Land Cruiser price gouging, better to just buy a Land Rover Defender?

[Walter]

Thought exercise ... if Toyota dealers / agents keep on mistreating buyers of the LC300 and J250 ... price gouging, not following SRP, inflated insurance premiums, required to buy accessories, you get moved down the list because some VIP outranked you, etc ...

Would it be a good idea to just buy a Land Rover Defender 110? ... price is almost the same or the Defender 110 will even come out cheaper after all the add-ons the Toyota dealer requires...

Cheapest Defender 110 is 6.23M ... not sure if this is a base model or how much price would go up if you add-on features to match the LC300 ...

If you're buying a 6M+ vehicle ... you'd expect to be treated well ... same logic as to why Jay Leno would never buy a Ferrari ...

[GTcervan]

Others would choose the patrol royale despite the outgoing platform if they want something cheaper. The land rover, while being fancy as ever, has quality issues.

[Walter]

Nissan is a bankrupted company ...

[Vodka]

haven't owned a defender but they do have a reputation for being unreliable. i'm sure they not *that* bad especially if you don't keep them for a long time

that prado 250 seems like a glorified fortuner w/ torsen center diff. doesn't interest me at all

i guess the defender is fine if you want more luxury but personally i'd go w/ a wrangler since this is all just a gedankenexperiment as einstein would call his thought experiments. i'd really rather have a Model Y awd plus jimny, rather than a prado

[GTcervan]

Yep, ang fugly ng j250 prado lalo na in the front. After merging lc and fjc styling cues into one, there's no executive appeal anymore unlike the j150 model.

[Walter]

Jeep also does not have a good reputation when it comes to reliability ... Yes, a Tesla Model Y and a Suzuki Jimny would be a good pair ... Would be nice if they sold the Toyota 4runner here ...

[Motortrend]

Jeep also does not have a good reputation when it comes to reliability ... Yes, a Tesla Model Y and a Suzuki Jimny would be a good pair ... Would be nice if they sold the Toyota 4runner here ...

Was never a fan of the 4runner. It looks like a Hilux with a shell over its bed (which was how it started).

[oj88]

Among the choices, I would think that the LC is still the best. It might still be worth your time to jump through all the hoops to get it, idk. Anyway, hypothetical lang naman.

Mukha nga maming gremlins ang Defender 110. It has bumper-to-bumper tech and so, it's a driver's paradise when everything is working. But it also means that there are more possible points of failure. That seems to be the gist in a lot of the reviews.

[boybi]

The LC300 is so underwhelming in everything except its nametag.

[GTcervan]

It's been four years now since it launched and it's a bit common now for something relative to its price. Also, while it has modern bells and whistles or what more, the design is nothing home to write about. But its size and nameplate still make it imposing on the roads tho.

Another alternative would be the new bronco, since the jeep looks rather agricultural. Very impressive to look at inside and out but it's a ford and only has 5-seats (if that's a factor).

[Vodka]

if you're not offroading, not towing a trailer or caravan, why buy these cars anyway? for showing off? hehe. and they're not safe either, high center of gravity makes them prone to rollovers. that's why i'd rather be daily driving a tesla or subaru. then beat the cr*p out of the jimny offroad hehe

[Walter]

Mainly for peace of mind ... given that driving in PH ... frequent floods, potholes, poor quality roads, PUVs, etc ... it's like an urban offroad adventure everyday ...

[Walter]

Ford Bronco ... removable top ... might cause issues in the future ... and it's not diesel ... as if someone who can afford a 6M vehicle will care about fuel cost ... but they do ...

Most modern cars hardly rollover ... when design properly ...

[Vodka]

Mainly for peace of mind ... given that driving in PH ... frequent floods, potholes, poor quality roads, PUVs, etc ... it's like an urban offroad adventure everyday ...

i've been driving around central luzon for decades on sedans (still drive a hatchback) and never had a problem w/ the roads so you definitely don't need a land cruiser just to get around. but i did get stuck once on a corolla, but that was offroad

Most modern cars hardly rollover ... when design properl

but they do. all the time. physics always wins i'm not talking about moose test. i'm talking about real world accidents. check out the tesla rollover tests

[oj88]

If I had the money, I'll also get an LC. Perfect retirement gift for myself.

It also makes for a good heirloom to pass down to my favorite child. lol

[GTcervan]

Mainly for peace of mind ... given that driving in PH ... frequent floods, potholes, poor quality roads, PUVs, etc ... it's like an urban offroad adventure everyday ...

Hard to imagine something as expensive as this one getting used daily for that purpose, even if it's known to be so capable... But in the end, still your car, your rules tho...

[Dr.Kamiya]

Hard to imagine something as expensive as this one getting used daily for that purpose, even if it's known to be so capable... But in the end, still your car, your rules tho...

There are so many people dailying LCs.
If you check second hand market daming high mileage examples. 10 year old ones (2015) are at around 60k kms na, older than that and the cars are at 80-100k kms.
As mentioned in another thread my friend's was at 400k na a few weeks ago.

[carxynogen]

Hard to imagine something as expensive as this one getting used daily for that purpose, even if it's known to be so capable... But in the end, still your car, your rules tho...

Dami ko ngang nakikitang LC sa daily commute ko.
Bihira yung mga Land Rover

[GTcervan]

There are so many people dailying LCs.
If you check second hand market daming high mileage examples. 10 year old ones (2015) are at around 60k kms na, older than that and the cars are at 80-100k kms.
As mentioned in another thread my friend's was at 400k na a few weeks ago.

Yeah. Tbh, kaya naman. It's just that if used daily it could mean parking, weaving in and out of traffic or navigating in the city thru tight streets can be quite a chore. Pano ang laki kasi for the local roads imo. Pero winner if used for off-roads or long, provincial trips. Like baguio, etc. Pero despite that, they may have their own drivers with them too. So for them, it might not be a hassle at all.

[dr. d]

one is always a winner, if one had a chauffeur doing the driving.