get away with it? Because we let them. And it needs to stop. Now.

Because just as a lie told often enough becomes the truth, a law broken enough times becomes legal––which loosely translated is anarchy. So before it does (if it already hasn’t) I asked my favorite lawyer ever (because he is the only one that doesn’t charge me for phone-in questions) Atty. Rod Vera, to explain it to us on my weekly podcast using very small words. He was so moved by the on-air question, he even wrote an article about it.

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In his column on Manilaspeak.com, Atty Rod cites Republic Act 4136, which clearly shows us who can and cannot take your license away. “A driver’s license is a permit issued to us by the Philippine government granting us authorization to drive on roads and highways. Republic Act 4136 enacted back in 1964 created and empowered the Land Transportation Office (LTO) for the control of the operation of vehicles and licensing of drivers. Under the same law (Section 19), no person shall operate a motor vehicle without procuring a driver’s license. Likewise, all drivers MUST CARRY their license at ALL TIMES when operating a motor vehicle. Furthermore, in Section 56, driving without license a crime does make. Moreover, the LTO can only confiscate your license if you are in violation of a traffic rule (Section 29). Lastly, under Section 62, no city council can enforce a resolution or ordinance that is in conflict with the LTO law.”

It is so clear that even a committee could understand it. So let’s start with them first, shall we?

Village associations will argue that their developments are private property and they can choose who they allow in or out. True. But their perimeter walls do not grant them immunity from Republic Acts, or worse, force YOU to break the law.

“Private entities cannot choose what part of the law to enforce and not what to enforce. If village guards allow “unlicensed” adults to drive in the village, should they allow “unlicensed” minors to drive as well? And since we are in subject of selective violations, can the village association through the guards look the other way in other crimes? No village association is given any police power or legislative power. Also, village associations can only control their homeowners only through the power of a contract,” Atty. Rod goes on to explain in his column.

They will argue of course that they need to identify all visitors for our own security. Fair enough. But if that were true, then there shouldn’t be a problem with any government issued ID. Yet, no. That’s not how they roll.

Now what about the MAPSA and the tollway cops? This is where it gets tricky. Makati, as we all know, is an autonomous region, or so it would have us believe. But once again, you only need to read section 62 of RA 4136 for the answer. Or better yet, make it your ringtone: “No city council can enforce a resolution or ordinance that is in conflict with the LTO law.”

The tollway patrol has a better leg to stand on as they are deputized by the LTO, but again, how can they revoke your license without your right to a fair trial. They can say you’re speeding, and even show you the picture, but are you not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Since when has a traffic infringement been a non-bailable offense?

So the next time someone wants to take your license, ask them if they’re licensed to do so.

[dr. d]

Yup. And I always have a photocopy of my DL in the car.

and i thought i was one of the very few...!

[vvti2.0]

Kapag nahuli ka na wala kang license dahil naiwan mo, hindi yan driving without license, kapag yan ang violation na nilagay sayo, murahin mo ang enforcer.

[dr. d]

Kapag nahuli ka na wala kang license dahil naiwan mo, hindi yan driving without license, kapag yan ang violation na nilagay sayo, murahin mo ang enforcer.

but aren't the investigators in these villages the SG themselves? they know very well where the visitors' licenses are..

[Dark Lord]

Ayaw ko rin mag Iwan ng driver's license sa sekyu. Marami rami narin instances na narinig ko na naipalit o kaya eh naiwala nila ang lisensya. Imagine nyo nalang, pag abot sa yo eh lisensya ng ibang tao tapos kakamot lang sa ulo si sekyu. Hassle yan. Mga ilang araw kang driving without license hanggang sa mapalitan ang lisensya mo.

Yung accident inside the village is a risk. Pero that's something controllable or manageable kahit papano. Hindi kapantay ng ipaubaya mo sa ibang tao ang kapalaran ng lisensya mo.

I was in a heated argument with an SG today dahil gusto ipaiwan ang License ko sa kanya. Visitor ako sa Village na yun at nakasanayan ko na iwan ang PRC or passport ko kapag pumapasok sa mga subdivisions na binibisita ko.

I ended up waiting outside the village Dahil ayaw tanggapin ang ID ko. Ayaw ko ibigay lang ang License ko dahil paano nalang kung makaaksidente ako sa loob ng Subdivision nila? ako makakasuhan dahil I'm driving without a licence unless bigyan nila ako ng kasulatan na sila ang liable kung may mangyaring masama habang nagmamaneho ako sa vicinity nila.

Maling patakaran na ba ito ng mga Village na sa sobrang tagal nang ginagawa ay naging tama na? Your thoughts please.

[dct]

Wala namang problema dun. Mas hassle pa mawala ang passport. Wala naman kaso kung may aksidente. Taga dun sya sa village. Alam niya na patakaran na iwan ang DL sa guard

[marcons]

Hindi ba valid yung SSS id at voter's id?...

[jut703]

Not all village guards are picky. I always just leave my college org ID (not even remotely close to official) and I don't get flak for it - but sometimes I don't get a gate pass, and that's fine.

I've read that article before that Vinj posted, and I agree with it. Particularly striking is this - "Because just as a lie told often enough becomes the truth, a law broken enough times becomes legal––which loosely translated is anarchy." I hope that there's something we can actually do about the situation.

As much as possible, I don't wanna cause a hassle by engaging guards on something this petty since they really just follow orders, but this is a valid point that needs to be raised with homeowners' associations. Yes, a village is more secure if drivers only left their DLs instead of mere disposable SSS IDs since people would be more apprehensive of doing something without their license, but that added security is already at the expense of forcibly making someone break the law. Unless the law allows driving without license in a village, then villages shouldn't be collecting them at the front gate.


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[shadow]

Im just confused you'd rather leave your passport than your DL? Saka bakit dala-dala mo passport mo?

If you amenable leaving your passport what's all the fuss about leaving your DL?

[fpsolin]

DL lang wag passport..just i case naman na may mangyari sa loob ang mag iimbestiga namn dyan first yung guard..so lam nila na may DL ka sa main gate. Wag passport mas mahiral kapag yan ang nawala.

[foresterx]

as much as possible i leave my regular id's but pag makulit ang guard then iwan ko na license. it's a private property, until our incompetent government does something about it there's nothing we can do about it but abide by their rules.

[bloowolf]

I used to hate having to leave my DL, Pero nag sawa na ako makipag discusyon sa mga SG. On hindsight, I asked one of them what would happen if they lost my DL. Ang sagot, bibigyan ako ng report at affidavit :-(.

[ronw123w124]

Pag nasa mood ako sinasabi ko na lang nahuli ako kaya walang DL.